no more vista

I finally gave up on vista yesterday and went back to xp on my vostro...I hope microsoft can get it all sorted out eventually....such a cool OS, but it kept freezing on me every ten minutes....

and there you have it....

 

ho hum. another disatisfied customer. where have i read that before!

 

Instead of giving up, you could tells us the problem with your Vista, so we can help you to find a solution.
Personally Vista is wonderful, not a single problem on my laptop and It's running pretty fast.

 

I'm having a similar experience with Vista x64. I wasn't originally planning on installing it before SP1 came out, but an unfortunate accident forced me to accelerate my time-table a bit. (Windows XP was corrupted.)

And so far, I don't regret it. Not by a long shot. The install was super easy (It even natively detected my RAID array), and its been running surprisingly fast. I've not yet had the opportunity to test out any games, but if it handles games as well as it has handled everything else I think I'll be quite content to stick with Vista. Whats really nice is that Vista solved a number of the hardware incompatibilities that I was experiencing with Windows XP.

 

And do you have a Dell Vostro 1500 with all the same options as he does? No? Then your data point is useless. He said his problem was the system was locking up every 10 minutes, which could be many things, but is usually driver related. Shocker there, drivers that are required to do much more than just interface with hardware (such as inspect all your data to make sure you aren't an evil "pirate") can become unstable...

I've found that Linux is wonderful, without a single problem on my laptop, and it runs even faster than Windows. Must mean any problems you might have with it are imaginary

 

I agree with Pitabred on this one. Troubleshooting a problem like that is extremely difficult, and I would know; the Satellite A70 is known to suffer from random shutdowns because the speakers are improperly grounded, meaning that a mere ESD from a hand could shutdown the computer. The problem and solution seem obvious once you have heard it, but without Toshiba's technical bulletin I probably never would have found the cause of the problem. Finding the cause to the OT's problems is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

 

Vista 64Bit seems much more stable than 32bit. I had too many problems on 32bit to keep it on my system, but 64bit is pretty solid and faster (given you have 2gb).
I just don't see a real reason yet for Vista when XP is still the better OS. Maybe after Vista SP2.

 

Just wondering: does Vista inspect files in FS other than MS?

I mean, Vista was forced on my Vostro (in my country there is no xp option) and I can't lose time to get a refund right now. So I will be using Vista and a temporary Linux distro before I find the time to braze the disk and install my Linux - XP pro dual boot.
Will Vista mess up with , or only peek into, my ext3 partitions?

(I am keeping vista because that's the only rapid way to check that the laptop is working properly and has no hardware problems)

 

I put xp on it and I have a copy of vista to use down the road...but right now...xp runs great and I am happy with it...thanks pita for going to bat for me

 

Now wait a minute, that is completely unfair. There's absolutely no way you can dismiss someone's offer to help w/o at least going into a little more detail. It's not fair to people who use Vista, nor is fair to people who are trying to work through their Vista issues. Maybe someone else has this same problem, but if all you're going to do is whine about Vista w/o at least trying to troubleshoot the actual problem you are helping no one.

 

No. Vista only knows how to access NTFS and FAT filesystems. But it doesn't inspect all files at all, it just checks licenses and makes sure you aren't trying to intercept bit streams, encrypts data across internal buses, etc., all of which takes a fair bit of CPU time that isn't necessary to actually get the job it's supposed to do done, it just "protects" their interests. I personally detest donating my CPU cycles to Microsoft It doesn't inspect files directly, except possibly with the Windows Genuine Advantage checks.

 

Im quoting this because it makes complete sense.

 

Totally agree. I don't understand why some people come on the forums and go Vista sucks but don't state reasons and don't ask for help maybe because alot of the issues can be resolved easily. My belief is if you don't like it don't get it, no one is making you get vista.

 

I beg to differ.
Buying a laptop without Vista is not an easy task.
I *had to* get Vista, despite I asked for a Linux laptop, before, a non OS laptop a little bit later and an XP pro laptop later on.
No way, siree! You have to swallow Vista, like it or not.

Granted, certain manufacturers offer an option (almost exclusively with another MS OS). Dell does, but not in my country, at least for the hardware I had chosen. But the vast majority of the laptops (and also desktops) out there are sold with Vista.

