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But that's with the 7820K right? Apparently the Kabylake 60Hz Gsync alone is already 300$ more. A 7820K with probably be another 200 on top of that. As always it depends on the individual users needs, but if all he needs is a gaming laptop, I can't see a 6700HQ with 8 threads really bottlenecking games anytime soon. But I guess I could install GTA5 and max it out and see how much it stresses mine

 

If you aren't up to benching/overclocking a 6820HK would do just fine for gaming. 6700HQ is just plain crap!

If you have to rely on computing power, just go over to MSI's Tornado F5 thread. I'm sure they'll bench 5,2Ghz with their 7700K anytime soon!

 

Edit: It's the MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado) F5 thread!

 

No in Hell a soldered Kaby lake can run 5.2GHz It will snow skywards before it happens!!

 

Ahh I see you mean a actual desktop CPU lol. I was giving my opinion on the CPUs in the alienwares in which he is looking at. Imo I'd still stick with a Alienware since the price is very good, theres many ways to reduce the price besides actual sales and its thinner + offers better warranties

 

Quick question so i recently received my Alienware 15 R3 with a 6820HK... I noticed they just released the 7820HK.. is the return/exchange for this model worth the hassle? Thanks guys

 

I would, provided price is the exact same. If you are saving money by going skylake, then save the money as the performance is about the same.

 

Thanks mate.
I dont overclock and only occasionally game so not that much gain I see.

 

You have no solid evidence that the 7820HK cannot reach 5+ on a properly overclocked system.

 

Are the speed differences between the 6820hk and 7820k that minimal?


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My desktop 7700K goes up to 5GHz at around 1.35-1.38v with a good cooling setup, so I kinda doubt that the 7820hk will do much better. In general it seems that the Kaby Lake clocks around 300MHz higher than the Skylake generation.

 

Price won't be the same. It's like 300 more for a worse screen and the new processor.


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Stick with what you got. Better screen and cheaper... WIN-WIN

 

From what most people are saying, yes. I think it will mainly come down to cooling. You may be able to get 100-200 more mhz out of it but then again, maybe not. None the less, if you can get a deal on a skylake HK you are not really missing much it seems. This is different on the non HK, I would say in that case, go with kaby for the higher factory clock.

 

It seems GTA5 (is this considered one of the most, if not the most, CPU intensive?) does run the 6700HQ around 70-90% fully maxed out @ 3840x2160. Probably less to do with the resolution and more to do with the many different setting intensity's like view distance, population distance, shadow distances, etc. I really can't imagine another game being more intensive than GTA5 if not Watchdogs2. I only have the first one, but I really don't want to install that sad excuse of a videogame release (game isn't too bad, but its the start of learning of developers intentionally hindering games). So yeah, imo, the 6700HQ should be more than good enough until probably GTA6 lol. Though there's a few space videogames that are even more intensive than GTA5, idk the names.

Tl;dr, GTA5 maxed runs 6700HQ @ 70-90%. If anyone is curious about some other games I can check them as long as I own them. May checka few myself for comparison reasons

Just ran Shadow Warrior 2 and I am surprised to see that that seems to run around 80% @ 2.9Ghz. I am kinda curious what my desktop 4790K @ 4.0Ghz reaches now.. the 6700HQ is starting to seem a bit like the bare minimum when it comes to maxing games I guess. I still can't recommend +300$ for a 5% kabylake increase and worse screen. But maybe you should go with a 6820K if you really plan on using the laptop for 2+ years. I was always under the impression that Quad core 8 threads were barely being taxed, but then again this is my first gaming laptop I've owned.

