Windows 9 Technical Preview screenshots leaked

You quoted me talking about my experiences. I never mentioned other people. If you want me to test my conclusions.. uh.. ok..

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Still works for me.

 

"TANWare
I have to ask, for any of the shown tiles, why do I need the space of an entire tile just for those items? I mean with those specific tiles and the way they are, who are you trying to attract?"

Seems pretty obvious to me:

Tile 1 : This PC : user turns on PC
Tile 2 : RUN : user turns and runs
Tile 3 : Control panel : user returns and attempts to fix computer using control panel
Tile 4 : Help and Support : user fails and turns to help
Tile 5 : Command Prompt : Help fails; User decides to use the improved GUI of the command prompt from now on

need further explanation?

Edit oh I forgot your final question: clearly they are trying to attract people that like the command prompt UI.

Double edit: Bolded for clarity for those not realizing its a joke.

 

The question you answered is not the question that was asked.

 

No, since you don't obviously read the news or stories I can only surmise your out of the loop not listening to real world facts instead of hitting the koolaid harder and harder...like a addictions you can't break to see what is happening around you.

 

Like a addictions that can't see or open their eye around them and seeing Windows 8 is a flop on the floor being mopped up by Windows 7 itself...

 

You cannot be serious. Please tell me you're not serious. Please. Please. PLEASE.

 

Apparently there are a few using Windows 8, satisfaction in use is subjective to each individual. The rub is are they more satisfied with Windows 8 than with Windows 7? Now there may be a few of those users too but of the mast majority of PC users this would be a huge minority. Now the problem is the free market. If you want consumers to buy into the new and improved product then it truly needs not only to be new but improved.

Do you think if Coke would have mixed 50% of the old formula along with 50% of the new one that was failing and said we are listening that it would have succeeded? No they wanted the old taste back. While this analogy is a bit flawed as those consumers wanted no change at all, it is only to prove a point.

My point is during the beta the best balance of feature sets was plainly obvious. There was no doubt the direction pre release that Windows 8 was heading toward being a success. Then the about face and slap to the loyal consumers face. Even after all this time there are hurt feelings. More importantly there is a mistrust and loss of hope for a proper UI.

Another disturbing fact is current progress of Windows 8. While they are forcing new versions down users throats and it is improvements what if the reverse were true? Say Windows 9 or 10 is a great success and is even better that the Windows 8 beta. What is to then stop the company from releasing 10.1 or 10.2 with feature sets more related to metro and looking like Windows 8? Look at the track record, are they supporting 8 without the upgrade to 8.1 for those with compatibility or other issues? I'll apologize but at this point I no longer trust M$!

 

So if Windows 8 is so great....why is M$ giving away windows 9 for free.....hmmmmmmmm

Windows 9 will be free to Windows 8 owners, according to report | PC Gamer

 

My issue here is the automatic update. Does this mean not only 8.0 has lost support but now 8.1 will loose support to Windows 9. What if there are issues for compatibility of either hardware or software or even other issues preventing, or not wanting, the upgrade.

I think forcing the upgrade though will at least get rid the horror of Windows 8 for the company. Forced upgrade though could make the stigma transfer right to Windows 9 without giving it a chance to make a name for itself. This could either be a good or bad thing, IMHO the prior.

 

Windows technical preview build numbers and everything else you need to know

Windows technical preview build numbers and everything else you need to know - Neowin

 

Because it's not great for everyone?

 

Remember too at one time Windows 8 was a what, $15 upgrade. It's not anymore. Win9 may only be a free upgrade temporarily.

 

What about those DRM rumors? Was scrolling through som web pages and could not find any relevant info, Did found that they released a new app for google play https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.msa.authenticator 15.9.2014
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but would be great i think if they made it so you could log in and activate/deactivate systems as described in WAN show:Linustechtips:thumbsup:

Any thoughts?

 

Microsoft's Windows 9 event - 9/30/14 #1



Overview

Where: San Francisco
When: September 30th 10 a.m. PDT (see what time this is in your timezone)
Presenter: Microsoft executives


Where to follow online
Text/Photos

TWiT Live
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Important Links for after the event (thanks to neowin.net)
(Some of the links aren't live right now or are incomplete)

W indows Technical Preview for Enterprise
T echNet Evaluation Center
Windows Insider

joe-belfiorewindows-10.jpgJoe Belfiore, Microsoft's corporate VP of operating systems, gives a live demo of Windows 10 onstage at an press event in San Francisco, Calif. on Tuesday. Nick Statt/CNET

SAN FRANCISCO -- Microsoft unveiled its new operating system, Windows 10, onstage at a press event in San Francisco, Calif. Tuesday.

