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Still no luck in getting the BIOS unlocked or getting a manual voltage (vs only using offset) but I did get a 1515CB after a few runs at 4.6ghz by slowly ticking up the offset to -195. -200 instacrashed.

CPU temps never got above 84C.

 

I am not sure if this is a good score for 4.6GHz. By the way -195mV! How is that even possible? You went from -150mV to -195mV without restart?

 

Yeah, with ThrottleStop or XTU you can adjust the offset on the fly. The BIOS is crap, it only lets you set a positive offset, not a negative.

 

What he mean is that normally with this high offset you will get a blue screen. I only tried it with -150

 

No way. How did you do that? I set 4.6ghz and increase the offset from -150 to -160 and if I start cinebench it crash’s after about 10 sec. Impossible.

 

It isnt. Depends on the vid of your cpu and ts settings ... stop looking at offsets and look at load voltage during the cb test

 

At 4.3ghz and -150mv Offset my core voltage is at about 1.15v
I NOT set the voltage manually it’s set by the system automatic.
I have not enough experience on that to now how to do much more than that.
1350 is my max cb score at 4.1gh with -150v and no throttle at all. At 4.2 I get throttles an cb drops down to 1290.
Core2 gets to hot. About 10-15degrees more than the others

 

Core 2 seems to always get hotter than others (no matter the repaste) but with -150mV I do not think you should have thermal throttle. Your throttle is due to thermal throttle obviously. Mine reaches power limit without thermal throttle (because of LM) but CPU VID is high compared to others (nothing I can do about it). I think CPU VID affects the loading voltage and the maximum allowed UV

PsyberEMT whats you CPU VID at 4.6GHz? And what bios version are you using?

 

What happens if I increase the core icc max value? It is actual set to 150.00A.
World it help to determinate the powerthrottle? Could it damage my cpu?

 

At 4.6 during a Cinebench R15 run it bounced between 1.15-1.17:

Tonight I could only get CB up to 1446, but here are my TS settings, CB score and HWiNFO:

 

I am a bit confused here. Does the CPU VID go lower during CB? On one of your screenshots it says 1.363V at 4.6GHz but goes to 1.15-1.17 during CB? Does the UV during CB affect CPU VID?

 

Yes it gets lower.
When I set my offset to -195mv I had 1,3-1,35 in idle and it trops down to 1,05 when I start cb and after 2-3s blue screen. No chance to run it stable with this high offset. If someone can tell me what iam doing wrong
110w
4.6
-190mv
???

 

Your CPU may not be able to run at the low an offset. The voltage at which it can run is related to the binning of the CPU, what people call the silicon lottery. The better the silicon the lower a voltage at which it can run. Mine maxes out on the edge of stability at -195 but I've seen reports on Reddit of people going -205 and even -220 on really REALLY good silicon.

 

Yes, the voltage drops as the current increases with load.

 

Does not necessarily mean you have won in silicon lottery. If VID is high at default, the load voltage can still be high even with nice undervolt.

 

You're not correctly interpreting the data from hwinfo.

The different category values below the min and max headings, are not linked with each other and these values are not registered at the same time.

Only the values under "Current" are linked with each other.

The 4.6Ghz clock speed is just that, the max clock regardless if it was under load or in idle.

The 1.36v is just the max recorded voltage and in this case it is only valid for IDLE or very low loads.

Having a max core usage of 100% below 4.6ghz max core clocks, below 1.36v max VID, doesn't mean that 4.6Ghz was achieved with 1.36v at 100% load.

The voltage decreases under load (Vdroop):

 

In fact, I am always looking at the max CPU VID during idle. I am still looking for someone who reaches 1.463V (that is without UV though)

 

Can anyone recommend a backpack that would fit this beast of a laptop? Most backpacks I've looked up don't really match too well, even most swiss gear backpacks.

 

I bought alienware vindicator 2.0 together with the laptop. It is massive and does not only fit this laptop but many other things at the same time. Quality of the backpack is superb. I also have the previous alienware backpack model which lasted for years.

 

Can vouch for Vindicator 2, very nice.

