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    is XP SP3 safe to download now?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by wobble987, May 8, 2008.

  1. Jalf

    Jalf Comrade Santa

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    I just did a clean install, and I'm thankful for SP3! :p
     
  2. TeeJay 44

    TeeJay 44 Notebook Deity

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    Hey Jalf...did you also download the 316Mb stand alone and burn it to CD?

    Cheers,
    Theo
     
  3. Arki

    Arki Super Moderator

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    Why would one do that? :confused:
     
  4. Wirelessman

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    I almost asked the same question before you, but I hesitated in case I'm missing something. Let's see what is the answer now.
     
  5. TeeJay 44

    TeeJay 44 Notebook Deity

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    OK. You guys have XP SP3. Have you saved it on CD for your next reinstall/reformat though to save a huge download?

    Cheers,
    Theo
     
  6. Gintoki

    Gintoki Notebook Prophet

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    I might be installing XP SP3 x86 over vista on this computer, SP3 looks good and I'm kinda tired of vista....
     
  7. coolguy

    coolguy Notebook Prophet

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    SP3 doesn't offer anything (but some non useful) more than SP2 did. BTW why are you tired of vista?
     
  8. Arki

    Arki Super Moderator

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    The download was only 66.9MB from a fresh install through WU for me. I think that's because it was only in English.
     
  9. jin07

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    Did your XP install CD already have SP2 on it?
     
  10. Gintoki

    Gintoki Notebook Prophet

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    Yeah i know, vista works perfectly fine on my computer but ever since using Linux for a while I've grown tired of it in general and i feel i should use XP as it is kinda like Linux.
     
  11. wobble987

    wobble987 Notebook Virtuoso

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    hey guys, i also heard that they add some new networking feature that might make your internet connection slower, or have difficulties running online games. is this true?
     
  12. kristalsoldier

    kristalsoldier Notebook Guru

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    Downloaded SP3 from WU and no problems thus far. Systems 'feels' a bit snappier...but then that could just be me imagining things. The one thing I did notice, however, was that while the wifi used to snap to work as soon as booted up in SP2, under SP3 there is a delay of a few seconds - maybe 5-10 secs. Anyone else experiencing this?

    I guess in a sense it wont matter in a month or so when I install Vista, which I now think I should especially after Vista SP1.

    Cheers!
     
  13. qhn

    qhn Notebook User

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    . office: 80% AMD (from Athlon to X2); mix of brands;
    . zero issue with SP3, installation or running since day 1 (apart from the 2 reinstallations due to hardware issues)
    . personal: 2 AMDs; zero issue

    the article mentioned hp based system, but we had experienced no side effect with n5470 (old old old) and dv9000 series. Wish that they were more specifc regarding some models.

    cheers ...
     
  14. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    Sp3 won`t rely improve anything, it will just strenghten your security and such, by making sure you have all updates.
    Sp1 on the other hand was desperately needed.
    SP3 is just a small touch over SP2,but a welcomed on nonetheless.
     
  15. Arki

    Arki Super Moderator

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    Yup.

    I agree. It doesn't take much to make XP as snappy as Linux is, and Linux is still a prettier OS out of Vista and XP by default. XP and Vista have so many visual styles to choose from.

    My connection is actually fine. It actually seems a bit faster, but I'm sure that's a placebo effect.
     
  16. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    SP3 also comes with some secret powerful built-in capabilities to you to discover, that's what Bill told me :D
     
  17. knightingmagic

    knightingmagic Notebook Deity

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    It's true. Service Pack 3 limits your download speed to 14.4Kbps and gets you banned from all of your favorite online games.

    There's no difference in internet connection speed. I was joking. While the SP3 copy of tcpip.sys is limited to 10 half-open connections, it only matters to people who use torrents that have modified tcpip.sys
     
  18. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    I don't know about games but internet speed limitations?????? Who said such thing?
     
  19. Gregory

    Gregory disassemble?

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    I've been using SP3 on a fresh install of XP Pro for 4 or 5 days now. I haven't seen any significant difference.

    Some minor differences though...

    -Less updates to install from Windows Update
    -This might be my imagination, but pages seem to load faster.

    Seems safe!
     
  20. timtravel42

    timtravel42 Notebook Virtuoso

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    SP3 Works fine for me
    no performance gain/loss seen
     
  21. jin07

    jin07 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    That's why the download was small in your case, not because fewer languages were installed. The standalone SP3 is the big file, but when installing SP3 over SP2 you only get the 66.9 file. However, I'm guessing you already knew this.
     
  22. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    But SP3 should not slow down your downlink.
     
  23. James

    James Notebook Evangelist NBR Reviewer

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    Just downloaded SP3 earlier, and I have to say that I'm pretty impressed. My bootup time has been improved by almost 5 seconds, shutdown time was cut in half, and everything just seems a lot more zippy. It pretty much feels like a fresh install on a 5 month old install. I was a little nervous after reading this thread, but all is well. Great job Microsoft.
     
  24. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Anyone have a problem with a failed install of SP3 due to an "access denied" error? I got the error on a gateway running a Celeron M that's about 3 years old, and came with XP originally. I believe that the error relates to advapi.dll, and is due to that file not being properly associated with the administrator account (also the only account).
     
  25. neilmcl

    neilmcl Notebook Consultant

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    I had the same issue, although the installation completed successfully. I thought it may have been my firewall software causing it.
     