 

I have not seen results from 7820BGA. There are no results out there to show evidence. But I have my doubts that you can bench every possible benchmark with +50x. What about 24/7... What can be expected? Shared heatsink with full load on graphics and cpu will pull down a decent CPU overclock. These are two different things... Bench or run 24/7 with just the CPU or put CPU + GPU in fully load

 

Notice the 4K scores though. For gaming laptops, the real world difference is only around 12%. The 960 Pro is WAY more expensive than a standard Toshiba SSD. You will see a difference when doing things like large file copies or backups, but multiple real world tests show that NVME is a waste on a laptop. For SQL or Oracle on a server? Freaking A, the difference is dramatic. but for a game, not so much.

I had actually ordered one a while back as I thought my boot time would be way faster, but after doing some research, I cancelled the order and went with another 1TB 850 EVO M.2. The 2.5 inch 2TB 850 EVO would be a better value I think, as most of your games could probably fit on that SSD. NVM express over fabrics is going to change the IT storage industry though. SCSI is finally going to go away, along with mechanical drives.

 

I didn't do it to be wowed by the real world performance, i was happy with SATA 3 SSDs before getting this laptop, this is my first NVMe machine lol. The 960 Pro seemed like a drive I can use for years across systems and wont regret it and the price was not bad ($330 I believe)

 

Worse screen? You can get Kaby with the 120hz 4ms FHD screen.
What is that worse then? If you are in a region where the 120Hz is not available with the 120Hz panel then I would wait, it will be available soon.

They are stock 300Mhz difference. However this does not indicate how they are binned.
Because they have higher stock clocks they possibly could overclock higher.
However since no one has tested them yet we have to wait and see how this plays out.

The price of the 7700HQ stayed the same. You have to look at the "market price", the sales change all the time and it just so happens recently there was a change in the sales after the holidays.
The change is price is not related to the processor as the 1080 configs which currently still have Skylake processors also went up.
So far from the information we have from the 7700hq and some leaks it seems the Kaby procs are going to be the same price.

With that said though as mentioned before, desktop kaby seems to run hotter. Some tested processors were running hotter even running the same clocks as 6700K.
So I would wait to see people test the processors before deciding.

 

Desktop Kaby Lake runs hotter b/c it is just an overclocked skylake with a better igpu. The only real advantage is the igpu and you can only use that without gsync. Now it is also the case that it has better stock clocks but clock for clock it is the same as skylake. They have made it easier to OC the kaby lake cpus as compared to skylake but the difference is not big.

Also it looks like you can only get gsync displays now for the AW15R3...

 

Jesus **** read the post dumbass.

The unit that costs $300 more will come with a worse screen - a 60 hz gsync screen.

Yes you can get the 120 hz screen, for more cost still. So $600 more.

I was replying to a post that said "if they cost the same go for it" - replying stating they do not in fact cost the same.

My reply had nothing to do with what options might be available.



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Lol you are right I guess I read that wrong, but it seems so did you.
Why did you even bring up the LCD. The original post that MSGaldenzi was replying to, Charles7970 saying that he noticed that there was a 7820HK when he bought a 6820HK.
He was wondering if it was worth the hassle to try and exchange or return the 6820HK and get a 7820HK.
They both are going to have the 120Hz panel! There are no other screen options but the 120Hz for the HK processors.
Also your statement is completely wrong. The 7820HK and the 6820HK are exactly the same price.
So you were saying? Regardless, even if I made a mistake no one here has time for your unintelligent name calling. Please check that BS at the door. KKTHX.

EDIT: Ok I guess I was wrong, that the old 6820HK 15's had a an FHD option.
That means you assumed that Charles7970 had a regular FHD screen when he didnt even state that.
Regardless, my last statement still is relevant. Chill out.

 

any reviews/feedback regarding the 15.6 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) 120Hz TN+WVA Anti-Glare 400-nits Display with G-Sync Enabled on these machines? are they better than the 120hz 5ms panel msi is offering on the gs73?

