win 7 aero slow?

hi all,
so, i installed win 7 on my Toshiba a210-19a laptop, i enabled windows aero but somehow i am not confident with the animation when i open a new window, for example when i click on an icon on desktop, lets say MY COMPUTER, the way how the window shows up isnt very smooth enough, i mean, there is a little bit slow motion in it as for example in Vista.. is it probably because of my ati x1200 integrated video card?? i am running dual boot with vista - 19GB of memory for windows 7 (no application installed so far in win 7). when i minimize the window and than maximize its smooth enough, only when i open a new window..

 

lol, you're not alone: http://www.jcxp.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=35560

Some people notice it, others don't. I for one do and it drove me nuts at first. Now I just turn off window animation since it makes the OS much snappier, but there is definitely an issue with the Aero in 7. Maybe MS planned it to be that way, but to me it doesn't look smooth at all.

 

Aero is very very snappy on my HP G70 (2Gz dual core, G4500MHD video).

You can get into the guts of aero and disable certain animation features. It could be that your video chips choke on parts of the aero interface like transparency and alpha blending.

 

I had disabled "Window animation" in Windows 7 for the same reason. The opening of a window is not smooth as in Vista. It breaks in-between. I think my Nvidia 8400M GT should be able to handle this. I don't know if they redesigned it in the RTM version.

 

Nope, it's the same in the RTM version. It doesn't matter on the video card, people with the most high-end video cards experience the same thing.

 

For Nvidia users on laptop that have this problem, it's 100% normal.
The problem is not Aero, but the video card.

Nvidia video card feature Nvida's PowerMizer technology with is a power management system, that downclock to very low speed when the GPU is idle. Aero is not heavy enough to kick the GPU to clock higher unless you push it with flip3D for a few seconds animating, and moving lot of windows.

The reason for this, is that Aero require mostly GPU memory speed. Increasing the memory bit (doubling it), should solve the problem, but it's nothing anyone can do. Assuming that it can be done, the GPU memory will take 2 times it's battery consumption, so it's not an ideal solution for Nvidia and OEM's, and well you, as battery life would be much less.

The real solution is to disable Nvidia PowerMizer when the system is plug-in (driver setting, the detection is done automatically).

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OK, thanks for all replies, well, as i searched about this bug, it seems that its really a win 7 thing.. i dont really think its gonna be sorted in official version..(just got that feeling, dont know why). its not really a problem that will make me to stay with Vista but its sad that i need to switch off something that i would like to have.. SAD BUT TRUE!!

 

that seems odd since on both my desktop and laptop (with an integrated ati 3200hd) aero is even faster than what it was with vista. even when powerplay enabled it still is snappier than windows vista.

 

That is the word. Don't overuse it. It seems people don't enjoy the snappiness over the smoother Vista animation.

 

I just disable the animations. They even added a checkbox, Ease of Access -> Make it easier to focus on tasks -> Turn off all unnecessary animations.

 

I noticed too using RC 32bits. It is really annoying, since Vista seems much smoother just because of this issue... I hope they change this behaviour in the next updates.

 

I'm using my netbook running Windows 7 ultimate on intel gma 950. The animation is smooth as buttter and I notice no lag in the GUI.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4qNDnhK79Q

 

That is no bug... it's just like that. It's not make Aero animation like a freaking movie. The animation is already slow as it is, frankly, and it also probably made on purpose to show that the animation is done and that you can interact with it.

I put that comment back in teh days where people were going and saying "wjhat if it's not "my" picture/document/etc.."for "My ..." folders.

 

It's not for PowerMizer. I've tested 9200M GS and Mobility HD 3450.
ATI is really great. So smooth Aero !

Hate nVidia

 

Even the Win 7 video in Nvidia web page has the same choppy window animation.

 

I'll have to support GoodBytes's post on this.