Originally codenamed Windows Threshold, the new operating system essentially does away with the tiled "Metro" user interface that Microsoft attempted to implement across its entire device line, from desktops to Surface tablets and Widows Phone devices. It is such a substantial leap, says Microsoft's executive VP of operating systems, Terry Myerson, that the company insisted on skipping over Windows 9 when transitioning from 2012's Windows 8.

"Windows 10 will run on the broadest amount of devices. A tailored experience for each device," Myerson said. "There will be one way to write a universal application, one store, one way for apps to be discovered purchased and updated across all of these devices."

Taking the stage, Microsoft's Joe Belfiore, corporate VP of operating systems and the current public face of Windows and Windows Phone design and development, gave attendees a live demo of an early build of Windows 10. Belfiore, too, is insistent on the leap to Windows 10.

"We want all these Windows 7 users to have the sentiment that yesterday they were driving a first-generation Prius," he said, "and now with Windows 10 it's like we got them a Tesla."

This story is developing...

Microsoft jumps to Windows 10 - CNET

 

Ahhhhhhhhh

 

Windows 8 was so bad it killed windows 9 in the programming womb.

 

Look at this d00d! LOL! He sounds like one of those scamware app advertisers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NI5fjTfpQ

he says "it's like downloading unfinished software"......ROFL! just like Windows 8......it was never finished......

I hate that new Start Menu, half of it is fine.....then the other half on the right is full of crapware metro.....

 

What really worries me is that every other iteration from microsoft is the good one. So windows 9 was going to be awesome. So is M$ now just skipping the good versions of windows?

 

hmm better analogy if Windows 7 was a Honda Accord, then windows 10 will be a Honda accord with a big spoiler and racing Stripes. No they are not optional YOU WANT THEM!!!! we decided for you.

 

I posted this in the Winbenten thread, but perhaps you all can help me as well

Is anyone else besides me concerned that a company with a market cap of ~$375 BILLION, whose software runs things like nuclear silos, can't count correctly to 10? Will they skip the number 9 in all future countdowns? Are they going after the number 6 next? After all, it's just 9 upside down. Other questions I have -

Do microsoft executives only play 8 holes of golf?

Do cats living in Redmond now only have 8 lives?

Can there now only be one more official Wonder of the World?

Will Microsoft employees still be able to pick up a spare while bowling?

Are Redmond police giving up their canines to form K-10 units?

 

No I'm not CONCERNED in ALL CAPS about the name they chose for a product, regardless of their market cap, even if I think it's a dumb name.

 

I think I am concerned (no caps though) that someone let the joke fly over his head.

The most important part will be that Windows 9/10, 2015, all-in-one, or super-double-awesome-extra-wonderful actually delivers.

 

My guess is they are trying to avoid in the future having to do a 69.☺

 

I just didn't think it was funny enough to warrant being as long as it was, reposting it in multiple separate threads, with all-caps shouting, etc.

 

Maybe so it falls inline with their previous product trend?

Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One

Windows 1.0, Windows 8, Windows 10

 

Wait... Wait...

Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.1.7601

I don't think it really matters anymore. The Access DB community gave them lots of feedback that the devs said they wanted in order to improve... What happened? Absolutely nothing was fixed and some features were removed. This is called progress my friends. Fun isn't it!!!

 

Your sequence is wrong and makes little to no sense, since it does not distinguish between the old DOS/Windows versus Windows NT branches (which were running in parallel for many years, until the DOS-based stuff was terminated after Windows ME), but of course your general point is somewhat valid. Still, staying with a sequencing designation but then suddenly skipping a number in the sequence is odd. Plus, then we have a rationale given for that decision that appears ludicrous on the face of it...

 

Indrek is quoting the product names that MS have come up with in the past, nothing else. MS makes little to no sense here, not Indrek.

 

Someone on the Internet made a very interesting post:

 

He left out the Windows NT series. In reality, things went like this:

Windows 1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0 - 3.1 - 3.11 - 95 - 98 - 98 SE - ME
Windows NT 3.1 - 3.5 - 4.0 - 2000 - XP - Vista - 7 - 8

There were good reasons for some of the name changes. But yes, not for all.

 

I dunno, feels like a "Half-Life 3 confirmed" post to me. After all, if Windows 7 is "7" because of NT 6.1, then isn't Windows XP also Windows 7? Windows NT 5.2, after all...

 

Windows 8/9/10 - The OS SO BAD that it was an april fools day joke to begin with

Microsoft skips 'too good' Windows 9, jumps to Windows 10 | InfoWorld

 

Yeah, shame on him. He only mentioned the consumer versions, but that's obvious.

Or, he left out the server versions, or the Itanium versions. Who cares.

