*OFFICIAL* Alienware 17 R5 Owner's Lounge

Why do you Quote me?

 

This is what Dell does. At least we now know what happened and make others (unlike others) stop from buying this machine. They prefer to reduce the CPU performance (which means you pay more for nothing) with new BIOS by introducing a current limit throttle at approximately 63W. Instead of sorting out the heating issues or f... use a good thermal paste.

People with new bios. Try FC5 recording CPU frequencies with HWinfo. Check the average frequencies you get. I cannot say anything else. Let it speak by its own.

I hope people react to get this reversed. It is only bios programming. If not, I will probably try to send my machine back again.

 

Oh Boy... i did not knew this but i see... you are a stubborn guy and want to see the guilty one in me... youre Welcome

 

No point in talk with Dell support. You all should post your questions in https://twitter.com/AzorFrank?lang=en (Facebook/Twitter account).

 

This is where you got your information about CPU performance from? They are aware that we (the users) know about it?

But, till now we only knew they did something to reduce the heating. Now we know they did it against the CPU performance by reducing the CPU power limit to almost the half by introducing a current limit throttle which dramatically reduces CPU performance.

I wonder how no one else noticed that. I spent so many hours thinking that I am doing something wrong. I cannot be the only one with the new bios. Or maybe no one else bought this machine? And I am sure that everyone will get into the trap because of Dell notifications for updates which include the new bios. That is for older R5 machines. Because on new machines, new bios will come implemented. I can only guess how many returns because of the heat they have got. This is by far the biggest alienware (I am not even referring to Dell) failure. The beginning of a massive fail.

Now that the CPU throttles at 63W with the new bios, then I know that the heating wont be enough under any circumstances. So, not even need to repaste.

 

Maybe i should warn my buddy that the angry mob is coming...

 

I see you go on being arrogant Dell man. Keep it up.

At least you wont misinform people about the R5 results anymore.

 

No i just make fun of you because i have nothing to do with it or even knew about it but you are so stubborn that you cant see it XD

And this has nothing to do with the mess Dell made with their bios. Its just funny (or sad?) How you behave.

And show me: where do i missinform? Come on ,,bro,,. You said it...now prove it!

Is it because my results/temps are better than yours? That only proves that i made a better paste job... nothing more...

Is it because i stayed at 1.1.6 And didnt rush the newer Version? No... that only proves that i can wait.

 

I believe you now know that posting this kind of results is unrealistic now on. So, do not even bother.

 

Just because you are not able to get your repaste done right? Stop kidding

 

i have no link for those 0.1mm thermal pads but you could just put thin layer of thermal grease instead.

 

Funny you. Just because there is no meaning with new bios. And temps are affected by many things other than that. Lets say the bios that you wished to ignore. Or room temperature, or configuration. Or the temps that you did not believe till you finally agreed that were good (on first pasting). And so on.

 

Still waiting for your proves

 

You gonna wait for long because you saw them already.

 

^^ thats funny...i thought we live in a society where people unguilty are until its proven? Mhm ... now i know what to think about you (where to sort you)

 

@Aristotelhs2060 since you are my special friend now...heres something speacial only for you. 20 mins FC5

 

Holy hell, what happened to your max temps?!

 

25 degree room, 4.7ghz and FC5 ^^ high Peak temps shouldnt wonder then.

On my aw17:
4.3ghz 60s avg, high 70s low 80s Peak
4.5ghz 70s AVG, high 80s Peak
4.7ghz, 80s AVG and minor thermal throttling

 

Gotcha, ok that makes sense, the spread looks nice

 

@Aristotelhs2060
You can raise the current limit to 250A with XTU, just make sure you kill the xtu service after you're done, that is if you need to manage other things with TS.

Your problem seems to be different than the one encountered by doofus99.

It appears that you have to to reach thermal throttling temps to trigger that additional power throttling mechanism and you didn't reach temps in the thermal throttling range.

doofus99's AW is power limited but the limit seems to change according to the running temps.

