Alienware 15 R1 CPU ISSUE *WARNING*

THey always test reference clocks at Digital foundry. But where any AMD card stops before an user can add 200mhz as an overclock, I got 500mhz more out of my 970GTX. Thats why it is a fair amount faster than a 290X and a 390.

But for me the heat and driver reliability was always one of the factors to choose for Nvidia. I had a lot of **** experiences with AMD cards. Felt that after years it was not worth my effort anymore. So now got a system with double GTX970's and a system with a 980TI. The latter will be replaced as soon as a real better card will be released. The other system will be dismantled I think. Too costly to maintain 2 full systems and it needs an upgrade because its still a 5 or 6 years old Sandy Bridge based system by now.

 

forget the stock, check on starwars, DX12 games, and moreover AMD always had better hardware, unlike GIMPED nvidia, AMD can be overclocked too.. a 100-150mhz depends on ur brand..

 

Sad state of NVIDIA

lying about direct x 12 /Vulkan hardware support was great ?! 80%of the dgpu market will soon be obscolete because of this.

No hardware async and still not fixed in software apperantly

Kepler is now pathetic against old GCN, Will soon happen to Maxwell

Pay more than 100$ for G-Sync instead of Freesync.

Gameworks is designed to perform bad on AMD (for example it use x64 tessellation) and AMD has to optimize drivers after release but then the benchmarks already are skewed

Pathetic lawsuits against qualcomm and Samsung.

The GTX 970 3.5gb lie

Forced to use the bloated geforce experience for driver updates that break machines

Nvidia do no innovation compared with AMD, which has him far less money (example HBM)

Refusing open standards like freesync and openGL/mantle instead get closed/proprietary gimpworst and G-sync

The throttling 880m that got swept under the rug

Trying to stop overclocking on mobile cards through drivers only to repealed there mistake after people threatening false advertising lawsuits


Don't Believe the hype....What are your firestrike scores???

 

100~150mhz is nothing compared to a full 50% overclock of 500 ofcourse, and that is without a voltage mod, while still having a temperature of around 70c.

DX12 is still unsure. Nvidia didnt enable async shaders in their drivers yet. But in Star wars I have a higher framerate than an overclocked 390. The Division runs faster on the 970, Tomb Raider as well etc. I havent tried any other high profile titles recently. But in all benchmarks I always see them close together except for the latest DX12 titles.

 

Highest single card R9 390 Score I could find
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7912318
Highest single card 970 Score I could find
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7779001

Also Its well known crossfire has better scaling than SLI and has more memory for multiple cards at 4k.. and is cheaper...

 

DX12 Results aren't unsure nvidea is getting slaughtered because the no hardware Async.......Post your result's for your single card?

 

I just did and check the graphic score. Not the overall systems score. For example I use a fairly old CPU now so my physics score is much lower than the links you provided.

There is hardware async but it isnt enabled on driver level. I actually had this discussion a while back and researched about it.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-async-compute-directx-12-oxide-games/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ading-amd-nvidia-and-dx12-what-we-know-so-far

In the end AMD has a stronger Async system available but its a myth that Nvidia cant do it at all. If you read more about this you will also find out that for each card the Async shaders need to be programmed individually because there is no middle road. You or fully support it or you dont with your code. You cant support both with 1 code path at the same time. Now all code paths are made for the AMD version of async computing. None for Nvidia because they simply never even enabled it in driver. Probably because it isnt ready.

But yeah Crossfire scales better. For me the biggest issue of AMD are driver releases. Last year a **** ton of games didnt work well at launch. The Witcher and Project Cars 2 of the most notable titles on that list. Partly because of gameworks but also because AMD just isnt ready with their game specific drivers often.

They didnt lie about this? THey specified since the beginnign what tier of DX12 they supported. In the end both manufacturers dont support all of the DX12 functionality till this day unfortunately. Vulcan is pretty much a bust int he current state and not even a match for DX11 in terms of performance.