 

No, he didn't. Can you spot the non-consumer versions he listed? This is fun! Or is it not?

 

Perhaps so if you look at the entire lineup, but I'd say within each "local cluster" there does appear to be some micro order (ha) eg Win 1.0-3.1; 95, 98, ME.

XP and Vista are indeed the odd ones out, but then came 7, followed by 8, so I'd say it's not entirely illogical to expect the next version to be called Windows 9, given the last 2 were assigned a numeric value instead of a name, and the upcoming Windows seems to be continuing the trend of using numbers instead of names. Only M$ decided to call it Windows 10, so it does seem as if they skipped number when you look to the last 2 versions.

 

Wasn't the joke that Windows 10 is Windows 8.2? I'm personally of the opinion Microsoft would've named it anything but Windows 8.2 to distance the upcoming release from Windows 8.

Anyway, my point was simply Microsoft started naming Windows with sequential numbers starting with 7, and then all of a sudden decides to just skip 8.2/9 willy nilly, and that is illogical. But of course since the "MS has never been logical" argument has been thrown around way too much in this thread, I'm just going to leave it at that.

 

For the record:
- I did say that your general point was valid.
- The rationale given that this new release is so "huge" that they had to advance the version number by 2 is ludicrous on the face of it.
- I have not seen anyone suggesting an inability to count.

Other than that, turning this into a protracted discussion is silly, yes...

 

I still find it hard to grasp that in this world there are people who will rage, and scream, and slam their fists on the table, and sweat profusely, and bite their lip until it bleeds, because a company, a year from now, will release an iteration of software, and they will skip a number in the process.

That is the most severe thing these people have in their lives. Middle east? No. Gun control? No. Immigration? No. Health care? F No. SOME COMPANY DIDN'T USE EVERY NUMBER AVAILABLE TO THEM!!!

 

If you really want a reason to go all Unabomber, Intel never released an "i1" or an "i2" or an "i4" or an "i6" or "i8" or "i9"

 

Way too much argument on something which really doesn't matter...

Most of the people making comments on the lack of 9 are having fun at Microsoft's expense. (it is silly...)
I don't think I have seen any serious comments on how they think its the end of the world.

The reaction from the fanbois is entertaining too, (no one should ever say anything bad about Microsoft ever apparently) but I just thought I'd remind them that the sane people are actually trying Windows 10 and don't care if Microsoft named it Windows-Over-9000.

 

It's basically what you say later on in your post. There is currently no indication at all that the new Windows 10 is more than Windows 8.2: We have a .1 bump in the kernel revision, some trivial little tweaks, a reversion back to functionality that existed in Windows 7 (hmm, now that I think of it, someone should advocate going to version number 7.5 for this new Windows version ), and absolutely nothing new of any substance. While you can of course always speculate that there's some "huge" changes coming that just haven't been announced, I think it would be extremely surprising to see such changes, with Microsoft not even giving the slightest hint of such at this event. Just find me one example where something like that has ever happened.

Practically speaking, with a release date sometime in the middle of 2015, there isn't even enough time for anything huge. Let's just wait and see what happens, and this discussion really isn't very productive since it's all speculation at the end. However I do indeed feel that expecting anything "huge" and unexpected to happen between now and the release of Windows 10 would be unrealistic in the extreme.

Well, yeah; some posts I don't read that closely... But, point taken.

I agree. I really don't care what the number is. What I do care about is the discrepancy between them talking about "huge" changes versus them, as far as I have seen by now, not delivering, nor planning to deliver, anything of that sort.

This is in contrast to the huge changes that indeed would be possible and desirable: WinFS with a full integration of the capabilities offered by filesystem constructs that already exist in NTFS, vector-based desktop graphics foundation (which would take care of DPI issues once and for all), hardware profiles (that were killed after Windows XP, I believe), location profiles (now that would be huge for many professionals: have Windows recognize its network environment, and automatically adjust configuration - default printers, networks, network drives, etc.- accordingly), meaningful and functional cloud storage integration (no, not this eternally half-broken One Drive crap), vastly improved multi-monitor support, fully remotable display/input devices similar to what X-Windows has always done, further reduction in the need for re-boots for updates, and on and on.

There are so many real advances that are possible; advances, moreover, that Microsoft had seriously considered in the old days (when they were working on what then was called Longhorn), that seem to have been either shelved or abandoned entirely. Instead they put work into all sorts of trivial and borderline useless garbage, and the general public that doesn't know any better even swallows that kind of BS as a revelation.

It's really pitiful to watch for those of us who have seen the past, and where it once appeared to have been headed.

 

We have a winner!

Trust me I couldn't care less what Microsoft called the next Windows, if they called it Windows 9001 all the better.