You were able to improve things by undervolting (sustained 4.3Ghz) and you weren't too far from the avr bga score of +1400 after you followed my suggestions.

Your problem seems to be fixable with tweaking, but doofus99's problem isn't fixable with tweaking (if the power throttling is EC controlled).

 

@XxAcidSnowxX Nah its just a special Unit from my buddy Frank. I fool you all /sarcasm off

Yeah the spread is ok. Its sad that it is so difficult to achieve...

 

Dont worry. Mr capt.ko only posted my temps on my old machine and without LM. That's the only one he could and a really the one he wanted to find

 

You are blind right? you should be able to see the difference between 4700 and 4300

 

Come on guys let's be nice, there is lots of good sharing information here, I like seeing both of your results even though they are different. Both you guys already tried help each other in the past too, let's keep it civil please.

 

Thats it. Iam done with this guy. The second one on my ignore list

 

It's all Dells fault, lol, they got us turning on each other, it's frustrating for some more than others, we need to work together.

 

I tried. Its the second time some ,,nice guy,, claim that iam a liar while i just wanted to help him...and the last time.

And this is not Dells fault... its not dells fault if someone is an ,,nice guy,,

But its still so funny that i cant be realy angry about it XD ,,Dell Man,, XD

 

Raz8020 do you mean the Iccmax? I tried that too in addition to other options. Obviously, bios settings bypass all that. Doofus thermal throttle is easier to fix. If he fixes the temps (with LM) then he is probably going to get the current limit throttling which happens on a CPU watt basis which is not 100W. And this limit is programmed on a bios/firmware level that we cannot do anything about. This is really bad from Dell.

 

Yes,1.2.1 but my weird throttle also exists with 1.1.6 - maybe some NVRAM has been modified on the machine?

Perfect explanation!

 

Do not get angry because I did not. I am angry with Dell. And do not pretend to help by saying to do something but by saying how to do something. And be careful with your words. I am not the only one who sees your behaviour.

 

@Aristotelhs2060

You should be allowed to chance core icc max with XTU.

 

I already tried but no change. Current limit throttle is still there. Again, it seems like bios bypasses everything. I have done a fast search. Other brands have done such things too. They are implemented in bios. People tried to fix it by doing things like the one you advised. No change. They sorted it out only by modified bios which we wont see for this laptop.
https://techtablets.com/forum/topic/power-limit-throttling/

And some asked even Intel but they never got a reply really other than saying run a tool to send us your system configuration and then nothing.
https://communities.intel.com/thread/124584


As a matter of proof:

check my settings on XTU
https://imgur.com/a/bfZNlNI

and the current limit throttle happening at 69W!

https://imgur.com/a/kCHfh84

By the time the TDP goes over 63 something, it drops the cores frequences instantly from 4.3GHz to 3.7Ghz and then up and then drop again.

 

Have we proven beyond reasonable doubt that yet another limit exists, the one Aristotelhs2060 describes? Can we describe it? because I hit 80W and 85W very happily!

 

Check my screenshots and have a clue. I think you can check that with your temps too. Run an Intel stress test and check if you get this current limit throttle before you get high temps (93) which as you have been told cause a power (thermal) throttle. By the time your CPU reaches 63W or more you gonna get this current limit throttle anyways (probably even before your CPU reaches temps of 93C).

 

Here you exceeded 90W constant power while being current limited (I believe this was with the default current limit) and after that with the -100mV UV, you exceeded 100w:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...5-owners-lounge.815492/page-144#post-10762004

Something is messing with your limits since you previously managed to to reach a much higher power draw before you reached the current limit.

 

What is messing is the bios. I have not touched anything regarding limits of any kind, and I have even done a fresh format. And this power draw may be for secs as the current limit occurs randomly and not always immediately.

 

Lock the clocks at lower clock speed so it won't thermal throttle too fast then see when and where the power limits will kick in. Use Aida64 (stress FPU + Gpu) or P95 + Heaven. You all can do it likewise. Same clock speed, power limits and voltage. With Hwinfo64 in the background.