 

Let me explain. Low rated components who store less than adequate energy can be the culprit for very high voltage spikes (overshoot) with stock or low clock speed. If so, this mean Azor went cheapo.

Cinebench R15 with 44x and -211mv

 

Hello, my Alienware R5 17 will only get 1060 points in CB how would I get the best performance out of my laptop?

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Sorry but what do you mean by Azor went cheapo? Dell alienware is using cheap components?

 

If the components is low rated... Aka can't store adequate energy to hinder very high voltage spikes (overshoot). This with stock or low clock speed, I can't see other reasons. Or Dell have developed a weird form for voltage handlings in their firmware. The 3rd reason can/could be bad binned chips from Intel. Can be many reasons or a combo of what's already said.

 

Hhmm i understand what you wrote but I don’t understand why? Who has this voltage peaks? I can’t read something about it or am I wrong?
The only problem I got or aristotellhs is that we cannot undervolt that high values like -200. but I didn’t saw voltage peaks yet.
Maybe it’s the silicon lottery why we don’t reach the -200mv or we do something wrong. I also have this power limit thottleling at about 73-78w with oc profile at for example 4.2ghz -150mv and default voltage setting and pl1 110w also pl2.
That are in the moment my biggest issues ah also temps core #2 extremely.
WHO can help

 

Really need an Oscilloscope or expensive measurement tools AND a schematic to find what the real voltage is.

CPU VID isn't accurate. The IA AC setting affects "Vid amplication" (boosting) at full load, which is supposed to be 1.80-2.10 mOhms of resistance, but the problem is the IA DC setting affects VID *droop* MEASURED also on the same amounts of resistance. And what gets even more confusing is that IA AC setting actually affects the voltage DIRECTLY, while the IA DC setting is only vdroop measured as OUTPUT, like some internal setting that Intel uses for its loadline slopes.

With IA AC loadline set to 0.01 mOhms and IA DC loadline set to 8 mOhms, your CPU would report 0.9v VID at 4.5 ghz at full load.

The important thing is that IA AC loadline affects VOLTAGE BOOST directly while IA DC loadline makes the reported VID (although not the actual voltage) droop. Whether this droop is 'real' or fake depends on how the voltage regulators and Bios are designed. On MSI laptops, the droop is fake, because MSI removes the vdroop internally via some fixed and unchangeable "Loadline Calibration" setting that no one has access to and no one can disable. This causes problems when people are reporting their load "VID" on MSI laptops, for example: with default IA AC and IA DC loadline of "Auto" (= 1.80 mOhms), at 4.5 ghz at 1.08 static voltage (1.08v), the CPU will be running about 1.21v full load with non AVX prime95 and 1.25v with AVX/FMA3 prime95. But the VID will only show 1.13v for non AVX and 1.12v for AVX/FMA3.

Yet the power draw and temps will clearly show that this is MUCH higher than shown (estimated as 1.21-1.25v).

 

Alienman17, I do not get power throttle untill power limit 110W. This is because LM keeps temps below thermal throttle (combined with a low UV) allowing to reach the power limit. Sometimes I get a current limit throttle which I believe is due to the high CPU VID and high loading voltage caused by that. I cannot reach UV more than -150mV for both CPU voltage and CPU offset (which is unstable anyways so I have an UV at about -100mV only). If you have lower CPU VID, then I guess your throttle is caused by the temps instead because the temps under thermal paste are causing thermal throttle before the power limit.

Have you checked your temps playing fc5?

 

You find several posts in the thread. Maybe start with post #1867

Edit.
Regarding Dell's overclock profiles. Why use it?

Everything who can be the culprit is posted in my previous post.


[email protected]. Compare the results from the Alienware's in this thread and you can see the differences. Both in score results and power draw vs. voltage used. If people get scores equal below stock clocks with 46x, something ain't or can't be correct. Either too low voltage or trash in the background. Or both.

You say Sometimes...

 

Only under load. The rest of the time it is perfect.

 

Sometimes means sometimes. With UV it's rare to none with or without load. I had found a balance between clocks and UV to have no current limit throttle till I reach power throttle at 110W. But, the CB score is low even at the best settings which means that something else is the actual problem.

