i'm about to pull all my hair out. i can't take it.

hi. the biggest reason why i dropped $2500 on a new laptop was so it would be fast and snappier than my dell inspiron 9300 centrino solo 2.0 with 1 gb of ram.

i was SO excited when i got my new laptop a day ago. it is a T7700 core duo 2.4 with 2 gb of ram and a 7200 rpm HD.

so now i just don't understand why, oh gawd why, is my outlook 2007 not snappier and faster? i'm also running vista.

please tell me that my new laptop isn't broken or something is wrong with it because i still experience lag and delay with microsoft outlook 2007 when use it. like clicking from one email to the next or closing it or opening it.

i am so fustrated. it was a huge investment to buy this laptop and i just want to make sure it isn't broken and that maybe it has something to do with office 2007 / outlook 2007 instead.

 

Perhaps it is time for you to study the Vista tweaks thread.

And if you have Symantec or McAfee anti-virus then it may be time to try a less bloated free alternative.

John

 

thanks john for the reply. i will look at that thread right now. just for the record, it is a completely clean install, with actually no virus protection right now (1 day fresh install).

I just thought there would be remarkable performance from a notebook nearly two generations newer than my old one.

 

I've noticed that Office 2007 is way slower than Office 2003.

It could be that your old system was just tweaked well so it was fast.

 

Well first thing I would do is clean all of the Pre-installed crap out of your system, stop unwanted services, and get a lite AV like Avast or AVG.

You need uninstall what you don't need, and take a look at the Links within the Sticky of "Windows OS and Software". The first link within the sticky should prove most valuable to you at the moment.

 

haa. You flatter me

I was thr only owner of my old system and didnt tweak it. I did notice outlook does run slower in 2007.

Is there a way to test my system? And compare it to other systems?

 

thanks for the advice but the system in the old system is the same on my new one. Both are clean installs and both don't have antivirus or bloatware.

 

Vista and orifice 2007 will certainly run slower than XP and orifice 2003.
I don't run '07, but have run numerous benchies on XP vs Vista. XP is 20-30% faster in the benchies and 100% faster to boot.

My $.02 is that you dual boot XP/Vista. Use vista only when you need to or want to play around with the new OS.
IMHO while Vista is cool it's too immature to be a replacement for XP yet.

Also, Vista has KNOWN performance issues. Rumor is that SP1 (due spring '08) will address some of these performance issues.

 

In my experience, Office 2007 is just as fast as 2003. I run it on both XP & Vista and it runs the same for me on both OS.

 

Although many people debate the claim I'm going to make, in my experience of using Vista, XP and Linux... EVERYTHING IS FASTER THAN VISTA!!!

 

the problem is i have both systems running a clean install of vista.

i can't say with conviction that my new laptop beats my old laptop in terms of quickness and speed for opening up applications or doing basic functions.

laptop 1:
dell inspiron 9300
pentium 2.0 centrino
1.25 gb ram
60 gb 7200 rpm hd
8600 go

laptop 2:
sager 5791
core duo 2.4 ghz
2 gb ram
200 gb 7200 rpm hd
7950 gtx 512 mb video


shouldn't my new laptop be destroyin the old one in performance?

 

I truly can't understand why that would be? Unless something about your new laptop just doesn't work well with Vista. That is too much of a spec difference not too see an improvement. I would try Clean install of XP if problem continues.

 

If all else is the same, yes, I'd think it would beat the pants off the old one.

I'm going to guess that there's a driver in there somewhere which is dogging the system. Maybe look thru event viewer and see if that offers any insight into the problem.

 

Actually, both of their hard drives are the same speed, so they will both load things from the disk at roughly the same time. That may explain your disappointment.

 

Yea, but it's not slow speed drives. It's 7200 and he should see a performance from the processor alone. Not to mention the half gig extra RAM.

 

You just blew all if any credibility you ever had in the computing world.

In terms of loading it's going to be his harddrive that's bottlenecking it.

His old system wasn't really a slouch, hell if it wasn't for Dual cores today it's still strong as an Ox. The 6800Go is faster than 90% of video cards in laptops. His 60Gig 7200Drive is just a tad slower than his current 200Gig.

This is the problem you're not really doing anything that would take advantage of it's new resources. Office 2007 and Outlook 2007 is ways slower at starting up than Office 2003 due to it's new GUI. Vista is slower than XP as well. I've used Vista and Office 2007 prior to public launch dates and the feed back that I provided to MS was it's slower than XP or 2003. One reason why Office 2007 is slower is the Docx code is bloated compared to old .Doc. Vista also Office 2007 is also slower due to the fact it relies on the heavily bloated underpinning of .Net. Remember when ATI started CCC and people said it was damn slow compared to the old CP?

Anyway I'm drifting from my point. You old system wasn't super slow to start with. Your tasks aren't not very demanding to stress either system. You're using software that is known to be slower than it's predecessors. It's like you had a 70 Corvette and a 08 Corvette, both fast but you're only able to go the speed limit. Only when you take em to the track and push both to the edge that you will see where the 08 Shines.

 

It's a 1-day fresh install. Don't worry, everything will be snappier after a couple days of normal use. Also, look for the links to the new reliability updates, it made my startup MUCH quicker (system tray icons are there almost instantly as well as my wireless internet connection).

 

this might sound dumb but did you defrag? Tweaking the GUI will work too like disabling too much eye candy. I run Office 07 and i like it more than 03 however i dont use OutLook i use the free email one that comes with Windows and its fast

 

ctrl-alt-del, processes and performance tabs, and see if something's eating up all the cpu and/or ram.

