so Windows 10 or look for windows 7?

so I just bought a new rig for gaming/personal work, and before I used windows 7 on my alienware laptop(on my signature, soon to be sold after testing my new computer for 1 month or less, depending on how many bugs I find)

since it is self made rig, I don't have any OS yet, I installed windows10 because I can afford to format it whenever I can, so I don't know if I need to pull the trigger on win10 yet or look nonstop for a win7 license and install it

 

There are 10s of threads about Windows 10 on these forums, read them and make a decision for yourself. Noone can recommend you what OS to use. It's a personal choice.

 

Install Linux, it's free.

 

See:
http://laptopmedia.com/reviews/windows-8-1-vs-windows-10-comparison-in-over-20-performance-tests/


Considering the test is only a couple of days later than 3 weeks after intro; Windows 10 is the one I'm betting on.

Especially with DX12 and future gaming for your workflows.

The cheapest option for you is to buy an Win7 license, do the upgrade to 10 and then do a clean install of Win10 from a USB or DVD you create here.

See:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10


Yeah; the Win7 updates will kill you. But think of the $$ you're saving.

 

Before you decide on W10 you really need to check out the below links. Is it really Free...not.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-windows-10-upgrade-disable-telemetry.780476/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/why-i-dont-like-windows-10.779540/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/poll-do-you-like-your-windows-10-upgrade.779545/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/why-i-dont-like-windows-10.779540/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...anything-illegal-can-and-will-be-sued.780319/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-upgrade-again.780471/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/poll-getting-keeping-reverting-windows-10.779733/

 

First off this is Windows 10 and this is what you are really getting !


The next thing you have to ask as a gamer and someone like myself who builds their own gaming rigs is:

1) How do you like getting forced updates from MS even if it screws up your system?
2) How do you like playing your favorite game while MS is downloading and installing their latest video drivers or updates and your screen going blank and possibly crashing your game and progress? Or even worse it reboots your system because after all MS is now treating the OS as a service.

Sometimes free isn't always better especially those who got a free trojan horse. No thanks, Windows 8.1 is the lesser of the two evils.

 

Nope. Not in any way.

Be honest: You know you can block driver updates in Windows 10 if you want. Without even opening the registry or the gpedit once - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

 

Honestly, you can't stop MS from changing the game, at their own or others demand, you can't possibly dream of staying ahead of their specialists work at keeping the data flowing from / to your Windows 10 computer.

The weight of demand to provide a steady stream of data to the vast BIG DATA repositories, with $BIILLION$ invested, is going to assure you aren't going to stop it, once you allow it to start.

Once YOU AGREE to the EULA, they will stop at nothing to continue that data stream from/to you and your family, home, business, current location - within .5 meters - the distance between your left and right foot - as your MS FitBit reports each footstep.

BTW, does that EULA only cover that 1 computer, or all of your networked "Cloud Connected" computers sharing the same Wifi, Network, Local Logins, Microsoft Login, etc. ??

You will be not able to keep ahead of their constant updates to stop 100% of the flow of voice, video, imagery, telemetry, keystrokes, files, from your devices.

If your attention lapses, and you miss a new update that works around your "privacy hacks" for 1 hour, 1 day, a couple of weeks, or months after you tire of the drain on your time to stay abreast of privacy developments, the stored / collated / indexed / and prioritized for transmission index to your data will be ready to xmit at high speed through the internet.

Go ahead, edit the registry

 

No. You are creating a horror scenario that does not reflect the reality in any way.

You can configure Windows 10 in such a way that it does not collect any more data than Windows 7 (which collects data too, always remember that). A user in another forum monitored his network traffic while browsing the web, comparing Windows 7 and Windows 10 - Windows 10 didn´t send any more data than Windows 7 in this timeframe.

Ehm, no. Windows 10 doesn´t send any of these things, unless you use Microsofts other services like Cortana, Onedrive, Bing, Outlook, Microsoft account etc. - these are the services the EULA talks about.

I personally gladly use these services, as they make my life easier and more comfortable...but you can easily use Windows 10 without them if you don´t want to use them. I doubt however that many users want to loose so much comfort.

 

This is not true. The user in question (pianowizard) reports the increase of 14.1% in W10 when compared to W7.

The thread in question:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=118825

But not everything resides in the EULA...because it points to the Privacy Statement as well. Read it for yourself and decide:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

 

Yes, why not quote him directly with his full quote, instead of a cut-down version?

