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    best paid defrag tool

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by bin, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. bin

    bin Notebook Consultant

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    Hello,
    Can anyone recommend any good defrag tools that are not free?
    Thanks.
     
  2. fonduekid

    fonduekid JSUTAONHTERBIRCKINTEHWLAL

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    why would you want to pay for one, when there are already so many wonderful one' for free? and they do the same job anyways, jkdefrag for example.. plus the vista built-in defrag is just as good as well, albeit a bit slower...
     
  3. WarlordOne

    WarlordOne Notebook Evangelist

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    Window Disk Defragmenter has been shown to perform as good or better than any other defragmenter availible.

    That said, I use IOBit SmartDefrag to defrag in the background when my PC is idle. That way Windows Disk Defragmenter can work more efficiently during it's weekly scheduled defrag. Think of it as preventative maintainence.
     
  4. livesoft

    livesoft BUSTED

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    Diskeeper would be a good defragger and is really expensive (new version each year) :D
     
  5. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

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    Try PerfectDisk. It does offline disk defragmenting to take care of system files that can't be moved while the OS is running. Otherwise, the built in Vista defrag along with a task scheduled should suffice.
     
  6. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Defragmenting HDDs can be "dangrous".

    O&O messed up soemthing on an XP computer - thnkfully WiseCleaner (free version, old one too) managed to sort it with a registry fix.

    And on my Vaio with Vista I managed to corrupt WIndows files doing to much while defragmenting.

    The key thing though is, that Windows defragmentation knows which files are system files.
    Unless you can name a very good reason it may be best to stick with the Windows Defragmentation, also for the safety of your files.
     
  7. fonduekid

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    Depends on what defrag tool you use.

    JkDefrag, for example, is the same as windows builtin defrag..
    And I know many who use this, including me, and no one has really reported major screwup'... so I wouldn't say defrag'ing is *dangerous* per se...
     
  8. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Well, I said can and used these "".

    The thing is - if you use a bad defragmentation tool it can corrupt your file.
    If you disturb a good one it can mess up your files.

    If its based on the Windows system its possibly good in terms of "safe use".

    But I would say, unless you can name a very good reaon for not using the Windows tool (on your C drive or whichever drive contains your Windows version) don't do it.
    If you used something else wihout problems - fine.

    Also: Installing a lot of software slows computers down, also because the registry grows, and even the best registry cleaners won't tidy up completely.
     
  9. stewie

    stewie What the deuce?

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    Don't waste your money, just stick with the Windows built-in one. So far, none of the 3rd party defragmenters has shown any proof or benchmark that it can make your system perform better than the Windows one can.
     
  10. swarmer

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    I'm with Stewie on this one.

    The best paid defrag program is the one that costs the least, so you've wasted less money. ;)

    I have seen benchmarks showing 3rd party defraggers making the computer perform worse than the built-in program... but I have yet to see any showing that any have made the computer perform better than the built-in defrag program. I can't say with certainty that none are better, but until someone proves it with benchmarks, I'm not wasting my time or money on them.
     
  11. livesoft

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    Agreed, Windows Defragger does the job :)
     
  12. jibberjabbers

    jibberjabbers Notebook Geek

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    Windows defrag does the job fine, but it only allows you to defrag 1 drive or 1 partition at a time. Diskeeper lets you defrag 2 or more.
     
  13. swarmer

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    eh?

    With the built-in defrag program, running "defrag -c" defragments all the drives/partitions.

    Or in the defrag GUI (in Vista)... just click "Select volumes..." and you can select all the drives or as many as you want.
     
  14. jibberjabbers

    jibberjabbers Notebook Geek

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    Sorry, I was referring to XP. You can only do 1 defrag at a time. Never tried it in Vista. So vista allows you to defrag multiple drives?
     
  15. swarmer

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    Well, you can do multiple drives with one click or one command.

    I'm not actually sure whether it does the actual defragging simultaneously or sequentially... I haven't tested.

    I think XP has the option too though... run "defrag /?" at look at the -c option.

    EDIT: Woops... looks like XP's defrag doesn't have that option: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283080
    But yeah, Vista has it.
     
