*OFFICIAL* Alienware 17 R5 Owner's Lounge

In Far Cry 5, is it possible I can swap weapons while out and about? It seems it only lets me when I am in the gun shop. Because I like using the .50 calibre but it only takes 10 rounds, it seems I cannot carry more rounds on me, and I cannot swap it for my AR-CL when I run out of bullets? Any help appreciated

 

My PCH only gets so hot when the GPU is also at full power. I did not know that undervolting the GPU would help the PCH ? I am currently undervolted at .95V let's see how the PCH behaves.

 

Look at your MAXIMUM VID ! Your CPU is getting 1.5v put into it ! No wonder you're getting current limit throttling !

Lots of happy alienware users buying BGA filth and then mad because their systems are castrated throttlebooks
As I said before, it isn't just bios. It's also embedded controller and you can't do anything about PECI Power limits. Even XTU has no access to those.
The EC can read EVERYTHING and can even forcibly throttle a CPU when a certain amount of amps is pulled from the power line.
This type of throttle would even bypass having a completely unlocked Bios and having the CPU report a maximum of 20W of power draw (e.g. by changing IMON SLOPE to 50 (or lower) and IMON OFFSET to negative (-) 16000 or -31000, whatever is equal to just "half" of the maximum raw value setting with a negative offset.

that's if the EC is throttling based on maximum system power draw.
Clevos can bypass this with Prema Bios--you can run to the absolute limits where everything just crashes because you overclocked too far.
MSI is filled with cancer but most of it can be bypassed by hacking the EC RAM and unlocking Bios menus.

Alienware? Suck it up, fuzzball.

 

This. Under load the voltage is logically much lower but stock still way too high.

There are a few things on the R5 that are bad out of box and need to fixed by the user...

- uneven temps
- high cpu temps
- 800mhz Drops
- high stock voltage
- low CPU scores
- GPU undervolt and overclock
- high PCH temps
- crappy AWCC with 8% idle load (lol)

its work and need time but its definitive possible to fix those things. And its not only a Dell problem. Most of the competitors have the same/similar problems. That doesn't mean I want to defend Dell! But I hope they work on this points for their next iteration of notebooks

only after freezes / crashes / unstable settings. If you have a good setting it will not reset the performance mode

 

Don't forget this VID comes with the OC1 which means up to 4.7GHz. Stock clocks do not give such high VID

 

It has arrived.

 

test it

please have a look what bios Version is preinstalled and for now do not update above 1.1.6 as some users might have power throttling with the lastest one.

 

Wow, I was just about to update it—I'll stick to 1.1.6 for now.

 

yeah... its not proven 100% until now but better wait

 

Does anyone know what this ampere setting in the BIOS does. Not that there is such an option on R5 bios but people with current limit throttle managed to fix it only by changing this. Maybe they have changed that on the new bios?

And if my VID is high (supposedly causing this current limit throttle) then I guess I am not the only one and more people are going to get this with new bios?

yes we have been the guinea pigs so other others do not

I would not put my hand on fire for that. I was about to say the same with doofus

 

In awe of the audio of this lad...I've heard a lot of laptops including the XPS 15 and the MSI Titan's and of course the R4 and it looks like "...The design now includes a couple internal smart amplifiers that monitor audio waveforms (a graph that displays amplitude or level changes over time), and the system uses that to better regulate the speaker thermals for better sound." is actually legit. This is the best sound I've ever heard on a calibrated and tuned laptop. I took a video of it when calibrated and tuned professionally

Now, because I'm not stupid, I recorded this with a professional microphone that was calibrated for the already noise-dampened room's inherent acoustics. I highly recommend watching with a set of decent headphones to get as an accurate picture possible of how the laptop sounds.

https://streamable.com/9gbu2

 

good job mate

 

I wonder if you could give some comments on my old post (less watt with higher voltage).

And what offset put Dell for the different OC profiles? Have you the Voltage numbers puting out when full load for all profiles? And have you the different clock speed numbers for the 3 different OC profiles?

What's your load voltage (stock clocks and voltage in Cinebench) for your chips? Compare with the above. Checked if there is a difference between the old vs. the newest bios?

 

Unfortunately i can not since i dont have my ,,old,, r5 any more. All i remember is that my old one hit 110w during cinebench with 4.3ghz and my new one does not.

With the old one the limit was 4.5ghz cinebench with 110w wall. With the new one i can run 4.7ghz through cb with 110w. Thats it

And to be fair. I dont want to invest time in testing atm for this forum. Sorry

 

I don't talk about that you should invest time in further testing for the forum.

The other Q was for @Aristotelhs2060

The number for the old one is in the pict below. All I ask about... Comments on the numbers (less watt with higher voltage). Something doesn't fit.

 

And i told you: if i could test it again i would ... but since i dont have my old r5 anymore i will not interpretate eyeballed results i dont remember correctly... Maybe TS/ xtu was messing around and ins of the results was not completly stockas i thought, maybe i eyeballed it wrong... I dont know and i cant test it anymore. So take my post with this results and throw it in the bin.

