MAX Q

So tempted to sell my 15 r3 to buy this. If the max q 1080 can match my 1070 and the fan noise/cooling is on point I just might have to.

 

Thats assuming Asus actually allows that 1080MQ to function at 105-110 Watts and does not thermal throttle...

 

It's so expensive though... completely fitted out with enough RAM and storage it's gonna top $3k, for 1070 performance...

It might be worth waiting for the 1070 Max-Q laptop release(s) to see how much they cost and how close to a 1070 vs 1060 the performance is.

Since 1070's have been in slim laptops, it's possible the Max-Q 1070 might meet 1070 performance in full unlocked mode. Then you could use Max-Q 40db mode for quiet operation. All for less $.

 

Slim quiet high refresh rate performance is my holy grail. I paid $2600 for the 15 r3 and I'm willing to pay a bit more if Max Q is what Nvidia says it is. Realistically I shouldn't be getting my hopes up but its nice to dream.

 

Yeah, and that's what Nvidia is counting on, people paying for a dream...

Isn't AW going to release a 1080 Max-Q 15" too?

It's supposed to be even higher performance than normal 1080 Max-Q.

AW said they will set a TDP of 110w instead of the normal Max-Q 1080 90w... kind of a Super Max-Q

Please come back and post a review here when you get yours

 

I'm pretty sure they're staying with the same chassis so its not as thin. No offense to the current chassis because its stunning. I'll be holding off on any Max Q purchases till reviews come out, not falling for nvidias **** so easily haha.

 

Well if you are after performance, the more TDP, and better cooling, the better performance you will get.

The thinner the case, the less room for cooling and power, the worse the performance will be. So getting a full sized chassis and large screen would provide the best chance to get the best performance.

Why is thin so important to you??

 

The asus chassis is a dog. That mechanic when tbe screen opens and the base pops up is a reliability nightmare. Not even speaking about the ergonomics. Its ditches everything in favor of thinness.

 

Looks like Razer-esque laptop. I hope non MAX Q will get that stand to uplift the laptop to circulate air. Laptop with Steklo X stand integrated.

 

Its just a dream.

I only use my gaming laptops for league on the go and having a loud bulky laptop can be annoying. I need just enough performance to get a constant 120 fps for high refresh rate gaming on league. You think this wouldn't be a problem with low end GPUs but league can actually be a bit demanding.

Noise > Performance > Portability imo

 

To all the people saying that the 1080 Max-Q in the Alienwares will be faster... and to quote something old yet relevant... "A polished turd, is still a turd."

and 110 Watts vs 90 Watts... you are going from 1060 to 1070 wattage range, and unless the efficiency is increased THAT much which it will not because its the same exact chipset... you are seeing, at best GTX 1070 performance AT BEST under heavy load where the GPU is being maxed out on wattage draw. 110 watts compared to the 1080's 180 watts is a HUGE difference.

Assuming BOTH 1080GTX and MaxQ cards have the same setup, with the exception of MaxQs special cooling, both cards will perform near identical upto 110 watts, then every watt pulled beyond that, the GTX1080 will pull ahead further and further.

Keep in mind the Nvidia tests that were released, were not even 4K or 1440p tests, they were 1080p which is an even lower draw on the GPUs.

 

Actually the thin laptop will be louder than the bulky laptop, given the better cooling system in the larger laptop it doesn't need to work as hard and can run fans quieter for the same performance as the thin laptop.

With the 39db Max-Q limiter on your performance will be severely limited, as the fans will be slowed down to the point where they will not be efficient at eliminating heat - they need to run faster to expel more heat, so the GPU will be at it's highest throttle setting.

To get the highest performance in that thin laptop the fans will need to run at 100% to expel the most heat. That can only happen when you unlock or disable all the Max-Q throttling.

So the thin laptop will be much noisier at the performance settings needed for gaming.

You do know that even the thin laptop will need to plug in to AC for gaming, right? Both the slim and full sized laptops need to be on AC power to get the best performance.

So a thick laptop with bigger space for cooling, and fan curve tuned for quiet operation, medium quiet, normal, and loud for highest performance will perform better and just as quiet as a Max-Q at higher performance for each fan curve setting.

With a slim laptop with small cooling mass / volume, it doesn't have the range available for high performance operation while running quietly that the full sized "thick" laptop has.

 

I never said it was better - I was being sarcastic, it was said with a

90w vs 110w isn't enough to make a difference you can feel, let alone measure.