 

Well, visually I don't notice a difference between this 120Hz you mentioned and my ASUS VG248QE. The difference is noticeable on UFOtest, 120 vs 144. But in game I honestly don't even see any benefit to GSYNC. Maybe cuz I prefer to lower settings and maintain a constant 120 or 60fps, vs having a game maxed and running it around 40 or so. Which I guess doesn't really answer your question... i'd say its gonna be about the same, since ingame it pretty much is the same as my 144Hz 1ms

 

What I do find funny is that the only way to get the 7820HK without gsync is via the AW17.

Ironically this makes the AW17 a better portable rig for use on the go than the smaller AW15 which people normally by over the 17 because the 15 is more portable but still has a 1070. It is like things are backwards, generally you would expect people buying the 17 care more about gaming than battery life and would want gsync above all else while the 15 buyers would want a more balanced approach.

 

Yeah it's dumb. It's all pretty much the same stuff, the main difference is the screen size and heatsink size. Obviously can't put a 17inch on a 15 and you obviously can't fit the 17's HSF in the 15, but there's really no excuse for limiting the builds so much. However you can kinda fix that like I did... I had a Dell employee I found on Facebook make me a quote for a laptop, cuz she gave 15% off, I pretty much told her I wanted the GTX 1060, small battery, 8GB RAM, 1080 60Hz screen. Which they didn't offer that, they only offered that with 16GB of RAM (at least at the time), but it obviously can be done whether it was sold or not. But yeah, she/Dell allowed it. But I ended up returning that anyway for a way better laptop for like 40$ more due to black friday says @ Dell

 

any idea the response time on the aw panels?

 

a few of us seem to be getting "build complete" emails for our kaby orders so hopefully they'll be in our hands soon, fixed.

 

Hey sorry for not clarifying but I have the configuration with the 4K display.. should I have gone with the 1080 120hz display?


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Really depends. I like the 4k and IGZO is way better than TN IMO.

 

We hopefully more people will hop on twitter and let it be known we want to see some 7820HK without gsync.

 

I 100% agree, really annoying that they only give the 7820HK in the 120Hz G-Sync model right now.

 

Although if your going to be forced to gsync it might as well be 120hz because if I was using something as slow as a 60hz ips I would much rather have it hooked up to the igpu for battery savings...

Given the 10% discount ends in about a day and a half and that there is now no non gsync options for the AW15, despite there being one even with the 4k display showing up for a few days before vanishing, we will see something new at the end of this week...

 

Love mine! bright, crisp, and fast. But those with the non-GSYNC screens are seeing much better battery life, so keep that in mind. I keep mine plugged in all the time, as it replaced a desktop. I think I posted a pic a while back in this thread. No light bleeding at all. It seems some of the IPS screens on the R3 have significant light bleeding and panel glue issues, but those may be fixed by now, as are the heating and non-uniform core temps. The current shipping models should have most of the bugs rung out.

 

Thanks! Any idea of the response time? I plan to also use it plugged in 24/7. Thinking of this bec its more portable than my current 770dm plus it looks b@d@$$

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The problem is as they explained it to us (Team LHz) on a conference call with Umar and Dell engineers, is that they simply cannot have every single possible motherboard config.
The reason this is the case is because each config with a different processor and GPU obviously requires its own motherboard.
To make matters worse each GSync config also needs its own motherboard.

For example on the Alienware 17, if you had a 7820HK + a 1080 with a 4K monitor there would need to be a separate 7820HK + 1080 + 120hz Gsync mobo just from changing the LCD option.
The reason this happens is because when you G-Sync certify a notebook config nvidia requires the use of a G-Sync LCD per the licensing so you cannot simply GSync certify the 7820HK + 1080 Mobo and put either a 4k monitor or a QHD Gsync monitor.
So then add that to other configs like the 7700HQ and the 1070. You would need a different mobo for every possible config. That is a lot of different mobos there becomes a point where they need to decide which ones to develop and manufacture.