What i can say. It was not possible to fit more than 4.5ghz into the 110w with my old CPU... but i can run 4.7 with the new one...

 

Maybe a different version of Cinebench? Different software uses different assembly instructions resulting in different power for the same frequency.

 

Nope. Same Version.

 

Do you mean you want me to check the VID for those profiles? By the way there are two OC profiles in ACC . I did not set up any myself. At the time I am getting an error with OCC profiles. I am trying to reinsntall but says another version installed while there is none. So I cannot use OCC in ACC for now. But I can select OC in BIOS (after uninstalling ACC which may conflict)

Papusan, if my VID is high this may cause the current limit throttle? In that case there is nothing I can do right? Could it be that they changed the amps in the latest bios so it does not give enough room for CPUs with higher VIDs?

 

Yeah, but under full max load as f.eks Cinebench R15. Im not sure if Alienware use vcore sensor or just VID for their notebooks. Voltage will drop under load so that's the voltage value I ask for (load voltage). For all OC profiles + stock. All today's processors come with too high voltage (as a safety valve for chips degradation and reflect bad up to better binned chips). You can undervolt it in same way as all other. Same also put your own power limits (unlocked chips)

 

uuuuuhhh
i hope i get also the lower bios version...
next week i will get this machine...
@ l4k3rkb did you checked your TDP? limited?

 

This is with Bios 1.2.1 and after new repaste with LM using a mod for the white pads

Hwinfo log during CB test and OC2. I did not post it for the score because it is without any tweaking or other staff anyway. Pure as it is. It is for the VID (for Papusan) and for the temps.

https://imgur.com/a/4VS3UVQ

In addition to the good application, it also seems to be important to keep the laptop on a horizontal position (and not differently when using a notebook cooler) to have equal spread of LM to avoid cores differential. I did not think about it before. And yes, it seems like the thickness of the white pads is what causes or not CPU/heatsink gaps. Using appropriate pad thickness (which you may already have or not) reduces the gap to a minimum

 

This tells me nothing. I need screenshots when clocks run all 6 cores exactly as they should be in load. Then I can see load voltage. This is only a guess work. If throttling starts, take screenshots before it happens. Same for all profiles.

 

Can you please explain what you are trying to see? Are you trying to determine the actual voltage under a stress test? What kind of stress? Cinebench, P95, what? With undervolt? At what frequency? I just cannot understand what we're trying to discover?

 

I believe that he is trying to find the actual voltage in full load and if or how does the aw OC profiles affect that voltage.

He needs to see the current voltage values (not min or max) during the load (not after) in cinebench, with stock settings and the same with every OC profile.

 

Cinebench R15 (Stock voltage for all profiles).

And what clock speed each profile contains. 1 up to 6 cores. For each.

Exactly. + Package Power for each profile in load.

 

Hmm, why is that even important to anyone? The BIOS has three presets for OC and one custom. The frequencies can be anything, really, anything. They have decided for example to call "OC1" something like 43x, 44x, 45x, 46x, 47x, 48x (I am guessing here), it is just an arbitrary decision. There is a custom OC setting where you can set your own frequencies. Why are you so obsessed with "stock"? I still do not understand. Intel markets the 8950HK as a 45W TDP, Dell have decided to allow 110W, so far, another BIOS or another "Dell Command Centre" may change that, and you also have third party applications that may be able to change that too, assuming it is possible. Why are we obsessing about "stock" ? Sorry I am being slow...

 

Of course they have to market them as 45W chips but fully unlocked. How many +$200 usd processors vs. i7-8750H would be sold if they increased it's TDP ? F.eks would Apple being able to put it in their thin and flimsy?

Reagarding why we ask for Voltage and clock speed for the OC profiles. Voltage numbers can say a lot regarding Cpu Package Power or Cpu throttling. And 43x, 44x, 45x, 46x, 47x, 48x is stock for i9-8950Hk. The 48 is for the $200 usd Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) feature Aka stock from Intel if the OEM follow their guidelines.

 

He is trying to help Aristotelhs2060 and after he (Aristotelhs2060) replied with this:

Papusan asked him to provide more details about the things that the OC profiles affect:

He is trying to find all the variables that are affected by the BIOS versions and the OC profiles (since Aristotelhs2060 implied that he has different voltage values with OC profiles vs. stock clocks) starting with the voltage (which needs to be stock as opposed to undervolted, so it has the default voltage reading during loads) and how it correlates with the multipliers that were set in the OC profiles.

 

How do I check that and what should it be?