If you ever run one of the newer CPU-Z builds, and switch over to the graphics tab, you can see various performance states for the graphics card. My Geforce 9600m GT runs rather slow when Its not actually needed. (see the LowPerState.jpg)

As he said, Running Flip 3D for a few seconds makes it run full speed, and it only stays at full speed for maybe half a minute after the 3D effect is turned off. (see the HighPerState.jpg)

Even though, dragging is still somewhat choppy, but it was in Vista for me too, maybe its because I have a crapload of horizontal space to notice it =\

 

^This was not the case with Vista.

 

powermizer?

 

Yeah, I don't notice this on a Nvidia 8800GTS or the Dell's 8400.

I don't experience it on the Radeon 3200 either.

Has to be the powermizer, which I don't use.

 

I like powermizer, keeps my pc just the tad cooler so the fan doesnt run as much.. although in win7 powermizer likes to changes to max clocks whenever i move a window around :x.. then fan starts and its annoying

 

The problem exists even at highest clock speed.
I think that's why most of companies are using ATI

 

No it doesn't, unless you are talking about the super low end GPU release by Nvidia, like the Gefocre 6100/6150 that they rushed out for a temporary solution for OEM, but HP LOVED to put on every laptop as the GPU was virtually free.

The real problem is not the GPU itself, it's the memory type of the GPU. The Quadro uses 64-bit memory. This is not enough for a perfectly smooth UI when it the memory goes at it's slowest speed (100MHz). The solution is either double the speed of the memory, which means double the power consumption of the memory, or go with 128-bit memory which also consumes twice the power.

At full power, the GPU memory goes at 400Mhz, while above the 200Mhz type, therefore you get a perfectly smooth Aero experience even at higher resolutions than 1440x900.

So other video card can afford 128-bit memory or faster memory speed as it's minimum as it's goal of the system is NOT to have 8-9 hours of battery life with a 9-cell, and more in providing GPU power instead. Or they can do it, like Intel latest solution, as the GPU consumes much less power, so they afford to put faster memory, hens why the Intel solution consumes only 2W less over the Quadro.

So, as I explained, Aero is fine for battery usage... I mean you don't really care about ultra smooth experience, and using Nv GPU Pro, you can set your GPU to turn set your graphic card Nvidia powerMizer (Power management of the GPU) to always turn itself off (PowerMizer) when plug-in, meaning the GPU goes full power when you plug-in it, and get the smoothest experience.

If you wonder, Nv GPU Pro, doesn't hack your drivers, and doesn't even need to run on the background. It just changes driver settings that are simply not, but in reality could be, in Nvidia Control Panel. Now this setting in particular, varies on how it works between GPU's architecture and even under drivers. This is where my program comes in. It scans your video card and driver version, and detects how to treat everything so that the effects you perfect using my tool has the highest success rate, with the greatest of ease.

 

Goodbytes, how didn't this happen in Vista with the same nvidia card?. I think Win 7 window animation is designed this way. I saw the choppy window animation even in the Nvidia web page for Win 7.

 

So then we are not talking about the same thing.

 

HD3450 has 64 bit memory too

 

Well we are talking about a different architecture, but as I mentioned it's minimum speed of the memory might be faster, which means reduce battery life.

 

it gets often described as "missing a frame" and happens on the intel integrated graphics, too. doesn't happen on vista.

so it's microsofts fault somewhere (or the gpu drivers have to change some stuff for the new os? dunno). it will for sure be fixed with some update. hope not with sp1, but more soon.

it's really looking like the system is stuttering, nothing that helps to promote that areo on is faster and better for the system

and fun that it works flawless on vista.

 

I think it was done on purpose to skip frames, so that Win7 UI works on low end GPU's, as Vista was really only very nice on a medium-end gaming system upon it's release, which most people didn't have.
Of course, the best solution is to have to a low/med/high settings like the Zune software for the UI... but then it complicate things for the the average user. I believe Win8 will have a very smooth UI, as Microsoft will judge GPU's fast enough. Already we have netbooks with AMD Neo + ATI graphics or Nvidia ION platform (Intel Atom + Nvidia GPU), to make netbooks descent, so we ill have to wait and see.

What I did is disable the minimum/restore animation, as well it seams to feel that the OS is faster as windows/programs it just pop-up's on you, and my Win7 system is on a laptop, and I judge this unnecessary.