 

Papusan, as described before I am on liquid metal. And thermal throttle is nowhere now. This is another kind of throttle introduced in the latest BIOS called current limit throttle which has to do with TDP and not the temps.

By the way, I just tried OC1. Intel XTU shows current limit throttle almost constantly without doing anything. By the time the cores reach 4.7GHz the current limit throttle occurs and frequencies drop.

 

Probably screwed up Dell OC profiles (power limits).
If you put lower clocks and same power setups, you can rule out some unknown variables. Apples vs. apples. Aka you all can see what level you will reach the power limits without running into thermal throttling.

 

I made a video when using OC1 which shows even more how the current limit throttle happens. I think it is easier to see with a video. No benchmarks running. Just idle.

https://www13.zippyshare.com/v/4doDxCdU/file.html

If I run the intel stress test with OC1, current limit throttle is constant but replaced twice by thermal throttle at 83C. Lool. WTF.

 

69W and no throttles of any kind. I do not have LM so I am very, very close to my thermal limits (94C), however with LM you'd be able to hit many more watts. I do not understand where this current throttle comes in. Have you tried to run nothing but XTU and P95 ? No TS, no HWinfo, no MSI atfterburner ?

 

Here is another video trying to test my made OC profile with 4.5GHz maximum. Again constant current power limit and frequencies lock at 3.8GHz

https://www39.zippyshare.com/v/38R7YMx9/file.html

 

I think TS or Dell Command Centre is messing with you!

 

During the stress test current limit throttle does not happen even once?

 

If that is the case, should I uninstall it? It is a fact that almost daily I cannot see all the menus inside ACC but it is fine after pc restart.

 

I think I managed to do something. Uninstalled ACC and OCC. Reinstalled bios 1.2.1. Restored defaults. Initially I could not enable CPU performance. Pressed restore defaults again and I could this time. Enabled CPU performance and selected OC1. Uninstalled Intel XTU. Reboot. Reinstalled Intel XTU. I do not see this constant current limit throttle permanently as before. ACC is still uninstalled!

Nah it is still happening after restart. It seems if OC is disabled in BIOS (but CPU performance enabled), it sets the power limit lower. I have to select an overclock profile which automatically means that CPU is set to 4.7GHz!

 

Have posted this info before... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...4-owners-lounge.797457/page-808#post-10709769

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...4-owners-lounge.797457/page-808#post-10709936

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Of coures you get Current limit throttle... Dell use crippled Power limits for their OC profiles (ICCMax 150.000A - Same as for Default)

 

YOU HAVE TO SELECT "CPU PERFORMACE" AND ONE OF THE OC PROFILES OR CUSTOM. IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNLOCK THE POWER! Doh!

Yes. Select "Performance", select an overclock profile, any will do, then go into XTU and lower the multipliers and the voltage. The BIOS has already set PL1=PL2=110W which means it has unlocked the powers. If during some reboot you see PL1<110W, just set it to 110W in XTU.

Basically in XTU you need to set
(a) undervolt
(b) your selection of multipliers, eg 40x-45x
(c) occasionally only, also PL1, if after reboot it shows as < 110W, I have seen 105W, 95W, lots of crap, just set it to 110W in that case.

Warning: the BIOS has a habit of disabling "CPU Performance" during reboots, for its own reasons, eg if you crashed before, or whatever. Make sure that you are still in "performance".

I think this will be problem fixed for you now.

 

I followed those steps exactly, didn't work

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Once again you misunderstand and mis quote me. In English sometimes we say it's "all something" but it doesn't literally mean I seriously think that all the PCH temps are impacted just by the GPU. Of course I know that's not the case and it has shared responsibility. My point here is just that it'she PCH temp is heavily influenced by the GPU usage and that's a good point to make since a lot of people won't realise that. I.e. if you undervolt your GPU (even still with an overclock) you can drastically reduce not only the GPU temp but also knock 5C + of your PCH which is a lot of people's problem if they cannot do PCH mod or just want to reduce temps further.

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