MAX Q

GTX 1060 6Gb vs 3 gb for the lols today here and now. You know, just in case the situation you're describing isn't fun and exciting enough I couldn't quite tell

 

More Nvidia lies but we keep on taking it from them :'(

 

If you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic in that the MaxQ design will perform really close, and according to their numbers it "looks" like it might but with 1/3 the wattage gutted out from it and 15% of the core speed dropped, the only way that any of these benchmarks make sense is on games where the wattage isn't going much over 110 watts... or their MaxQ test unit had a custom vbios with a higher wattage to eliminate throttle completely. Any game that utilizes a 1080 near full power consumption you will see the MaxQ variant fall apart.

Plus if you read my prior messages in this thread I've been rather against MaxQ the whole time. Buying MaxQ is like buying a racecar with the racing engine taken out of it and swapped for a pinto engine.... maybe not that bad but that is how it feels.

 

I would say it's like a car company advertising a compact car with a sports car V8 only to find that while it's definitely a V8 shoved in there, 2 cylinders are disabled and it's a CVT.

 

But charge you the same high price. Here home we have one of the most rigid taxes on automobiles. But one thing is crystal clear... If you opt for a car with less HP aka "crippled" performance in same engine, you will pay less!! Not same or more due less noise and better working Aircondition. The prices here is tied hard to the advertised performance from the engine!! Get less, pay less!! But of course... You can be screwed by some ****y salesman. Mostly in the used car segment. Not so much if you buy a brand new car.

 

Cool, too bad, I was hoping you were gonna buy one so we could get first hand benchmark results

 

I am most interested in how these chips are cooled... Considering my m11x couldn't properly cool a 540m while on a cooling pad, fan sounding like a vacuum and on a winter day. There's a few posts of my temps on here I believe from years ago. I'd like to compare how much volume is open for airflow on a few MAX Q laptops vs my m11x. I know it's an ancient baby but still it was thick and tons of air moved through that thing. Could blow a pile of papers a foot away off the table.

 

High Airflow and thick chassis isn't enough if the rest of the cooling aka HS, pipes and heatsink grills isn't properly dimensioned for the heat and wattage. Everything must be properly done. Not half done!! Good cooling cost money... Higher expenses will only lower the income. The quality comes second or last.

 

They say when you get to car analogies you lose your computing cred but eh, I like these ones

 

@Papusan @hmscott @Tanner@XoticPC

Finally figured out what we can call Max-Q while watching British Television

Max-Quid

Quid - British slang for money (pound sterling)

That's what I'll be calling it from now on, feel free to use it

 

We did have a British story where Quid = Money as @ThatOldGuy said.

 

My teeth just turned crooked from the sound waves that came out from reading this lol.

Oh man. They're gonna slam the silicon that couldn't make the cut in these like I said before I can see it now. My PCH woes suddenly seem smaller.

 

Asus gx501v1 max-quid, I mean max-quiet starts at $2699
https://rog.asus.com/articles/g-ser...rings-hardcore-gaming-to-ultra-slim-laptops/#

No news from AW yet

 

And of course with the 7700HQ. Probably can't cool 7820HK. Nice combo

 

Wasn't trying to spin it as good. I'd be a little disappointed to find that out about a car, since I'd prefer instead of a handicapped bigger engine they just put in a more efficient small engine appropriate to the frame.

 

It's a shame as the direction of MAX-Q is to push for looks (smaller chassis) than substance (performance).

 

Putting a 10xx's on a laptop was the biggest turn around and now they are putting a MAX-Q BS going backwards. Facepalm

AW @E3 showed some brand new stuff but failed to fix the heatsink problem with their laptops.

 

I think if they would just label it in a way that more reflects its performance relative to existing GPUs it wouldn't be a problem. A card that performs between a 1060 and a 1070, regardless of whether it's a 1070 chip should be called a 1060+ or 1060 Ti or something. Calling it something vague like 1070 Max-Q or like I fear manufacturers might spec it, just 1070, makes users think it's on par with or better than a 1070, and that should be avoided.

 

It's a Scam!! I wonder how many buyers who will be screwed.