 

well, then they could on-puprose skip it on low end gpus (measured trough the WEI, f.e.). and not make it stutter on systems that did perfectly well without the stuttering on vista.

disabling it is reducing usability, but it might fit for you. then again, as win7 so far is just about reducing usability for me, disabling it would be another step why i don't like the win7 ui (the rest is fine actually)

 

Well I don't know.. when I enable the animation, it's smooth on my end.
Stop analyzing frame by frame and live with your system.

I am sorry, but this is perfectly fine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW4uSD3Inyg

It doesn't need to be a freaking movie like under MacOS everytime you minimize a window. Get your pop-corn ready, we are up for a while adventure... The Window Is Minimizing III ! In theaters near you.

Following the WEI is a bad idea.
Because the score is always wrong at first install as you are missing drivers, and most people don't refresh the score. A malware could have fun changing the score (it's a just an XML file with the scores inside).

Vista animation was too slow... I hated it, it was like a MacOS... a movie. In Win7 is perfect. On my desktop I have the minimize/restore/open/close animation on window and programs.

 

well, i don't need to "analyze frame by frame", else i would say "i know it's exactly the ... 13th frame missing".

but still, the stutter is there (the youtube video doesn't show the stutter, but is just terribly looooong doing it's animation ) on several systems i've tested with different gpus.

following WEI is a perfect idea, as it does the same to detect ssds and such and changes it's disk settings accordingly (defragmentation, superfetch, etc).
just because people don't like WEI doesn't mean it doesnt serve it's purpose.

and the activity center could report needs to update WEI.

vista animation is identical to the win7 animation except for the lack of stutter.

don't just bash vista

 

So if that is not the problem, then it's your drivers for your GPU. I just enabled the animation on my laptop, and it's smooth as in the video shown (just normal speed).

 

Disable animations - enjoy.

 

i hate disabling animations as this bombs win7 another step back to 2001 and more early. no thanks, i like to visually see where the window goes to, comes from, what ever, as this visual clue helps me to faster target it. human react very sensitive to motion, thus animations are important visual helpers for them to interact with objects.

there is a reason other than "uh nice" that there are animations. and having them stuttering is not nice.

 

it happens on intel integrated gpus as well as on nvidia gpus.. so i guess it's not drivers per se, but some incompatibility of win7 with most likely direct from vista ported drivers.

 

I have 2 systems with Nvidia graphics and no issue there (see signature), unless by "Nvidia" you mean low-end 2003-2005 Nvidia graphic card architecture.

 

Just saw your video and noticed the stuttering in animation. Anyway I disabled the animation in both Win 7 and Vista (makes the OS snappier).

 

one being geforce 8800 GT. not really low end 2005, no.. (a radeon 9600 has no such stuttering issues btw.. just happened to be able to test on one.. )

 

besides being much too slow (slowed down on purpose?) it has a hard stutter at the end of the animation. after the smooth fade-in it suddenly pops to fully visible. it's a different stutter than i see, but it's definitely not "perfectly fine".

i'm interested if it could be the new thread scheduler that affects this together with certain drivers? no clue.. but it could be.

 

It's powermizer on the Nvidia cards.

 

No, it's Win 7's design.

 

I have this issue with all the drivers I had used till date. I am using the latest Nvidia 186.91 (MS update catalog) driver with my 8400M GT.

 

No, it's not. I disabled Powermizer, and my Aero is now super smooth and super fast.

 

How did you disable powermizer?

 

You can manually edit the registry, but some later versions of the Nvidia drivers do not have all required entries.

See:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=273276

and download Powermizer Switch.

Also, there was another post in this thread about another program which can do it and other things: NV GPU PRO

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5200621&postcount=6

 

Thanks mystery905, I has seen those before. I will give them a try.

 

Let us know how it turns out for you....

 

Anyone have a low-end Nvidia graphic card here?

ex. 9200/9300/9400(M) G/GS or 8400(M) GS

 

Yea I was saying the name of my free a few times on this thread, and I was told it's not it without even testing it.