*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Suddenly my CPU Performance Mode was greyed out in the Bios- > load Optimized defaults fixed and Reboot fixed it

 

People here are talking more about them damn orders then the laptop itself. Like hello, someones Area51m just caught on fire on fire LOL

 

My thoughts too man! What the heck is this, create an order thread y'all and let's discuss the actual laptop not "mine shipped" or "mine got delayed" or I got a discount. Tip, no one gives a darn but you if yours shipped or got delayed or you got a discount!

 

Does the Area-51m have any ghosting issues with its screen as seen in the videos in this thread: https://forums.geforce.com/default/...hosting-display-issues-with-nvidia-drivers/1/

 

Just noticed you limited who can look at your profile when you said that, LOL!

 

My profile has always been limited bro and no PMs

 

I’m hoping my iPhone XS Max can capture this in slow-mo mode if it does have ghosting or not.

So did you order one yet

 

Curious about something (and I realize it may be a very open ended topic)... do you guys go V-sync off when using G-sync? I've never had a G-sync capable laptop, and GeForce experience seems to always just have it enabled. I get that it can still come into play when frame rates go > 144 but it still seems better with it off... don't know. ; )

(Also surprised that GF experience always defaults to DX11 instead of 12 for those games that support 12... guess it's a performance hit).

 

So glad that the Area-51M takes after it’s older brother, the Alienware 18......I bet they used underrated MOSFETs again.


It’s gonna be a pass from me.

 

Obviously I must have been extremely lucky because I have never heard it and I have been in computers for the past 40 years. And what do you mean "high performance motherboards" ? Do they sell "low performance motherboards" ??? Do the coils whine only on "high perf motherboards" but stay silent on the "low performance" ones?

Come on, be fair, I think EVERYONE cares for discounts and ways to get them.

 

sorry my main complaint was people filling this thread with posts saying mine shipped mine got delayed mine is with the courier guy.

IMO, there should be another thread for orders and discount coupons because imagine this, some n00bie comes on to the forums seeking info or looking for benchmarks, temps, issues with this laptop, we are already at 502 pages in this thread, can you imagine how difficult would it be for him to find anything useful with such comments that have been going on for the last 10 pages?

I ordered mine, made a separate thread about it and that's that. I don't sit here posting OT messages of what's the status of my order, when it shipped, when I got it, bla bla bla.

Just my 2 cents worth

 

Somebody needs to page Frank and figure out why this is the second Area 51 to blow up, 2 months into release. This is nuts

 

Now that's the kinda conversation that interests me

 

I have a question on undervolt, when using ThrottleStop. Should CPU Core and CPU Cashe have the same voltage? Im very new to this undervolt stuff.. I have i7 9700k 2080.. I've been having crashes when using -125 on both, but not when only setting CPU Core to -125 and Cashe to -100. Is it wrong by doing this :S

 

All my Alienwares whine under load, it’s just a byproduct of cramming in high power delivery components

 

Tbh, we are talking about electrical components. Shocker they can fail. 2 machines out of all the sales isn’t a big fail rate.

Shouldn’t panic just because 2 whole machines went up in smoke.

 

yes that's wrong. CPU and Cache Voltage should be the same, even XTU locks them together. It's been like this since Skylake CPUs

 

Okey thank you. Anyone have any tips on which voltage I should aim for? with 9700k 2080 And should I only undervolt CPU Core and CPU Cache?

 

Yeah this, and pretty much all PC hardware has a form of coil whine, it just depends if the frequency is audible by humans or not and some coils setups dampen it quite a bit.

 

Not of all the sales. Just of the sales that we, here in this forum, are aware of. There could be dozens of laptops blowing up,and only their owners, and maybe Dell support, know.

As this laptop is designed to be opened up and upgraded, I was going to suggest you take a look to identify the culprit component, even take photos. But then I realised you most likely want to be as much hands-off as possible to have an undisputed warranty claim.

 

I’d hold off on that for now. The M18xR2 also had issues such as the sound chip blowing up. @Mr. Fox knows that one all too well.

I’d be very disappointed if they skimped the mosfets again. We need someone like @Khenglish to check out the motherboard for confirmation.

I tweeted Frank about this issue let’s see what they say lol

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34566679?

its getting better ^^ GPU +190/600

Edit: Performance Fan and 24 degree ambient.
edit2: update https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34566850?