 

Correct, I have the same issue.

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This has the stench of sabotage.

Sometimes you wonder who (and in what state of mind) makes these decisions.

Dell, if your goal is to ship broken hardware, quit early.

 

Or, what kind of mind-altering chemicals might be clouding their judgment.

It could also be a case of plain old run-of-the-mill stupid.

 

Okay, this is probably a dumbass question but I haven't been able to find a straight answer anywhere.
I have the 1070 model, and I'm trying to access the "Preferred Graphics Processor" drop-down menu that is typically in the Nvidia Control Panel. I received an upgrade from the R4 to the R5, and while the R4 had the capability to manually assign different programs to different GPUs, the option doesn't seem to be available here. Not sure if it's related but I also don't seem to have access to the Intel Graphics Control Panel. Everything is up to date.
The display is 1080p, w/o G-Sync.

Any help or insight would be really appreciated :')

 

Show us what your device manager looks like.

A screenshot will do.

Better still, also attach a dxdiag report.

 

I mean Dell removed the iGPU options for the 2018 AW models. G-stink panel or not doesn’t matter.

 

Here's a link to the dxdiag,
report: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WcbhVgYWl3B2TON7Fbz6fNUjNkMYjIf4

And here's a link to the screenshot of what I'm seeing.
https://imgur.com/a/QdCgTVg

Thank you for the quick response!

 

Seriously? So you're saying there's no way to control what programs use the integrated graphics? :/

 

My bad, just realized I screenshotted the wrong thing.

https://imgur.com/a/TDMWCMx

 

Nothing to control if there is no Intel graphics. No Mux switch and no Optimus on newest lineup from what I know.

 

No Optimus? I swear I read somewhere that the new lineup was Optimus-supported, but I don't know. So, there's no way to choose what programs run on dedicated graphics, and the laptop's just using the 1070 for everything, all the time?

 

No differences between the 15,6 and the 17,3 inches models... https://www.dell.com/community/Alie...are-15-R4-Support-Nvidia-Optimus/td-p/6110579

 

Cool, thank you. I'm just concerned that running everything on the 1070 is making it work harder than it needs to.. and I don't understand why my R4 had the option to switch to Intel while the R5 doesn't.

 

Saving on costs. But Dell offer 99Wh battery as a substitute. I know same battery was used in the 2017 linup, but it's what it is.

 

Sorry for bugging with so many questions, but since they kind of cut corners there, do you think running everything at max like that would take away from the processes that actually need high performance? ie. Photoshop, animation software, and games, of course.

And, another thing, if someone could answer this I'd really appreciate it.
I can't seem to be able to create Overclock Profiles in the Command Centre. There's just, nothing there. When Dell was replacing my R4, they mentioned that the R5 I was receiving would be an overclockable machine. Am I doing something wrong here? .-.

Thanks for all your help!

 

The performance won't suffer. Be happy you haven't iGPU.

You didn't mention what cpu you have. Only the +$600 i9-8950Hk is able to do a little more than the locked Core i7-8xxxH series.

 

Can you show me what you see under the "Configure Surround/PhysX" tab? That should have a layout of the displays available on your system.

Two possible scenarios:

(a). Most likely you're using an external display on your system wherein the internal panel is disabled (in Windows' display settings). Can you confirm that's the case?

(b). You most likely have no Optimus support. The dxdiag report you showed reports this:

Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported

Despite that both GPUs are present and active.

I'll be back with you on this shortly.

 

Yeah, I thought the R5 was Optimus-supported but I learned today that it wasn't, at least I don't think so. That does make a lot of sense, though. I wonder if any of the new lineup are configured with Optimus.
I unfortunately do not have an external display! Only the one.

In the PhysX tab, I can select the GTX 1070 and the CPU as the processor. It doesn't show me the integrated GPU.

 

Killer Networking has also taken this asinine approach with their UWP-based driver.

 

Then that confirms what is listed in the dxdiag report: No Optimus support.

However, since your IGP is present AND active, you may be able to utilize the likes of Intel QuickSync, etc.