"OBJECTIVE: Test the hypothesis that Windows 10 sends much more info than Windows 7.

MATERIALS & METHODS: Information submitted from a Windows 10 Pro 64bit machine was compared with that from a Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit machine, both of them connected to the internet through Ethernet. On both computers, all telemetry that could be disabled was disabled (e.g. location information, synching of calendars, etc.). I performed the exact same tasks on both computers, namely, 15 min 30 sec of internet browsing. On each computer, I used Internet Explorer 11 to load 31 web sites, and stayed on each site for 30 sec. The same 31 sites were loaded on both computers, although some sites' contents could have varied somewhat because the two computers were tested about an hour apart. The amount of information submitted was monitored through Windows' Network and Sharing Center.

RESULTS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit sent 5,720,035 bytes and received 70,740,682 bytes, whereas Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sent 5,012,736 and received 53,953,041. Some sites caused the "sent bytes" value to skyrocket, whereas other sites caused a small increase initially and then hardly any further change over the rest of the 30 seconds.

DISCUSSION: Windows 10 sent 14.1% more information than Windows 7, although statistical significance of this difference could not be assessed since only one trial was performed. Regardless of whether this difference was significant, it is probably safe to conclude that Windows 10 does not send much more information than Windows 7, under the conditions of this study. The amount of information submitted depended heavily on which web site was being viewed, and the "bytes sent" value barely increased during the viewing of certain web sites. This suggests that both versions of Windows was sending just a small amount of information in the background, while the vast majority of information submitted was requested by certain web sites. Thus, if you are paranoid about being spied on, you should worry more about web sites spying on you, rather than Microsoft spying on you."

Also a must read: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-privacy-faq

And also about the telemetry, feedback and diagnosis data (which is the one privacy setting where you can´t turn it off completely in Pro/Home), which do not fall under the privacy statement: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/feedback-diagnostics-privacy-faq

 

ibmthink, what makes you think MS has started sending data?

Why would they immediately give you a demonstrable reason to stop them?

MS have the agreement from you to do as they will with all your Windows 10 inputs and outputs, all of your connected hardware, and all of your personal data - clear text and encrypted.

MS can gather the data on your computer, using easy to implement default filters to decide what to send and when to send it.

Maybe the filters say you aren't interesting enough yet to spy on

Why would you think MS would send data while you are actively browsing websites?

Why wouldn't they mix the traffic in with Updates - you know, the ones you can't turn off, the updates that are completely undocumented, untraceable, and likely unreadable if sniffed and read.

There are lots of ways to dribble out summary data in small packets - if the summary is interesting enough, it registers high enough on that days docket of "priority tags", a request for a full and continuous data flow could be requested - at the next update.

You would likely not be watching for that delayed after the fact query - long after you have forgotten what you did.

And, more likely, your monitoring tools would be inadequate for detection.

It would likely sound like Whale calls, or look like Kittens rolling about



I Know You Want to Believe, and on that, they rely.



Relax, it's not Reality, right?

 

That only works for the first time a driver update is hidden by you. But let's say that same device gets yet another driver update through Windows Updates, the tool will not even see the new update and it will only appear on the actual Windows Update and it will be installed whether you like it or not. We are all pros here and we know what we're doing. That is one bugged and useless tool.

 

No it does send tons of data whether you are using Cortana, Bing, etc. or not. This has been proven!



Here is a pic to prove the connection I was talking about. If I clicked resolve address it would either say vortex or settings.


Also notice the process mDNSResponder.exe ? That used to be bundled by Bonjour which gets installed anytime you install or update iTunes and what Bonjour does is send all your usage habits to Apple. Now same process is used by Micro$h4ft.

Don't tell us your opinion, give us facts!

All text typed on the keyboard is stored in temporary files, and sent (once per 30 mins) to:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10-2/

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

Telemetry is sent once per 5 minutes, to:

vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

typing the name of any popular movie into your local file search starts a telemetry process that indexes all media files on your computer and transmits them to:

df.telemetry.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com


When a webcam is first enabled, ~35mb of data gets immediately transmitted to:

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net


Everything that is said into an enabled microphone is immediately transmitted to:

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com

If this weren’t bad enough, this behavior still occurs after Cortana is fully disabled/uninstalled. It’s speculated that the purpose of this function to build up a massive voice database, then tie those voices to identities, and eventually be able to identify anyone simply by picking up their voice, whether it be a microphone in a public place or a wiretap on a payphone.