 

Alienware Area-51m Benchmark Preview: A Laptop That Can Slay Desktops

 

Hello Need big help !
I can't install tobii experience form windows update (code 0x803FB005) even after a fresh install
And with game Hub they said that no tobii detected...
There a uknown driver device...

 

like you didn't see this thread which is in this very sub-forum and include the Tobbii Drivers and app which are 2 separate things?

Alienware Area-51m Drivers

 

Oh didn't see. sorry i will post there

 

NP Bro

 

Did the reinstall of the drivers fix your issues? My tobii is working perfect in the experience app, but the gamehub says no eye tracker detected.

 

Vsync on (from nvida CP, not from the game) doesn't significantly increase the input lag when used with g-sync, if the framerate doesn't exceed the refresh limit (if it tries to exceed it, you'll just get the usual v-sync input lag during that phase).

You can limit the framerate with RTSS for ex, but g-sync doesn't always work perfectly with vsync off (if the frametimes are inconsistent, then the tearing could be perceptible).

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/2/

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/9/

The best setup can vary from one game to another.

 

I did id some 3dmark benchmarking on my 9700k/RTX 2070.
Used Intel Extreme Tuning utility to set all cores at 51x
No voltage increase at all.
In the BIOS both CPU performance and Fan Performance set to enabled (Fans are at full speed)

My machine is an Alienware Area-51m 9700k/RTX2070/16GB stock plus another 2x16GB for a total of 48GB RAM. Fans at full.
I normally have an AGA with an RTX 2080 Ti but for these tests, I just wanted to see how the laptop itself did, with just the internal GPU.

For the Time Spy tests, I was able to go a bit higher on the GPU clock vs Fire Strike.
Fire Stirke 1.1 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18735203 GPU +165 Core, +650 Mem. Score 19733. GPU 21894, CPU 20250.
Fire Strike Extreme 1.1 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18735393 GPU +165 Core, +650 Mem. Score 9782. GPU 10146, CPU 20189.
Fire Strike Ultra 1.1 - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18735523 GPU +165 Core, +650 Mem. Score 5036. GPU 4902, CPU 20218.
Time Spy 1.0 - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6603064 GPU +195 Core, +650 Mem. Score 8211. GPU 8207, CPU 8237.
Time Spy Extreme 1.0 - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6603285 GPU +195 Core, +650 Mem. Score 3905. GPU 3832, CPU 4379.

I could probably get a bit more out of it if I added some voltage to the CPU and tried to run higher than 5.1ghz.
But personally I'm pretty satisfied with these scores and running at 5.1ghz max.

These scores were the highest I was able to get. These don't seem 100% stable. +150 core, +500 mem seems to be very stable though.


I started doing some checking, because at a glance my 2070 seemed to be quite a bit slower than a desktop 2070. However, a 2080 notebook was much closer to a 2080 desktop.

Here are some comparisons between 9900k, 2080 with 2080 notebook; and 9900k, 2070 with 2070 notebook.

I tried to find the #1 scores in each category. Some were sckewed as they reported a regular 2080 but in fact had multiple graphics adapters and were actually using a 2080 ti. So these may not exactly be the #1 in the category.
9900k with RTX 2080 vs RTX 2080 (Notebook) - https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/6145475/spy/6590186 - Time Spy - About 14% different. This is an Alienware 51m vs Desktop.
9900k with RTX 2080 vs RTX 2080 (Notebook) - https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18250863/fs/18696209 - Fire Strike - About 9% different. This is a Clevo vs Desktop.
9900k with RTX 2070 vs RTX 2070 (Notebook) - https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/6333181/spy/6603064 - Time Spy - About 27% different. This is an Alienware 51m vs Desktop.
9900k with RTX 2070 vs RTX 2070 (Notebook) - https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18568832/fs/18588202 - Fire Strike - About 35% different. This is an Alienware 51m vs Desktop.

Here is some more information I found:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...orce-RTX-2070-Desktop_9551_9281.247598.0.html
Notebook 2070 Base Clock 1215 (Confirmed this IS the base clock of my 2070 in my 51m)
Desktop 2070 Base Clock 1410
Desktop 2070 Base Clock is 16% faster
Time Spy Score - Desktop 26% faster
Time Spy Graphics - Desktop 22% faster
Fire Strike Score - Desktop 8% faster (something seems a bit off with this score)
Fire Strike Graphcs - Desktop 17% faster

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...orce-RTX-2080-Desktop_9541_9286.247598.0.html
Notebook 2080 Base Clock 1380
Desktop 2080 Base Clock 1515
Desktop 2080 Base Clock 10% faster
Time Spy Score - Desktop 13% faster
Time Spy Graphics - Desktop 13% faster
Fire Strike Score - Desktop 8% faster
Fire Strike Graphcs - Desktop 10% faster

I didn't realize the 2070 notebook vs 2070 desktop card would be that different, compared to a 2080 notebook vs 2080 desktop card.
By default, going by baseclock alone, the 2070 Notebook is 16% slower than desktop counterpart, where as the 2080 notebook is only 10% slower than it's desktop counterpart.