 

I have noticed the exact same thing with my office 07, and your right it is annoying. I don't think it has anything to do with your hardware or your processes, I have tweaked my XP machine and I still have the same issue, I think it comes down to office 07 just being slow.

 

Go to Tools>Options>Trust Center and click on Add-ins. Disable the following, unless you are using Exchange, Sharepoint, or need VBA:
Microsoft Exchange Unified Messaging
Microsoft Office SharePoint Server Colleague Import
Microsoft Outlook Mobile Service
Microsoft VBA for Outlook Addin

Go to Tools>Options>Mail Setup>Send/Receive and you should have a group named All Accounts. Click Edit>RSS> and uncheck the RSS box at the top, unless you truly want to receive the microsoft RSS feeds.

Both of these are known to slow OL 2007 at startup and during send/receive!

There is also a hotfix for slow performance caused by large pst files @ http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

Also if you've upgraded from 2000 or 2003 the rules used in 2007 are a different format. Tools>Rules and Alerts>Options>Upgrade Now

You may also do a SCANOST and SCANPST on your pst file.

 

if it's very new Vista could still be doing the super/pre/fetch thing can't remember the proper name. On new installs that slows things down for a few days in my experience. You could switch it off temporarily to see if that is the cause.. I think the Vista tweaks threads will tell you how.

 

i think it's vista doing it's indexing on the fresh install

 

Are you crazy? Dual Core and more ram DOES make a Differ. It's not just the HD. Dual-Core is much better for multitasking(might not make a differ in gaming as most only use one core). Maybe you need more experience & reading before trying to speak on somebody's credibility

Office 2007 is NOT slower than 2003. Sorry the GUI does not hinder it at all. Apps of Office 2007 pops up nearly instant for me Vista is slower than XP? well that depends on the user and how he has his machine setup. Vista is faster than XP on a lot of aspects for me.

And the Docx code making Office slow is rubbish. Source please? Who uses Docx anyway? Doc & XML format is mostly used.

 

Just a thought on the Office 2007 issue.. could it be that they've detached it from the OS a bit more? It was my understanding that previous versions of Office opened very quickly due to them sharing components with Windows so effectively bits of Office were running all the time. Perhaps with the differences between XP and Vista they've had to make it more standalone and a self contained package?

I don't know if that's the case at all, it's just a bit of speculation....

 

Sorry literacy is not a strong suit for you.

Where in his OP does it say he's multi-tasking? He's USING OFFICE 07 and OUTLOOK 07. That's his main focus. Did he say he's running encoding apps and playing games? NO! He's talking about running 2 single threaded apps that aren't RAM hungry. Someone ANYONE tell me how the hell dual core CPU and 512Mb more RAM is going to help him at opening something faster. It's not like he had a P3 550mhz CPU.

Google the downside for DocX. I'm not even going to say anything anymore about Vista and Office 07 since you love it so much. I've had first hand experience with them and while I liked Office 07 it didn't seem to be worth the price tag.

 

No, literacy is not your strong suit being that it's OBVIOUS I was responding to other posts in this Thread.

Maybe you need to look at page 2 of this thread where the OP clearly asked "shouldn't my new laptop be destroyin the old one in performance?"

 

Vista is as fast as XP for me....

 

Minimal speed startup difference for me. I have two laptops one with XP and Office 2003 and a Vista Ultimate and Office 2007. Office 2007 has grown quite a bit with new GUI and features. But once it's running it's fine. What's a few seconds anyhoo?

 

Hey guys, sounds like it's getting a little heated in here. Take 10 seconds and breathe deeply before you hit the "send" button, ok?

 

i'm sorry i didn't mean to instigate an argument between these fine gentlemen actually both of their comments helped me tremendously. i understand a lot more now.

 

Don't worry Theorist.. it'll all work out!

As far as the laptop speeds are concerned.. I really find the "stats" useless for now. My desktop runs Vista equally fast as XP, but my laptop on XP is speed demon compared to Vista and they are similarly spec'd.

Vista is not a terrible OS, but it just doesn't have the breadth (yet) to be speedy across all platforms. Once it matures, and it is able to handle a wide variety of hardware components flawlessly, it'll be much better. I've tried every tweak out there, and they make it marginally better. It's worth trying every thing possible to improve performance but at the end of the day Vista just doesn't have the experience XP has in supporting so much hardware so don't go crazy

 

Vista has been just fine for me. Just as fast as when I had XP on this laptop.

Actually, my Vista startup is faster then my XP startup EVER was. Kind of weird I guess.

 

From my experience its been that everything is faster than Linux!

 

That 5791 you've got there is a sweet system, almost exactly the way I almost ordered it before I decided on a 15 inch laptop. Have you benchmarked it? I sure wouldn't judge it on Outlook. It will clean your Dell's clock in benchmarking, unless there is something set wrong or hardware problem.

 

I tried Office 2007 on both PC with Windows XP and Notebook with Vista I don't see anything faster...both seems same to me I am not complaining but the bottom line is both runs fine than not run at all for I care.

 

For day-to-day (light or no multi tasking) operations you won’t notice a day and night difference. However, Sager should blow away the DELL in benchmarks, games and CPU intensive apps like video encoding or 3D rendering, but NOT in MS office or general Vista performance. If you check your processor speed while using MS Office or doing light work, you’ll see that most of the time it is running at less than half the regular speed (which means it really doesn’t need all that processing power).Program load times (like Office / Outlook etc..) heavily depends on the HDD performance, Since both machines have 7200RPM disks the only advantage you have over your old machine is extra RAM.

 

thank you that helps a lot. disabling the addons via the security center in outlook by clicking on the drop down box below and then unchecking the boxes.

 

Add MacOS to that list...

And for me, O2K7 is MUCH faster than O2K3.