  16. jibberjabbers

    jibberjabbers Notebook Geek

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    Well, I tried it and it game me a message that only 1 drive can be defragmented at a time.
     
  17. swarmer

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    You tried it in XP?
     
  18. swarmer

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    Here's the Vista GUI screenshot where you select the drives (attached).

    So yeah I guess it's just a Vista thing. So in XP I guess that's a good reason to use another defrag program.
     

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  19. jibberjabbers

    jibberjabbers Notebook Geek

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    Yes, in XP, only 1 drive at a time.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. swarmer

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    Well... I was kinda bummed that Vista doesn't have the defrag graph with the colored bars that XP has... but now I don't feel so bad. ;)
     
  21. livesoft

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    JKDefrag FTW :p
     
  22. stewie

    stewie What the deuce?

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    Defragging multiple partitions at the same time on the same drive, I'm don't think that's a good idea, I believe it will put more stress on the HDD than it already has. You would want them to be done one after another. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.
     
  23. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    As far as I'm aware Vista dfrags one drive after the other.

    With SP1 it tells you which drive its working on.
     
  24. Andromeda

    Andromeda Notebook Consultant

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    Diskeeper 2008 pro FTW. :D
     
  25. j-dogg

    j-dogg Notebook Evangelist

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    how did you get those options when ever i open the program the only options i have are to select my schedule
     
  26. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You need Servie Pack 1
     
  27. Quimbos

    Quimbos Notebook Enthusiast

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    The only drawback to using free defrag programs from my experience has been that most of them don't have the ability to defrag the MFT.

    About a year ago I was setting up for a dual boot and had cleared like 70 GB of space for an XP installation. However, when I tried to shrink my main partition I could only aquire like 100MB of space. I discovered that it was because the MFT was set up at the very end of the disk. I went through a bunch of defraggers and none of them seemed capable of willing to move this MFT to the end of the used space. In the end I downloaded a trial of Diskeeper (which by the seemed like a quality but expensive program) and was able to move MFT and create a 10GB partition.

    Conclusion: the paid defragger was more capable... but I didn't have to pay anything to get what I needed done... so for every day use I woud recommended a free one.

    You could try one of the programs listed in Calvin's free software for windows thread.

    Cheers,

    Quimbos

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=206289
     
  28. j-dogg

    j-dogg Notebook Evangelist

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    ahh ok thanks. Wondered why i didn't have it. I never got the sp1 in my auto updates because of some driver problem.
     
  29. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    or because you manufacturer messed up.
    it doesn't show up in my sony either
     
  30. j-dogg

    j-dogg Notebook Evangelist

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    Im pretty sure it was a drive issue. I remember checking the problematic drivers list and i have one on both my PC and my laptop. Vista runs fine so i really haven't been in a rush to fix it
     
  31. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Point though?
    Does it matter?
    Not really.

    So currently, back to the thread.

    Viata can dfragment all drives in one task, one after the other.
    To chose individual drives, you need to instal Service Pack 1.

    That's it.
     
  32. SYS

    SYS Notebook Guru

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    I use the CCleaner brand for defragment, I believe the name is called Defragger
     
  33. ougijoe

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    Defraggler is what you're referring to, and it's a great program.
     
  34. Thaenatos

    Thaenatos Zero Cool

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    defrag.exe c: -f

    :end if
     
  35. dr3w

    dr3w Notebook Guru

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    PerfectDisk 2008 does a very good job for me... :)
     
  36. grbac

    grbac Notebook Deity

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    None of these defrag-software will improve your notebook very much except that loading of the files, applications and start of Windows will be faster(maybe)(just a little bit). for faster start up best tool is Microsoft Bootvis.

    Dunno if Vistadefrag is any better than XP. Basically it just puts files in one place(almost) and at the start of the disk.
    The ones that you have to pay for like Diskeeper and PerfectDisk have some extra features like organizing folders in one place(on the HDD), derfag MFT table(as already mentioned), monitoring which files are more offtenly used and then placing them to the front of HDD, automatic defragmentation in the background...

    If any of you guys are using Windows Live Messenger , it will make your Usn Jrnl file in many fragments and the only software that can deal with this is PerefectDisk. It does that while booting Windows.

    I use Diskeeper just to keep the system in shape. For performance gains use overclocking.