  26. abuser4lif3

    abuser4lif3 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Did someone have some problems with this incompatability? Or maybe they have fixed it?
     
  27. qhn

    qhn Notebook User

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    . the incompatibility occurs only for these specific m$ DRM application users
    . as of today, no fix has been released
    . for non-DRM XP users, this fix will be irrelevant, if it ever becomes available.

    cheers ...
     
  28. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's what I thought, too. I ended up downloading the large 316MB package and then trying to do a naked install (no A/V, no firewall, no anti-spyware) but I still kept getting the problem. I tried 4 installs, which each took 15 minutes before it bombed out, and then took another 15 minutes uninstalling, so unless I can figure out (and fix) whatever this access problem is, I'm just going to haul off and do a clean re-install from the recovery partition, followed by an install of SP3.
     
  29. neilmcl

    neilmcl Notebook Consultant

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    I've read that you should login and install as Administrator, preferably in Safe mode, rather than a user with administrator privilege. I'm going to uninstall SP3 and try this myself at the weekend. I'm assuming I can just uninstall SP3 to get back to the previous state, it wont uninstall XP entirely will it?
     
  30. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's an interesting thought - I checked to make sure that the account I was using (the only one other than "guest" on the machine) had administrative privileges - which it did. Since the system is my mother-in-law's (and thus far, far away right now until weekend after next), I'll give that a try when I get back to it.
     
  31. Wirelessman

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    Your mother in law is controlling your internet :eek:
     
  32. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's why I disabled the remote administration of my router, and don't pass remote desktop connections to my home server from the internet. I ain't quite as dumb as I look (almost, but not quite). :D
     
  33. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    Since you have a home server, do you also have a DNS server?
     
  34. eleron911

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    Shyster1 , my sugestion is also to try it in safe mode .
    For some reason, a friend of mine could not install SP1 in Vista on a regular boot, so a brainstorm told me to reboot in safe mode(I was thinking video driver uninstall.*blink blink* and I went ahead with it. Worked just fine.
     
  35. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It's still a work in progress, :rolleyes: and is largely internal (occasionally I'll enable access from the outside so that I can get back in when we go to the in-laws). For internet DNS I still go with the defaults set up when we got the cable modem (although I'm getting tired of roadrunner sending all unresolved lookups to itself). In terms of facilitating access from outside (not that there's much of it, but in future I'll probably permit some limited access by others - right now I just love having the resources of my home PC available wherever I can hook my laptop into the www :D ), I set up an account with DynDNS (via the Belkin router) so that I could get a stable URL that would resolve to my assigned IP - however, since I rarely, if ever, turn off the cable modem itself, the IP hasn't been reassigned in ages.
     
  36. hoggie

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    tried it on two laptops one with clean install.
    the other, xp pro last clean install 1year.

    all ok on clean install and seems to be more responsive :D
    on the older install nothing but freezing-up (ctfmon.exe seems to be the trouble wasn't before).
    and hibernation not working. will hibernate but on starting up. will shut down and restart, but nothing in error log :confused:
     
  37. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    You know I did notice a weird thing too.
    I turned off the computer into standby mode, and it resumed into a black screen. Although people said it might be a hardware thing,since a lot of Clevo/Sager users got it, it never hapenned to me before going to SP3.
    Darn it, and standby/hibernation is all I use...
     
  38. hoggie

    hoggie old boy

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    still trying to sort out way the hibernation is having trouble.
    have cut services down to bare bones using Blackviper.com
    and hibernation is working now will now back track too see which service was causing trouble :D

    PS. both laptops acer
     
  39. Wirelessman

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    Intel or AMD?

    I have notice that most issues are associated with Intel based machine, am I wrong?

    I have an AMD machine and no problems art all.
     
  40. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    Mine`s an INTEL, so you may be right on this one.
    But that`s discrimination :D
     
  41. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    Hahahaha, call it MAD instead of AMD then.
     
  42. THAANSA3

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    I downloaded SP3 and now I can't get into any of my folders. My screen goes completely blank and then all of my icons return to the desktop. I can't even get into 'control panel,' 'my computer,' or anything else.
     
  43. wearetheborg

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    What the heck is wrong with SP3 ? Judging from the problems, it seems like an alpha release.
     
  44. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    I don`t know. It worked fine for me and all my friends :confused:
    You guys should consider reinstalling everything and doing a clean upgrade to SP3...it`s the smartest way.
     
  45. McGrady

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    XP3 effed my desktop upp. =/
     
  46. moon angel

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    I installed it a day or so ago I've noticed no issues whatsoever, but I don't think I've tried hibernating yet.
     
  47. knightingmagic

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    How exactly?
     
  48. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    I`m guessing effed it up pretty good.
    I read a lot of horror stories, but I though those were isolated.
    Seems SP3 was prematurely released for a lot of people...
     
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    Mine too. I lost my desktop picture and widgets. Furthermore, I can't get into any of my files. I can't get into 'my computer' or anything. My screen blanks out every time and my desktop icons completely disappear then reappear a few seconds later. None of this was happening before I added SP3.
     
  50. McGrady

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    well when i first installed it, it rebooted and i got a bsod after it showed bios info. it rebooted by itself and kept bsod and restarting...then it finally worked after a really long time...but now somethings wrong with my installer. i cant install or uninstall anything. in addition, some problems with my liveonecare service because it cant update. im thinking its related to the problem of installer service though
     
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