Read my previous information.

GCN is just a name they made tons of versions and each version has their own set of functionality not all equal. In the end the same as Fermi > Kepler > Maxwell > Pascal.

Because its actually a hardware scaler in between instead of just using a half baked vesa standard.

Gameworks is designed to perform bad on AMD (for example it use x64 tessellation) and AMD

Tesselation is just Nvidia their strongsuit, why not use it. AMD has another way of doing this such as TressFX and this ofcourse runs better on an AMD. Both companies have proprietary functions to show of their capabilities.

All companies do this to protect their market.

True, that was stupid. The card still worked well though. But each have a history of deceiving their customers. I remember back in the days a moment where AMD was suddenly performing a lot better with their newer drivers. It was due to a lower render quality of the textures etc. Everyone took a look at the numbers only but not the render quality itself.

I know cases where AMD drivers also burned out cards permanently. Both companies have their fair share of **** drivers. In the end Nvidia does have more driver updates before a game is even out.

I think you should check all the patents Nvidia have on what they have innovated. Hardware transform & lightning which was introduced on the original Geforce is what made AMD (as ATI) great after they could use it too. Before that they where always 4th place in the market behind even 3DFX before their demise.

Next to that programmable shaders in consumers cards

Only Does freesync have limitations such as a lower threshold of minimum framerate and allowed before freesync stops working. https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/3b9j1t/can_the_freesync_limitations_be_fixed_or_is_it/

Wasn't this not an issue from the manufacturers itself and their inadequate cooling?

Read the above. It's a fair problem that in ultrabooks such as the Razer blade chips were already getting to hot. It would have hurt their brandname while the manufacturers themselves such as Razer, Gigabyte etc were pretty foolish to push these designs.

I do hope AMD can find a better balance and become a stronger competitor again. A monopoly is never good (looks at intel). But I do think now they arent the best option on the market. Fury with only 4GB will surely be a bottleneck if you have 2 of them and want to run 4K with future games for example. They are just unbalanced. The 390/390X are fast cards, but they are liek fully overclocked out of the gate without any headroom and need a lot more power.

 

Where is the firestike score??? post the link please so I can look at the graphics score?

Nvidea said Async was supported till the Ashes of singularity bencmarks came out then they said the could implement it in software...and still isn't till this day.

Kepler support went out the window as soon as Maxwell was released no way should the 970 be beating the 780ti.

Suing Samsung for inventing the gpu lol

Nvidea can't seem to make windows 10 drivers and have gone down hill while amd is stepping up with there drivers... All the recent drivers I've had have been stable and have had performance increases as of late.

G-sync might be slighty better than freesync but should support both as the can as shown with the g-sync laptops that work without the module.

The 880m was not due to cooling...im not going to dig up the threads or the threads on nvidea website about this. It was due to error codes being thrown the vbios that was caused by the drivers.

Manufactures like msi advertise overclocking with NVidia cards. So what you wont to not be able to overclock? at least give the owner the choice



This is all irrelevant you claimed the over clocked 970 was a FAIR amount faster than the overclocked 390 and 290x where is your link????

 

Again, please read the link I gave you regarding Async. There are a lot of rumros out there based on assumptions. Those are the official statements.

But its true they didnt patch it yet. But its still not out officially.

Kepler never went down the drainr egarding support. Hell I used a 670GTX for 3 years, receiving drivers updates constantly which improved performance. But People look too much to the numbers of the specs. The cores of the maxwell architecture are loads more efficient and have some clever algorithms to perform faster. You can google the youtube video about the differences from Nvidia themselves. It includes an algorithm that the maxwell doesnt need to rewrite a lot of the information in their framebuffer because around 75% of the pixels on screen are the same ones as the next frame. THus they reuse those pixeldata to save bandwidth and have a lower latency. How else did you think they could get that level of performance with 256bit cards? Instead of using a 384 or 512 memory bus.