Since MS did a lot to shove it down the user's throat, I think he/she should be granted the right to spit it back into their faces, should he/she not like it.

(as for me, for now all I can say is that I do not like the philosophy behind Vista. I couldn't stand the Windows Media Player EULA, I'll let you imagine what I think about an OS that install and modify software and sends your data without telling you...
But then, since I have to try it out, perhaps I'll like it and will abandon the Righteoous Way of the Penguin to worship the Evil Lord of Redmond who knows?)

 

Thanks God.
I couldn't stand the contamination . It is enough having to reinstall Grub because at Redmond they think there couldn't be other OSes, I am glad it could not damage my other FS.

And there goes my battery life...
How I hate this 'convergence' stuff. PCs should be PCs. Media centers should be media centers. Not only I have to endure not to be trusted by the Trusted Computing Group, but I also have to struggle to get a matte screen, and then it's in a format suitable for watching DVDs, not for programming, or for work...

Oh, well, sorry for the rant. I had to get it off my chest.
Thank you for your clear answer.

 

I agree with you somewhat. I don't blame the people that don't like vista but were forced to use it because it was included in their laptop however, its all contracts with microsoft so as much as people blame microsoft its also to due with whatever specific company that you are buying the laptop from which signed a contract to only offer vista.

My main point was that people who willingly chose vista then just whine about it the whole time. But I agree with you that if you were forced to get it then I guess you paid for something you didn't willingly choose. But I haven't had any issues with vista and personally like it.

 

I am not one to complain without reason, and I don't want this thread to be one where the readers believe that I just gave up

I spent several hours trying to figure out all of the hard drive errors with an IT person (not dell, but a real programmer) Vista simply would not run with any of my games or my programs without freezing.

After installing XP, all of the problems were gone, and I was able to use everything I wanted.

This thread is not to flame vista, nor should you use it as an chance to vaguely imply stupidity on the thread starter (me)

 

Nah sorry was not directed at you at all. guess I stole your thread, just was giving my opinion on what the others said. Your thread is fine, sorry if it seemed like it was directed towards you.

 

I second Shyster on this making complete sense.

 

All I was trying to do is offer some help. My HP laptop came with XP Media Center Edition, and my install of Vista was fast and smooth. Maybe my experience would help...

 

It sounds to me like he has found a solution... Don't you think?

Help with what? With a problem he doesn't have?
If he's reverted to XP and is fine with that, what does he need help with?
Why should he spend more time with Vista trying out your suggestions?
Why not let him use the OS that works from the start?
He's not completely unfair. You are.

Oh and by the way, I'd like you to install AmigaOS so I can guide you through any problems you might run into.
It's not fair to dismiss my offer to help, after all.

 

No, there's nothing in that sentence saying that. I was simply asking about their specific problem and trying to help If I can.

 

Seems like Vista is still a crap shoot at the moment.

Maybe the Odds will be more in the players favor after SP1 or SP2.

 

Thanks...yes I have...

Thanks...again...

Wait he won't install your OS suggestion...wow that is just jacked up...why can't he just try it?



Anyway, I did not want all of the headaches I got from the time I turned my machine on with Vista. The HDD continued to freeze (over 300 errors in under 2 minutes) and my games would not run. I knew that xp would work, and that vista will work in the future once it all gets buttoned down. Perhaps then I will switch back.

And Sandesign...thanks for the offer, but I noticed that your configuration with a 7400gs would not be anything similar to my set up, and you wouldn't have been adequately prepared to answer all hardware configuration questions from your experience. And there was everything in that sentence to show that I had found a solution....XP

 

If he found a solution....why the thread at all. I personally dont care if he goes back, nor would I ask anyone to go back. Now if he wanted to go back and wanted help...right on.

If not why post? Just to pronounce your a complainer?

 

I would say overwhelmingly its as good or better than when XP rolled. The facts quoted here about Vista...are the crap shoot.

 

Hey, for the first fifteen minutes I liked it.