A full 1080 at 180-200w+ is double that of the Max-Q 1080's, now that's a difference you will see, feel, and measure.

The fun part will be when AW 15.6" 1070 at high OC performance, already measured and published, is compared to AW 15.6" Max-Q 1080 performance

 

was in reference to others who are hopeful More of a PSA kind of thing.

 

Yes this is what I was honestly thinking. I know thin equals less room for cooling and smaller fans equals louder noise but my friends and Nvidia have been getting this idea in my head that Max Q will be quiet which I don't believe. I'm just going to wait and see what the tech has to offer but yes I know my expectations shouldn't be so high because right now its impossible to have that kind of performance in such a thin laptop without noise or it catching on fire haha.

 

That's where the mutually exclusive operational modes of Max-Q come into play

The quiet mode, 39-40db is a mode singularly focused on quiet operation. In quiet mode there isn't enough cooling to get top performance from the GPU, it's throttled relentlessly to keep thermal load from overpowering the fans running in quiet mode.

The performance mode, highest performance is when all the Max-Q throttling limiters are disabled, and the GPU can run at the highest performance that the 100% fan's can support.

Once thermal limit is reached under Max-Cooling (100% fan speed), then there is no more thermal load the laptop can handle, and the throttling is real this time.

You need to have excellent cooling capacity to give excellent performance, and less excellent capacity for cooling will give less than excellent performance.

Max-Q isn't any kind of useful maximum at all, in fact it's the minimum performance a 1080 can deliver - well below even the slowest real 1080 laptop.

The Razer 1080 laptop is the model for Max-Q, to put a 1080 in a slim laptop and make it under perform down to 1070 levels, and charge high dollars for the privilege of owning one.

It's a very special mixture of slight of hand, the magic is in the deception, not the function.

That's why early on I referred to the mutually exclusive quiet and high performance claims of Max-Q as "magical". It's simply unbelievable that you could simultaneously have 39db quiet operation and full performance operation at the same time.

 

I'm surprised razer haven't been punished for breaking nda with max-Q

 

What NDA? Several companies already stated what models will have Max-Quid. The first comes out in a few days from ASUS

 

they broke nda because the blade pro was the first laptop with 1080 max-q

 

That's a great explanation, thanks!

 

Basically when you compare the two cards together, 1080 and 1080max-Q based on what we know of reduced core speeds as well as reduced power usage AS well as this being *Performance* and not the noise saver mode:

* At 110 Watts MAX, the cards will perform close to eachother in performance. Assuming the vendors do 110 watts and not lower.
* Once the 1080 hits 165 Watts, the MaxQ card is now around 66% of a 1080. (165/110 = 2/3 the performance)
* Once the 1080 hits 180-190 Watts, the MaxQ card is around performing around 58% of a 1080.

Once the Noise Saver mode is engaged, it will perform maybe around a 1050 at best I can assume but depending on the vendor... that button/switch will simply make it quiet so you can 'game' while in class while doing computer work and the lack of fan noise will not tip off the teachers.

Thats probably the best thing I can see it useful for. But costing as much as my unit costs right now given how the vendors price things, only the stupid and gullible will purchase it, or those who are in dire need of moderate (not great) performance on the go in an ultra thin machine.

But heres one question I have for you guys/gals who have 1080's. For the average game you guys play on a continual basis such as CoD or any AAA title, what is your wattage/power draw on just the GPU? For every 11 Watts OVER 110, your 1080 is performing 10% stronger than the MaxQ variant.

 

I don't see how 110W will be possible, in laptops this thin, as we haven't made any technological breakthroughs in laptop cooling solutions.

 

Thats whats been reported on the highest wattage those cards would reach, if we assume 90Watts as a more realistic number, that means based on power consumption given the same board, a 1080MaxQ will be half as strong.

As reference from what they have seen: https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.224730.0.html And they really haven't been too wrong in the past.

If half the power is a given, we could be looking at something as weak as 970m/1050ti at best, maybe?

 

There are 2 1080 Max-Q benchmarks that I have seen, they show +1% faster than a 1070 laptop average result, and +3% faster than a 1070 laptop average result, both about 15% slower than a 1070 desktop average result.

Here is one, I'll see if I can dig up the other one... @Papusan ?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Max-Q
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.224730.0.html

Benchmark results from their test:


Notebookcheck has pages for 1060 Max-Q and 1070 Max-Q results, but no results posted yet...

