Windows Vista possibly delayed AGAIN...

It appears that Microsoft might have done it again! Read this for details:
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/07/27/ballmer_prepares_analysts_for_vista_delay/

I certainly hope that this is not the case, but this article is the first solid evidence that I have heard that Vista might be delayed AGAIN until as late as 2H '07.

If this is the case, I certainly will not be upgrading to Vista until probably 2H '09. But then again, delays might be inevitable. Sigh...why can't they get it right?

Has anyone else heard similar rumors?

 

This seems long overdue. XP came out in what, 2001? We've had it for 5 years now while the period from 1995-2000 saw 4 OS's (Windows 95, 98, ME and 2000).

 

Vista is looking more and more like a bust. Not that they are trying to draw even with Apple in features, I don't think they care too much, but Leopard shoud ship end of this year or beginning of next. Vista matches many features in Tiger, but Leopard will add more. I think the problem is Windows hass to much market share. They cannot just release an OS like Apple can. They have to make sure it works with nearly every piece of software for the last 7 or 8 years. Otherwise, their most important customers, businesses, are not happy and won't upgrade. It is this legacy software that makes them too big and bulky, and the main reason they are as insecure as they are.

 

id rather wait 5-6 months for a os i dont particularly need then have one that has a plethora of problems the more time they spend in development the better. i can't wait either though plenty of new features in new microsoft applications like word and money and a nifty looking interface

 

The last time I checked out Vista (Beta 2), I decided to uninstal it less than four hours later. Every build since the public release of Beta 2 has only been given to a select group of developers.

Seems like to me that Microsoft does not want us to see the latest build, maybe because they are afraid of another potential backlash from the public, or maybe because these newer builds are just as bad as the Beta 2.

Regardless, Vista has recieved so much attention in recent months that Microsoft knows they have to get it right the first time. If it is bad at first, no one will consider buying any time soon. If it bombs on launch, I might not even upgrade to Vista PERIOD...regardless of if Service Pack 31 comes out in 2010.

My girlfriend put it very nicely when she heard about this article: MAYBE Vista will come out by the time we graduate. Hehehe, and we graduate from college in May of 2009. She was dead serious about that MAYBE too!

 

Meh. Microsoft know they can take their time. Well, up to a point. It's not like the masses will go to Mac. I'm a PC gamer aren't I?

Funny thing is, when it's eventually released, it'll be riddled with bugs, and due a service pack a couple month later So do we Windows users want a small delay or big delay?

 

Maybe Microsoft should give up on beta testing and announcing dates for software or product releases. Seems like it only ever sets up people and analysts for dissapointment. Apple *never* announces dates for product releases or software, it's all based on rumor. Then there's no pie in the face when the date comes and goes for an expected product release, the rumor hounds are just made fun of. The pie is only in Microsofts face if Vista is delayed again. Although, if it is delayed again, I figure people will just give up on waiting for it and eliminate it in any purchase decision and be content with XP for now.

 

wait so what does this do to 64bit computing?
the new Processors: Turion x2 and merom need a 64bit os to fully utilize their capabilities, right?

if vista isn't released for another year or 2, there no point in getting a 64 bit computer?

 

Err 64bit XP is out now, but without the software, a 64bit OS and component(s) is kinda pointless Calm down It's not like 32bit support will be pulled as soon as Vista is out. 64bit software won't be commonplace for several years

I mean a couple week ago Windows 98 support was pulled and Microsoft advised the something like 70 million people worldwide to upgrade?

I'm not really bothered about Vista just yet. No point until the inevitable servicce pack comes out before getting it. That's just me though. Directx 9 will still be supported initially even with the changeover to directx 10. I think only Microsoft shareholders are worried by Vista delays

 

I just hope it doesn't become a resource hog.

 

haha.. actually the delays are making me feel better about purchasing a 32bit processor and recommanding my friend to get a core duo instead of a turion...

 

Well...lets see what features Vista has and what they are good for. Maybe then some of us can decide how long to wait.

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DirectX10...useless for notebook gamers (or non-gamers) at least until 2nd gen cards are out.

SuperFetch, ReadyBoost, etc...great way to burn through those USB drives!

Hybrid HDD...great for introducing not so well known concepts (embedded flash) that might make a stable technology again an unknown one with a possibly limited lifespan.

Increased security on the kernel and OS...probably not, as a lot of the code was re-written.

IE7 (with increased security in Vista)...Microsoft has little idea what security is and I for one will never switch back to IE.

Improved networking stack...substitute the term: NEWLY coded and untested network stack.

Improved audio stack...hmmmm, and all it is really good for is per-application volume? Hey, that is why notebooks have a VOLUME CONTROL either in the OS or buttons on the notebook. Little improvement, and I have my doubts given it is AGAIN UNTESTED CODE.

Improved OS...improved resource hog. I seriously hope that Microsoft can lower how much RAM and resources Vista sucks away BEFORE release.

Improved experience...lower notebook battery life. Hmmm...kind of defeats the purpose. NO experience when that battery dies!
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I will upgrade to Vista if and only if I am forced to, or Microsoft fixes the above issues.

I now get off my soap box.

 

look at the issues 95, 98, and ME had. 2000 was decent, and XP works. Better they get Vista right than have lots of issues at launch.