 

I have the same fear as well. OEM might sell the MAX Q version and normal laptop Pascal GPU indifferently. End users will suffer greatly if this happens.

 

That's a great point, as the same with Vasudev. We may have just seen the only era where notebook and desktop cards were nearly indistinguishable from each other and are regressing back to platform exclusive chips.

 

We need a change, OEMs being totally transparent about components used in their line-ups. For example, a clear cut picture of MAX Q vs Normal NV 10 series GPU and about the CPU boost clocks.
In near future, this will be mandatory.

 

And nothing as misleading as this:

 

The Dell guy in this video is speaking English...starts at 00:37

So apparently the Max-Q in the Dell product is set to 110w, which is the "fastest Max-Q 1080 laptop out there", "other Max-Q 1080 laptops are so slow in comparison that they may benchmark slower than a full power 1070", quotes from the Dell guy...

So there you have it, confirmation from "Dell" that "other" Max-Q 1080's are as slow or slower than a full power 1070 laptop

Dell and Alienware at E3. GTX 1080 and 1060 Max-Q [ger.]

 

Didn't know they were giving manufacturers that much leeway in power. Interesting.

 

Okay great, they want to put that thing into their laptops, fine. But first they should try to fix the grill with their laptops.

 

Maybe we'll see a MAx Q 1080 SLI.

 

Yooo mean a brand new AW18? With a single Delta 330w psu and with a power cap. Aka same as before Yeah, it could be true

Maybe yoo remember Mr. Azor claimed-asserted that the other Companies pushed out 1080 graphics with crippled power limits?

 

I suspect LGA will make a comeback since BGA can't handle extreme power, so yeah full Volta on notebook with LGA CPU to prevent bottlenecks.

 

Not from Dell. Will never ever happen as long Dell is the owner!! + MR. AZOR is the vice President for the Alienware and the XPX brand.

 

Haha, oh boy, Mr. Azor...does he even realize they already have low quality systems? That so called holy grail a.k.a Graphics Amplifier is also kind of a failed product, why? It's often times incompatible unless you get a driver update from them which sometimes takes months. And that 15% decrease in performance is no good too.

"I am an overclocker" - Maybe you are but everyone can take that role.
"and extreme performance enthusiast" - Again, maybe you are but the question is are you using the product that your company built??? Cos most of your products from pre-built desktops, laptops, and the so called holy grail a.k.a graphics amplifier, seems to perform poorly, sir. And that is not an old fashioned Alienware-hating talk, it's based from experience and hundreds of other users throughout the web.

 

Yooo talk about quality systems. Yeah, I know. I expected Azor have the knowledge and should know better.

 

I think it was MrFoxRox that said those two things. Azor's responses are the bolded text. Not to take away from your points though, which I agree with!

 

MrFoxRox = @Mr. Fox here on the forum. And he jumped the AW sinking ship very fast!!

 

Oh well, they could be next to Razer when it comes to failed products

My bad. I thought the whole paragraph was a response to Mr.Fox

 

They both share the same philosophy!! Want to be the Apple in the Windoze World. Thin, flimsy aka light and with good battery life for "gaming on the go".

 

Well, @Papusan there's a bit of hope. If competitors like HP, Lenovo and other OEM jump to LGA laptop, Dell will be forced to it as well. If we want to see Core i9 on BGA it will perform only 60% of its max. potential because cooling requirements are lacking. Or maybe Intel will call 'em MAX-i series?
AW/Dell must use 7820HK CPUs on AW as standard [for Regions with high ambient temps] and full pascal/volta GPUs with separate heatsink like m17x.

 

It's already 6 core 45W core i7 BGA on its way. Yeah, call it Max-i7 series, fits very well You can't fit LGA socket into none of the AWbooks. All too thin!! See... Even the new Asusbook who comes with Ryzen 1700 is about 34mm thick. And fully locked down for Overclocking!! Very nice!! Probably because the cooling isn't up to date due the thinness. Expect 45w chips as usual. The never notebook models will only be thinner. Just look at what Nvidia offer... Max-Q!!