 

Excuse me, guys.
Can any one of the owners do me a favor, can you measure and share me the distance between the top cushion and the front edge? i am about to buy a cooling pad with the width of 285mm about the plane, not very sure if i bought my new aw17 r5 in the near future, whether the cooling pad is big enough to hold this giant beast. thank you very much in advance

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Which exact value are you looking for on hwinfo? It is hard to guess when the current limit throttle is going to start (again it is not power limit throttle as CPU can reach up to 108W but current limit throttle). What do you mean run all 6 cores exactly as they should be? What do you mean by should be? Eg. All should run at 4.3GHz stock for example? I guess my VID does not allow all cores to run at 4.3GHz at the same time?

I am trying to do my best here even though I do not understand how this may help. I may be wrong but what probably happens with my machine is that due to high VID the CPU reaches 108W with lower frequencies?

Ok, so if I run prime95 (I found the highest frequencies before the current limit throttle starts) and give you the hwinfo reading, is it going to be ok?

 

Papusan, here is my hwinfo log while running prime95 and just before I start getting the current limit throttling (If I increase multiplier of 1 of the cores by x1 I start getting the current limit throttling). This is with OC2 selected in BIOS and multipliers changed in Intel XTU. Hope that helps

https://imgur.com/a/egZvZtf

Is the right way to do it? If not tell me all the steps to do it please. Number them if possible.

 

I bought the Alienware 17 r5 with the GTX 1080, 32 gigs of ram and a uhd screen which is think is better than having a TN panel because you pay thousands of dollars and getting a TN would be just sad. I have tested the TN panel and the uhd at the store before buying, and the TN colors were just disappointing. And the uhd colors were really eye catching and the laptop and games itself will look really nice.

 

Absolutely, yes.

 

Guys in case you are all wondering, I have a good suspicion as to what's been happening: Aristotelhs2060 starts a stress test, and hits 110W without any thermal limits because he has repasted with LM. I, and everyone else would hit the 100C and immediately get thermal throttles, but he sails past our barriers and hits the immovable (?) 110W power limit and then his system throttles him aggressively and lowers his scores. He needs to choose smaller multipliers to allow the system to run CLOSE to 110W but not hit it and so he will stop getting throttles.

 

Completely stock temperatures:
https://imgur.com/a/utpKwl3

 

Urgh, terrible temps, needs a repaste for sure. But that i(. I cant wrap my head around it why Intel released such a poorly binned piece of crap.

 

Yeah, it's pretty bad. But I'm so exhausted from my ordeal that I can't be bothered to do anything about it, I'm just happy it's not stuttering and freezing.

 

If you dont need it asap i would send it back and wait for the next gen. No i9 laptop on the market has the ability to cool it without throttling.

 

I can get much better Far Cry 5 scores, usually 43-46 FPS average on this test, try to lower settings a bit, like to 3/4 or to 2/3?

 

Yes but captn.ko did not get such current limit throttles. But he is on bios 1.6.1. It is even the Bios (may have changed the AMP settings or something else) or my high CPU VID.

My higher VID may mean that my system reaches higher CPU power consumption with lower frequencies? I need the advise from an expert in here. Is there an equation between CPU VID (volts), amp and power consumption?

 

I think doofus is right. The current limit throttle is caused because CPU now reaches and tries to bypass TDP (110W). Check my screenshots below with my CB scores. I saw maximum temps of 88C!

I tried with -145mv and 45x for all the cores. reached 1357. Power consumption reached 109W constant without current limit throttle or any throttle. Maybe I can push only a bit more but its close to its limits! How does it look? I even managed to get 1372 once but did not get a screenshot.

https://imgur.com/a/NIWCp82

I think it is now limited only from the TDP. The score now depends on how many times I am now going to a get power limit (which is a matter of luck too) and maybe some small tweaks playing with undervolt/multipliers because it is now close to the CPU power limits. I wonder how someone can reach 1400 or more on this processor on this machine. I think it may be a matter of VID now on. And maybe I am fool but does the screen resolution matters too? Because CB is doing rendering during the test.

 

What is the highest multiplier / cinebench score? Why did you stop at 43x ? Was it the TDP?

 

Are you sure? There is an older post from captn.ko saying he hit 110W at 4.4GHz I think. Let's see what he says.

 

I got 1394cb once at 43x but the laptop was cool. Once you run it once it then drops to 1320-1350cbs. But I can do 1350cbs with no LM. You guys should be able to do much more ?

 

Well, I cant. I reached the TDP. Thermal throttle or not (so thermal paste or LM) this is a limit that cannot be bypassed. And I described, I do not get any throttle up to the frequencies and undervolt described above.

Captn.ko said he has different VID. Maybe this allows him to have higher frequencies before he reaches the TDP. I do not know. And this is indepedent of GPU underclock or not.

 

Probably it's a limitation of this crystal. I met one 7820HK which could barely OC to 4.1GHz without BSODs..

It's ~300mm

 

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How then I, and especially captn.ko, reach ~1450cb with 43x ? Something is not right. Maybe some other application is stealing CPU cycles, like hwinfo or even XTU. Try to set it to 4400GHz and then close XTU (from the notification area), close down everything else, then run Cinebench, you should get very good scores, like captn.ko.