Interestingly, if Cortana is enabled, the voice is first transcribed to text, then the transcription is sent to:

pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
df.telemetry.microsoft.com

While the initial reflex may be to block all of the above servers via HOSTS, it turns out this won’t work: Microsoft has taken the care to hardcode certain IPs, meaning that there is no DNS lookup and no HOSTS consultation. However, if the above servers are blocked via HOSTS, Windows will pretend to be crippled by continuously throwing errors, while still maintaining data collection in the background. Other than an increase in errors, HOSTS blocking did not affect the volume, frequency, or rate of data being transmitted.

http://localghost.org/

http://aeronet.cz/news/analyza-wind...rmaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu/

 

No. It does not send anymore than Windows 7 or prior Windows versions did (which Windows did since the 2000 days - this is nothing new).

Yes, the same goes for you. How do you know whats inside of the data that goes to Microsoft? All you do know - there is something send. Nothing more. You have no proof that they store key-input, audio files or pictures taken from the webcam. You are tellling your opinion also everywhere.

Interesting is this article: http://arstechnica.co.uk/informatio...ndows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

Which can be concluded like this: If everything like Onedrive, Cortana etc. is disabled, Windows 10 still sends data (just like previous Windows versions), and though the exact nature of these packages is not known, it appears mostly harmless.

 

I rest my case, if you think it does not send anything more than Windows 7, I will not bother sitting here and proving anything to you. Enjoy your Windows 10

Welcome to my ignored members list.

 

No need for me to do so, since I've linked the entire thread so anyone interested in the subject matter can read what was being discussed.

The actual *data* that PW's experiment has returned is what was posted in my quote, and nothing in the rest of his post that you've quoted shows contradicting results. Please note that I'm saying "results" and not "opinions".

 

Oh, believe me, I have no problem with being on an ignore list because someone doesn´t like that I don´t comply to his/her opinion.

Yes, sure. Understandable, its so hard to proof these accusations.

 

It appears to me that you have not used W10 very long. Well I hope you enjoy it, I know I did ...not. A lot of things in life "appears harmless" but we find out later it can kill you. Well it appears to me that M$ could of done a much better job of making a "Free" OS . Instead they made a big mess of what could of been a great OS.

 

I think the big point here is missed. Even if you can inoculate W10 where it is no more harmful than any prior OS you are in danger. The problem is by the EULA you have entitled M$, its partners and third parties to that data. Even with all the tweaks to stop that data from getting out they will come in and try and get what they are entitled too.

I have no issue with telemetry up to the point where they can see my local machine itself. Be this by files or other devices that can gather data (Mic & Cam). Even location can be an issue as well, I do not need a laptop advertising that I am not home and on vacation. Also no matter what they have gathered it is never 100% secure, we see hacks just about every day as of late.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10s-privacy-policy-is-the-new-normal/

Anandtech is a shill it seems, even in the forums they are just saying they do not care if it checks for programs etc., so it seems they do not care about others privacy rights at all.

We here speak for the average Joes, Janes and others. We are trying to perpetuate the PC as a Personal Computer that they can use privately without concerns. Sure we can just be like media says and ignore the casual user, but we do not. This forum has a long standing tradition of helping others and this did not just die with the release of W10!

 

Not trying to play devil's advocate, but why hasn't Arstechnica or Anandtech reported on this?
(And fwiw, those first 2 links are just reposts of the 3rd link).

 

I have no issue with some telemetry. I do like ads being more taylored to me, I just want to keep my picture, voice, text and data files out of the mix. My other issue is if in the future they start trying to link my payment methods with that ad ID. Then we will start seeing the new crime of cyber identity theft. The rabbit hole would just be getting deeper.

 

Save yourself the headache and install Windows 7, a tried and tested OS that nobody has qualms with. Windows 10 is still in beta apparently and is having some serious teething issues.

 

Guys i have a one question.Im using windows 7 64bit and im interested in upgrade to windows 10 64bit but im concerned if the upgrade will affect my bios.My bios was locked and i flash it cause i wanted to further overclock my gpu card.I heard that windows 10 allows to ugprade without losing data even if you are on windows 7 or windows 8.So my question is.Do i need again to flash my bios if i upgrade without clean install or not.Cause i had a headache already by doing the flashing and wouldnt like to do it again(at least i hope so)

 

I have heard of some loosing the OC but there is way too little info here. If you go to the systems sub forum and ask like owners you may get a better answer. The problem is unless someone else has done it you may be getting into a craps shoot.