 

This is their problem failed and more failed...promised and then dumbed down..that is how M$ is going now days no more innovations or true updates...but pushing their so called Metro Apps store that is the basics of why the are scrambling to give it out for free to get people to go to their Apps store of which most would dump in a heart beat. M$ needs to go back to basics and remember what got them where they were the Customers whom wanted a Windows O/S to work...not break their systems.

 

So before this thread gets locked to oblivion, either by me or another mode, here's the only way that it will stay open. Stop it with the attacks, it's slowly degenerating like pretty much every Windows thread that we've had since the windows 8 threads started. You've all shown to be capable of calm discussions multiple times, so try to stick to that. If something riles you up, take a few minutes to calm down before posting.

 

I miss the days when people actually discussed different O/S's rather than a particular flavor of Windows.

 

Just to be clear, was that in the Windows OS subforum?

 

Thats right. It seems some users here expect them to clone Windows 7 with a new kernel. Thats certainly not going to happen (and would be futile to do, since Windows 7 already exists).

Windows 10 is far away from being final, is pointless to discuss now if Windows 10 will be worth an upgrade from any older Windows or not.

The real point of the Windows 10 announcement wasn´t the new start menu, it was the annoucement of Microsofts new development style for Windows (which is based on feedback).

 

I am certainly not one of these "users here", as I have made amply clear.

I have listed some of the things that I would count towards a "huge" advance and, yes, I am certainly pessimistic regarding any of this even being contemplated. My guess is that you would agree. Notice that the kinds of things I listed could hardly be called "concessions". Those features I listed are really entirely unrelated to my Windows 8 criticism. I consider them substantial and necessary foundational advances for a next-generation Windows. Instead, all that was mentioned so far are trivial little tweaks.

Single platform? Certainly nice, for Microsoft, for a whole host of reasons, but not something that does a whole lot for the current PC Windows platform. Mind you, I didn't say it does nothing, but I think the impact on someone who has no interest in other Windows devices (phones, specifically) will be minimal. Since just about nobody has a Windows phone, that's a pretty big slice of the market here.

 

How the heck can they just skip numbers like that!?
The only thing I like about this OS so far is its built-in virtual desktop feature. I hope ppl make this feature for Window 7.
I also wish that you could horizontally scroll the desktop and have panoramic wallpaper (with scrolling distance being the length of the wallpaper) similar to Desktop360.

 

Yeah, sometimes I lose track of who said what and why myself. Briefly, there's two things you need to keep apart as far as my responses are concerned:
- One is the kind of things that I believe should be in a new Windows release that truly deserves the kinds of superlatives that Microsoft has been throwing around as part of the justification for the jump by two version numbers. They are things I would really like to see, but they are clearly relatively far forward looking.
- The other is the changes that I feel need to be made just to turn Windows 8 from the abomination it is to something that is at least palatable. Some of the items you mention above are in this latter class. By the way, I don't care whether or not there is a WinRT subsystem, or whether or not there is a Metro UI, as long as I am not forced to see it. Aero would be really, really good to have back, but that one is probably at the bottom of my list of priorities.

I think I have demonstrated before that OneDrive really is unsuitable for serious use at this point. It's fine if all you sync is a handful of files; if you are syncing tens of thousands of files, it's completely unusable.

Multi-monitor support has improved, yes, but still has a long way to go.

I stand by my description of the changes when comparing Windows 10 to Windows 7: A Start Menu that offers no real advantage over the one we already had in Windows 7 (if you wanted the functionality of Live Tiles, you could have just used desktop gadgets in Windows 7). The aesthetic changes are trivial, and I would argue, in fact, counterproductive. My assessment is not based on a comparison with what I would have liked, but on the functionality that is carried by those changes. That functionality is, overall, pretty much zero (some slight plusses, negated by minuses). Search capabilities are objectively much, much worse in Windows 8+ than they were in Windows 7, unless you really are looking for cute kittens on Bing.

And the integrity of information on a mission-critical business laptop is arguably much, much better guarded if you have persistent shadow copies that are on the single volume you have available on that machine. We are talking about information here that can be worth very, very large amounts of money (or time, which is the same thing) in some important scenarios, and to take this safeguard away borders on criminal idiocy.

So, sure, some people don't care much about these things, but some do. Not at least having the capabilities available is what's at issue here.

I don't disagree. Yes, Microsoft really needs to do this. But first they need to make sure that what in many respects is their main platform remains viable and productive for a crucial part of their customer base. What needs to be understood is that once Microsoft loses customers like me and my colleagues who work at similar levels, they have lost almost everything that distinguishes them from other platforms. At that point, all that remains is inertia, and we have witnessed how fast inertia has been overcome in other portions of the computing landscape.