 

At least AW are being honest with this, and their point about the higher wattage and better cooling is true, that's a far more capable chassis than most max Q laptops. Really looking forward to seeing some benchmarks now. I think they said the Max Q 1080 15r3 is out on the 27th, wonder if we'll see more info before then, or if reviewers can get them sooner?

 

The truth about the limitations of Max-Q are now well known, so any vendor now announcing information about their participation in Max-Q are under extreme scrutiny, and need to be forthcoming to answer the questions we all have about performance under Max-Q limitations.

Alienware's "Max-Q" product might not actually qualify as "Max-Q" as announced by Nvidia and the initial 3 partners, given Alienware's significantly higher TDP of 110w vs 90w(?).

The AW 15.6" has a significantly detuned 1080 @ 110w TDP down from 180w(?) TDP in the AW 17.3" model.

That 70w TDP drop has got to hurt performance a lot, and being only 10w TDP higher than a stock 1070 @ 100w in the AW 15.6" model, that can't be much of a bump in performance over an OC'd 1070 already shipping in the AW 15.6".

It is going to be interesting to see the AW 15 1070 OC scores already published as compared to the new AW 15 1080 "Max-Q", even with 10w more power than the 1070 it can't provide much of a real gaming performance boost.

 

I guess we'll have to see, it's marketed as Max Q so it should qualify, I believe the nvidia wattage was a guide not a limit. Wonder if the max Q card can be overclocked too?
And all manufacturers won't be anywhere near that forthcoming. At all. Asus haven't said how their Zephyrus max Q might not be much more powerful than an OC'd 1070. Razer never said their 1080 RBP isn't anywhere near 1080 power, (even though that's not technically MQ). I imagine Dell are just saying it cause theirs is more powerful than everyone else's. And 10% more power can provide a decent boost, especially on a more powerful card.

 

Alienware's 17.3" 1080 originally shipped detuned in TDP and frequency, and although 2 BIOS updates provided more TDP and higher clocks, the performance boost was pretty small:
https://na.alienwarearena.com/ucf/s...st/update-your-gtx-1080-vbios-on-alienware-17

The original 3 partners towed Nvidia's line for release, not mentioning that which was obvious, and quickly shown. They will eventually need to release official specifications and benchmarks that show what they are really shipping. The reviewers and owners will publish real info on the shipping product if nothing else.

For all of these products it will be best to wait for shipping product reviews with benchmarks comparing real 1070 / 1080 results vs. each version of Max-Q product's, since apparently it's not set in stone what the specifications are to qualify to call it a Max-Q product.

Last time I checked MSI wasn't even using the Max-Q name in their online product pages.

The whole idea of Max-Q is to "optimize" the cooling and power delivery of the laptop to always deliver the maximum performance under the limits of noise output. So in true Max-Q mode there is no such thing as additional OC.

If you disable Max-Q, removing all the limits, you are still stuck with an under powered and under cooled chassis with a 1080, so unless you want cyclone rated fan noise, you won't get much more performance out of it than with Max-Q turned on.

Max-Q is a tough situation all the way around, trying to stuff 10lbs of performance into a 2.5lb sack

 

I expect you have seen comments about components used isn't dimensioned for OC capabilities. And BGA graphics components isn't of same quality as MMX. + Nvidia will demand crippled firmware.

 

So, now we are dealing with varying degrees of crippled trash? A sliding scale for turdbooks? Nice! Midget wrestlers with no gonads, LOL.

 

LMAO!!!!!!! Thats the best description of Max Q I have heard yet...

 

We gotta stop feeding the trolls over at Nvidia greedforce engineering department by not buying their so called new garbage stuff.

 

so even as an extra watered down GPU max still makes too much heat and sucks too much power for a light gaming/web surfing laptop.

 

As a midget wrestler with no gonads I find max-Q even more infuriating and offensive. It is an insult to our kind.

 

Maybe under-powered mutants who are weaker than average humans.

 

ASUS GX501V Zephyrus Unboxing!
Still unreleased...so no power on, just unboxing.

Release countdown page...
https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ROG-ZEPHYRUS-GX501VI/