They didnt sue samsung ebcause of building a gpu. But some patented technology they believed were copied.

I am nto too informed about the 880M so I have to google that.

MSI advertises with it. But they also produce laptops with crap cooling that might again gave Nvidia a bad name.

Nvidia doesnt have windows 10 driver issues. Microsoft does have that. But I still ahve to encounter any error on a Windows 10 system with a Nvidia card installed. Wasnt there a driver a few months ago that caused AMD cards to break down permanently?

Firestrike link: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7865787

Max overclock without volt mod.

 

And your graphics score in firestrike with a single 970 is.....??????

Better be higher that the one a posted above of the 390 by a FAIR bit

Graphics Score
14 854

 

Sjeez I posted the link 2 times. and no it is not higher but a fair bit above the majority of 390s out there. I can do a volt mod run and pass that though. But I run SLI normally and 2 voltmodded cards run too hot in a mATX tower.

 

@rinneh bro i think in oc section nvidia is leading, due to its mono die.. but again if u compare other specs amd is far superior, only if amd had money to put on RND those times, they could have developed better drivers, nvidia invested a huge on software part, and regarding Nvidias Gameworks, they were so greedy and denied to give gamework libs to amd, amd was suffering in games like watchdogs, ac unity. witcher 3, in other hand amd gave tress fx and made other libs open.. unlike nvidia.. right now amd drivers are way much improved and i believe it will overtake nvidia soon, but im not sure about the oc things, it also depends on silicon lottery, my 980M hardly crossed 200 + core, even on my old GTX 560, now its a nightmare for older cards. thats what nvidia does.. i really dont want to compare each other capabilities, and other peoples opinion, im just saying from my own lessons, amd had crappy drivers, but they had better cost ratio. now its even better.. as simple as that. i love both cards, but more to amd...

 

So your comparing your overclocked score against the majority of non overclocked 390's..........

 

Nope they are also not running on stock clock. Funny things. The hall of fame shows verified results which all have been checked. Shows a pretty accurate picture

 

post a link to the highest single 970 then ???? I posted the highest one I could find if you can show me a 970 that scored higher post it up or shut up....

Why would I look on the hall of fame for 970 scores lol

 

And no Im not claiming AMD has the best high end gpu's just that the 970 isn't the best bang for your buck against the 390 as per the original comment you said was ********

Not a FAIR AMOUNT FASTER overclocked or not over clocked. Just a fair amount more expensive ;D

 

lol this reminded me of this thread, alienware is the new mac

 

Thank you for Bump the thread aka keeps it active... So a lot of people can see what BGA hardware will lead to aka a foreseen disaster...
The design of the model and the massive throttling starts in any case to be quite similar the origin, LOL
Dell Tech has now changed maybe 4 or 5 rebadged motherboards without the massive CPU throttling has been fixed. Unbelievable. Give the man a Clevo so he can move on.
@VICKYGAMEBOY Have you heard anything from Dell tech team? Take also a look at this http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/aw-15-r1-throttling.790374/

 

Seriously cant you guys just stay at your part of the forum isntead of cosntant spewing negativity and ignoring the thousands of happy users out there? Its not that CLevo doesnt have their problems. THeir top end models throttled too in reviews. There are always **** examples out there.

 

@Papusan Hey sorry for the long delay, as I was stuck with my works and other stuffs, yes the product development team senior tech person tried to swap with different motherboards including downgraded 4710hq, but somehow it dint go less than 2.6ghz the entire session, so after couple of weeks of conversation with his boss and factory team, he ordered me an Alienware 2016 R2, Skylake Model, with upgraded ram, I mean 16gb DDR4, and extra 256 PCI-E SSD, ill be getting in 10-12days time..he asked me once when testing the game, what is ur expectation, what would make u satisfied, then I told him that "if u guys can upgrade me to skylake I would be much happier" and I guess he took it serious and arranged me a 2nd replacement..