 

Every new release of windows has been considered a resource hog when it came out.

I remember the jokes about the "95" in windows 95

Top Ten Things the 95 in Windows 95 Really Stands For
10. The year it was due to ship.
9. The number of floppies it will ship on.
8. The percentage of people who will have to upgrade their hardware.
7. The number of megabytes of hard disk space required.
6. The number of pages in the EASY-INSTALL version of the manual.
5. The percentage of Windows programs that won't run in the new OS.
4. The number of minutes it takes to install.
3. The number of calls to tech support required to get it to run.
2. The number of seconds before it crashes.
And now for number one:
1. The number of people who will actually pay for the upgrade

Those jokes were funny then because they kind of seemed insane

A whole 95 megs to install?

 

HAHAHAHA. I never heard of those 95. Pretty cool

 

no way. you havent heard of windows 95?!

 

^ The jokes, not the OS '95

Re batt life concerns...aren't Toshiba hoping to release those new fuel cells next year or 2008?

Obviously you'd hope by then they'd have got thee size down

 

I can't believe they used an excuse like being a "multicore" company as an excuse. They NEED to focus on Vista and forget about their lil Zune project (which will probably be a bust). Their next priority should be getting their new office software out...and then Zune (i guess).

 

As I understand it it's the Xbox dep that are in charge of Zune? Or at least the Xbox chief? At least the marketing dep have it right for Zune

I think with Windows it's become one huge ugly mess. Billy at one time checked each line of code personally. OK, it had to get too big eventually but...And all the security holes. News today that IE7 will be a "priority update" in late 2006. So what Microsoft? We're not meant to use the internet until then? I predict Vista to have more security holes than XP and a sieve combined. But if game developers don't move, I'm married to Windows. Quite unfortunate that for the competition isn't it?

 

Ha, frankly I am not surprised at all...if this rumor becomes real or that Vista is a longish work in progress. I too un-installed Beta2 after a couple of nights working with it. It broke too many things and no drivers to fix what was broken. It seemed to be a big resource hog on a PM 2.0 with a X700 dedicated video card on a ASUS V6Va and 2GB of RAM. So much for a "tweaked" looking XP mutant. I for one don't care now. Let them sit on it for another year or two while it grows or shrinks like a rotten egg!

 

your statement contradicts your explanation. I think because MS cares, that's why they rather spend more time to make sure the new OP will be compatible with as many as hardware/softwares possible.

 

the delaying of Vista just shows the massive problems they are having with it. I have Vista Beta 2, apart from its UI it aint worth it. I'll wait until they release Vista SP2 before I but it

 

It is a hog! I run it on 512MB of RAM and it was taking up 80% of that when "idling". Vista gave my PC a rating of 1 (1 being the lowest). At the time I had a HPzv6000 with AMD 2Ghz, 60GB, Express 200m...

i think Vista is gonna run best on a dual core, +1GB, Ati

 

Uhh.. MS is not trying to make it compatible with everything because they care, they do it because businesses won't upgrade otherwise. Without business upgrades MS does not have the money they have. They NEED businesses to upgrade. Consumers don't upgrade, they just use what they PC came with, they don't really care what the heck it is, and as such MS does not really care about them.

 

Uhh.. MS knows that businesses won't upgrade if they don't make it compatible, that's why they care.

Chicken and the egg anyone?

 

Well it has been 5 years since the last OS. I think businesses would be more willing to upgrade the OS, rather more than for Office stuff, etc *cough* college still use Office 2003 *cough*

Another thing. Microsoft are making a big thing of Vista's security. Microsoft wouldn't know security if it bit them on the....IE7 a priority security update Q4 '06 anyone?

What would be interesting is if Jobs got game developers on board. I mean they don't even need to have 80 different GPUs like for Windows. Currently Mac laptops have integrated and the Pro with an X1600. Add another better GPU and they'd have a 3 tier gaming system? I'm just saying as how many only stay on Windows for the games? I do. I mean it's not like we can't do everything else on a Mac*

*Rambling (that's the whole last paragraph not last sentence )...may be rubbish

 

In my town...a movie theatre is bein built, and they said it was due in the summer of 06, and that is just about passed, and its nowhere near finished. I think the new date is sometime in 07...sounds kinda like Microsoft...

 

@ above, I can beat that!

Wembley Stadium in London was meant to be completed in Autumn 2005. It is still being built, hundreds of millions over budget, and no guarantee it'll hold the FA Cup Final 2007 in May (soccer yanks)

I hope the world don't mind the Olympics being held on concrete runways

 

um well lets look at the boston big dig.

 

that all great but isnt "crysis" waiting on vista to be released? i tought i read that somewhere

 

I'm starting to appreciate more and more my decision of NOT waiting for merom and windows vista. If you need something now, buy it now and don't wait for later. Why gamble on something that has been tried and tested to work (windows xp) and go and dive into an unchartered region (vista). Just wait, relax, have a beer and let the geographers (pawns) do all the dirty stuff. Wait till a new attraction shows is built (sp1) and then pay and enjoy ride.

 

@ above, quite right

Although XP itself imo didn't get there until a service pack or two

I got big doubts about Vista. Major code rewrote for "better security"