But it makes me unconfortable to save a file in the "Documenti" folder and then, under dos prompt not being able to find it there, because it is in the "Documents" folder, a folder that a DIR in the user folder is not able to see. DIR only sees the empty "Documenti" folder, instead, and IIRC it lists it as a directory.

EDIT: no, my bad. I checked that again and it lists as DocumentS. A dir /a was more than enough to show the hidden "junction" files.

How many magic tricks like this should I expect?
Do I need to rely on M$ for my backups, or can I trust that other applications will target the correct folders? Maybe I just stumbled on some sort of hard links to the actual folders, but I don't like the way Vista is hiding information to me.

Oh, and I also don't like too much the fact that when I open a movie DVD in WMP it get hijacked by Dell's Media Direct. Nothing unsolvable, ok, but I would have expected a brand new system to work right out of the box.

Off to download the latest version of Knoppix, to see how it fares with this recent hardware, and to have a look at where my files are actually going.

 

LOL no thanks, don't need your help, I've had enough aggravation today

BTW after reading the OP's posts I in fact do understand that XP was one solution for him. However, think of it this way. The OP posts a one-sentence statement stating he switched to XP because his PC was freezing every 30 minutes. Does this necessarily mean that Vista is to blame? Nope.

Yes he switched to XP and his problem went away, but we still don't know for sure if it was a specific driver problem with his soundcard, videocard, NIC, etc. Can Vista be blamed, for instance, if ATI created a crappy driver for his laptop causing his PC to freeze every 10 minutes? What if a third-party driver made all of his problems go away?

Having a general sense of the feelings towards Vista on this board, it's important to give everyone a fair shake, including the Vista owner who can possibly be helped. I would like to think one of the reasons this board existed was to assist others, irregardless of what they have installed or how you feel about the companies that support/create these OSes/software.

Instead we get one-liners and cracks that do not help whatsoever.

I have spoken my peace, and I'm outta this thread

 

I have used gotten a new computer every within a few months that MS introduced a every new OS, since Tabworks ( win 3.1) - with the exception of ME. Skipped that one
Yes, there are issues with drivers but that will change soon and I enjoy resolving and discovering the capabilities of a new OS. I really do enjoy many aspects of Vista and I love XP, too. Mainly because I am so comfortable with XP and know it inside out. When we get outside our comfort zone and expect the system to react in a familiar way and it doesn't , some people tend to criticize.
I feel Vista is will be better than XP, and we cannot stop the progression of software development. It's all becomes antiquated and it seems the life spans are shorter and shorter.
Yes Vista hides many features that XP Pro made readily available to the advanced user. It's not like you can't work with that if you truly are an advanced user, nothing is really hidden that can't be tweaked. Frustration is expected at times, but bashing is non-productive. JMHO -- Enjoy the weekend everyone!

 

Ah, the life of a Vista crash-test dummy.

I'll stick with reading the safety reports from a working OS (XP) for now.

 

We'll wait for SP1 before giving the final evaluation.

 

jeez...i was just making a post that I switched back to xp....

I knew it was a problem with vista because of the HDD errors. I installed a single game that took up 5gbs, and my available HDD space went from 100 down to 84.1 (the 100 thing was annoying too, since I had a 120gb HDD) and diagnostic errors through vista were all about hard drive problems, but bios checks showed the HDD working fine. Xp solved my problem and I have less headaches and more available system resources.

I am not saying I won't switch to vista at some point, but it will be a while

 

Hi New Dell Vostro I bought 1500 needed a Hard drive

SATA put in 80 GIG

It has 2gig Ram, Duo Core 1.4
and the great Intel GM900 series Media Accelerator (Crap Video card)

and Drum Roll, the great (Crap) dell wireless 1395 card

OK

The drivers are down loaded and when installed.. Blue screen the Laptop! Yes Vista 32bit Home Basic that came with the Laptop! Oh ans SP 1 will not install!

How Long have I played with this? Try 25 hours worth, 5 days now!

This reminds me of windows Millennium another joy to work with.

I do think its both Dell and MS fault on this. (Oh the XP drivers are no better I played with them too)


Dell has made sure they have packaged a Piece of worthless technology, doing this probably saves them $2 USD per computer since the good stuff is so cheap now,

WHy
WHy would dell do this to us!?!