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Max-Q
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.224734.0.html

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Max-Q
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Max-Q-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.224732.0.html

(post brought over from the other Max-Q thread for reference)
New Clevos with Max-Q?

 

But can it play Crysis?

 

You like Mexican wrestling. xD

 

Everything plays Crysis but the probability of buying new computer parts increases exponentially for every millisecond spent under 60 Fps with temps above 75C.

That's pretty much all of you guys.

 

There is no word that can best describe this trash.

 

The only thing trash about this is its hefty price tag and the use of its 1080 name to market. Otherwise you got to give it some credit to be able to cram an equivalent 1070 prowess into an ultrabook like laptop using only 60% of its power. It will capture a market alright and of course it will cost you a kidney as well.

 

Perhaps people that are this silly don't mind selling a few of their body parts to pay for junk. Silly things for silly people?

 

You mean the short review from this ACER JOKEBOOK?

EXACTLY!!! Nvidia + the ODM's GOING BACKWARDS!! Less for more. Nvidia could continue with the old mobile naming and pushed out new cards as before. But this would probably not give the same cash flow as this "new" name branding.

 

Interesting. Their opening statement contains an oxymoron.

 

There are always those around. Looking silly from missing limbs to match with silly things they buy?

 

And we have only seen the beginning. Just wait for Volta Max-Qrippled. If this Laptop is called Super-Slim high-end gaming laptop... What can we expect next year?

 

But, it doesn't do it any quieter than a normal laptop would be.

If you have the noise limits set, the performance will be way lower than even a 1070.

The only way to get 1070 performance is to run with the limits off, and then it's limited physically by the undersized PSU and the cooling made for a 1070 instead of the full sized 1080 - so the fans will need to run at 100% for best performance.

 

Yeah, that's interesting, it's the same source - referenced in the 1080 Max-Q page... oh, well - I guess we wait for the release reviews for confirmation.

 

We already have a 1070 in laptops with thin chassis so what's the point of selling this MQ? Just freaking undervolt and do a good repaste, pad replacements and you're good to go.

 

And, the full 1070 laptop is about $1000 less than the Max-Q 1080.

 

In the part number they are keeping the M....the GPU in the Triton is the GP104M (don't remember the number)....so yeah it seems they are reintroducing the M cards but leaving it out of the marketing.
They should just call it the 1080M and get on with it.

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I know...so I still don't understand it why they want to market this MQ...it's a big question mark. It's got less power, pricey....huuuuuuuh????

 

When the desktop cards were released late 2015... Aka the fully 980. The price was turned up for these new cards vs. the weaker 980M. Now, Ngreedia waited with pushing out *NEW* Max-Qrippled aka old M and set the same price tag as the faster desktop version. Only one word for this behavior... SCAM!!

 

But can it Blend?

 

Thanks for the linkage, It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out as I am one who would love to lighten my load, I haven't weighed the total of my gaming equipment but I bet it's well over 10 pounds so cutting a few pounds off would be great but there is no way I'm doing it if i have to sacrifice performance, I also like to be able to OC and I doubt any of theses this chassis will allow me to do that.

 

@Papusan @hmscott @Mr. Fox

For all their hype at Asus with the bottom opening on their Max-Quid... There is another bottom cover underneath .
Couldn't they have just put grills there and propped it up with rubber feet??


Also that PCH! Not only is the PCH not cooled, a heat pipe passes MM from it. So it will get ambient heat from the pipe, but won't be able to effectively transfer heat to the pipe(s)

 

Maybe we would get an option to select body part we wish sell via PayByyPart service exclusively for MAX Q Limited edition, Super high quality silicon lottery

 

Blender?

 

^^^^THIS^^^^

Or as the Valley Girls used to say, "Like, totally... I'm sure. Like, gag me with a spoon."

 

@shadowyani didn't get my 10 year old meme ("But can it play Crysis?"), so I responded with another 10 year old one

 

Of course I I got the joke I was also a perpetrator of it! I meant to say even if you can play Crysis you'll never be happy because Crysis performance problems of any kind causes one to open up wallet...

... You know, the exact thing that will happen when max Q owners realize their chips are throttling because 40 decibels is offensive to laptops apparently. Watch them run back to the store for a full-fat laptop just to play Crysis properly.

Crysis was more of a money sink for me than I'd like to admit lol...