 

The 120hz / 5ms panel on the Msi is the same as the AW.
Based on the fact that 99% of all other laptop screens have either a 25ms or 27ms response time, all of the recent 5ms 120hz panels are night and day when it comes to have clear they are.
Once you use one, you will then see just how bad 25ms really is.

 

I came from a 15r2 60hz 1080p panel and when i went to a 770dm w a 1080p gsync panel at 100hz i cant play anygame properly if its just a 60hz panel. Though i doubt that 25ms and 5ms will be a big leap. If i do get to sell my current rig then i would go for the 15r3 if i dont sell it id be going for the gs73 for the portability

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Yes. Everything soldered on the motherboard give you less options to choose from. As expected Great for keeping down costs. But Customer comes last.

 

Yes well that is the way the industry is going. Nvidia stopped making reference MXM cards and intel doesnt make socketed mobile CPU(s) anymore.
Plus not everyone wants a bulky laptop with desktop procs. All depends on the need.

 

Nobody forced Dell to choose soldered GPU!!They had other choices

 

Yet they previously were able to make gsync and non gsync AW15s...

 

Yes but my point was they were two separate motherboards for the same cpu + gpu combo.
So they can do it if they want but like any other business they have to decide what makes sense when it comes to budget etc.
This happens to call companies.

 

While the motherboard is certified are you suggesting that nvidia will deny the ability to have an unused connector. Yes I understand how complex laptop board development is but in order to offer the most configurations at low cost and make it easy to offer what customers want without needing to worry about inventory you would think they would have designed it so that there was simply connectors for the monitor internally to be connected to the dgpu or igpu and then all you do is need a different screen and cable connection depending on the config. Nice and simple.

Now they previously sold a lot of 6820HK cpus with the 4k screens and other non gsync configs. Do they not think there are any customers left who want good battery life? A lot of us who want a gaming rig with great battery life waited to buy the 7 series cpus because they offer igpu improvements to save power. Yet ironically starting with the 7 series they stopped offering non gsync configs.

 

Thats true, much like Clevo could put in a nice keyboards and make their chassis / lids out of more metal and less plastic but they don't. Companies simply do what they feel makes sense to them based on many factors.
Besides.. 1. BGA component tech has come a long way. 2. Many of AW customers don't want a laptop the size of a Clevo. 3. Plus again the industry is simply going that way.

 

Have to agree, I was choosing between a thin MSI notebook, AW15 or a Clevo. Clevo was ruled out due to pretty much the size alone, its big. Not only was it big but it costed more too. Which is to be expected with a upgrade-able laptop. But you won't be able to upgrade it much until there's new MXM cards or incompatible CPUs. Meanwhile the Alienware has TB3 and the AGA port, this seemed more reasonable and futureproof to the cost

 

What kind of battery life are people getting with the non gsync for like watching movies?

Because my gsync unit got like 5 hours watching movie no wifi on high ish brightness.

I'm skeptical that the real world battery life improvements is that extreme?

Also curious because I've asked before and no one seems to be able answer with numbers for a real world comparison between the 2.


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Just to clarify a bit about the "120hz" screen:

Alienware is using TN panels and it is brighter than MSI. The view angles are a bit washed out but it is not bad. You want to reduce the NIT as it is too high at 400. You will want your brightness at ~75%.

MSI is using IPS panels and the view angles are amazing. Also the colour reproduction is much better.

However, I still went with alienware because I got better deal +I got the amplifier and last but not least the alienware LOOKS amazing compared to MSI (I am referring to the GE62/GE72 with 1070 GPU).

How do I know this?! I saw them both and tested them...

 

I made the order for my laptop on the 8th, and there's still no update, simply says 'Work in Progress'. Does it usually take this long? (Australian store btw)

 

Yes. You will only see shipped and there will be a tracking no. Most probably at the end of this week you should get an email also that your order has been shipped.

I recommend to keep getting on the chat line and keep asking about your order... That may help you getting an update. Sometimes even when the order is shipped, it is still showing 'work in progress' or 'in production'