 

Good for you.., I hope this one will work for you Remember it is Difficult to repair garbage. Either get something that work or get back your money. Anything else is unacceptable. You should not have need to go through this mess from the beginning. More of the same Crap from Dell tech team below.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/aw-15-r1-throttling.790374/page-2#post-10237162

 

Sad to see another user with same trouble, Like I said bro, there is no solution, may be a temporary bandaid like undervolting , thermal paste replacement etc etc, or you go stand against dell in front of their office and start a war like I did, cause these people don't easily accept, as u know my whole story how long I had to go through this fighting phase, I could have easily given up, but atlast it paid for me, so yeah please contact dell support and try harder so they give you another unit..

 

Some say this in previous post. <Seriously can not you guys just stay at your party of the forum isntead of cosntant spewing negativity> If no one takes up negative theme like in this or other similar threads... Who can help others to make the right choice or other can get the help they need? I think I have helped a lot. Because I hate to see someone go through this. But some don't thrust your agenda.

 

Very nice. They did the same for me after a screw up. Their support clearly has some issues in your country but glad they rectified this.

if i would read and listen to your posts before i bought my laptop i would not have owned this in my eyes a good product. Sure there are users with issues. But i saw these with every brand. My point, dont over react and prevent the fun of others. You dont like these laptops but others might do.

 

i don't want to interfere into everyone's personal opinion, but as a neutral person i can support this thread and help people to sort out issues, Yes BGA is a bad idea, that i can accept for sure, i don't see any negative about socket systems being used in laptops.. Actually we should keep this thread active, i want to see how many users out there still whose facing issue and what brands are doing about the issue..

 

It took me a lot of effort for me to make them understand.. and regarding the discussion of BGA vs socket, i would support socket hardware from now on, but that doesn't mean if there is revolutionary change in BGA i woudnt support, and also you were right, this was more like a BGA issue rather than just Alienware..in my eyes i still like the design of Alienware, Asus G752, MSI dominator.. anyday i would buy one of this type rather than carrying a bulky laptop, after all don't forget its a laptop, the main functionality of a laptop, meant for portability, which was invented back in days.. not for a desktop replacent, so i don't blame anyone here, but the point of going BGA is where the problem started..

 

Ill update u guys again once i get the new unit

 

Read the reviews, notebookcheck tested various socketed hardware and also they came across throttling. Companies would lose their business if your experiences were that common. It sucks you experienced it ofcourse. But there are thousands of happy users that you would never came across on a forum like this because it is heavily aimed at trouble shooting. I dont think you will have any issues with your replacement unit like this.

I still have to have a malfunctioning and throttling Alienware in my hands.

 

After months and months of reading this thread, I am genuinely happy that you finally got this sorted. It was honestly saddening to read about some of the responses you got from various Dell "Techs" so to read that they have finally caved in and done what they should have done months ago and replaced the machine, is great to hear.

Both @rinneh and I suffered issues with our previous machines (Gigabyte P34W V3), it was a fight to get them to replace my machine after the motherboard failed but they finally did it (which I then immediately sold and got the AW15 R2!), I'm in the UK where I suspect service levels are a touch better than your country due to certain laws we have so I naturally recoiled in anger when reading about your troubles.

Persistence pays, good job

 

Those that are experiencing throttling...
Could you please post steps or games using to trigger said throttling?
I am trying to recreate this on my system.
I have off and on throttling. It seems the system is barely stable and bandaided. I have been trying to show Dell this but it really would help if I had definitive proof and an easy way to recreate.
Thanks!

 

I don't know if it has been mentioned but has anyone experienced this type of throttling on the skylake BGA models yet? ie: 15 r2 or 17 r3 variants?

 

Not that I know of....

 

I have not yet experienced this.

 

Here ya go:



From 60fps to around 30 due to i7 4710q going to 800mhz, heck I even feel bad for Treyarch, started a tweet war with them :/