Has anyone else noticed things like this?

The notebookcheck article also talks about the 2080 notebook being cut down from a desktop 215 watt part to a 150 watt part, which is obviously already changing as Dell released their 200w bios for the 2080.

So if there is no higher wattage BIOS for the 2070, I'm thinking the 2080 in the Area 51m is the way to go.

What made me really notice these differences was @captn.ko 3dmark scores
I compared his and my best:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18736859/fs/18735203
Granted, he has a 9900k and a 2080, mine is a 9700k and 2070, but we're seeing a 30-40% difference in graphics scores.

Comparing his to the desktop 2070 from earlier in this post:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18568832/fs/18736859
His Notebook 2080 is only 9-15% faster than a desktop 2070.

Comparing his to the desktop 2080 from earlier in this post:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18250863/fs/18736859
The Desktop 2080 is only about 12% faster in the graphics score.


So, the net of this is:
Desktop 2070 is 20-40% faster than a Notebook 2070.
Desktop 2080 is only 10-15% faster than a Notebook 2080.
And the Alienware Area 51m 2080 is 30-40% faster than the Alienware Area 51m 2070.

Someone please check everything I said and make sure I'm not missing something or doing something wrong.

Oh and part of the reason I'm looking at this is, I can return the one I bought at Microcenter and spend less than $400 at Dell.com and get the 9900k/2080 instead. Seems almost like a no brainer!

 

And you're still waiting? GO DO IT NOW~

 

Well, I will... but "now" would just mean I could return it now, then I wait 3 weeks for Dell to ship it!

 

I mean take action now so order it and return your current one before the return period expires. You are getting so much more for the money d00d!

 

Yeah it's sad the 2070 is so far behind... I hope they come out with a bios update to increase its measly 120W TDP..

 

Like the old tradition of Alienware laptops , this model deserve its own benchmark thread. You should make one ASAP

Usually there are top 5 benchers... and everyone would try to put bench each other: those were the good ol days....

I use to buy laptop just to benchmark , with babies, kids , mortgage , no time .. you name it all ... no more time lol ...

Guys take a look at this structure.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-17-and-m17x-benchmark-thread-part-4.561350/

 

*** Alienware Area-51m Benchmarks/Overclocking/Tweaks ***

 

That's the rub... I need a laptop right now and the microcenter 51m is available... The Dell 2080 is not. :/. I dunno, in the same boat really.

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I did not know there was such a discrepancy between the 2070 in the 51m vs desktop variants. Unfortunately the 2070 will never get the love the 2080 does.

 

Yeah, I suspected but wasn't sure. I still am not sure it would make as much difference to me since I use the laptop panel at 1080 rather than use an external panel. Shrug. Since the 200w v bios update on the 2080 the difference will be more pronounced. Would be nice to see if a similar update is in the works for a 2070... But like you said, probably not as much love.

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It is because of the allowed TDP. A stock desktop 2080 has a 225W TDP. Alienware is allowing up to 200W (was originally 180W, 20% less than desktop) and ASUS up to 190W. This is why the 2080 laptop GPU is much closer to the desktop version of itself than the 2070 is. The laptop version of the 2070 is 115W while the desktop card is 185W which is 38% not 16%, whereas the 2080 in the Area 51-M is only 12% off the desktop card.

The TDP of these cards were known before any of the laptops released with any of them. How this is a surprise to anyone is beyond me. People need to learn to do some research before making a purchase.

 

@Ultra Male Sorry but you are gonna have to look at one more post about a shipment...

Somebody at HID must have forgot to set my status to 'In Production' for a couple of days. They received an order of laptops from Dell on the 12th. My order showed as 'Pre-Production' until yesterday, the 15th when it changed to 'In Production' in the morning, but shipped yesterday evening, the 15th. Got my tracking number.

Now for the next week to ten days to seem like an eternity waiting on it to arrive in Afghanistan.....

 

Shrug. You can't always have all the details. I'm very happy with my 2070... Which is as good a reason as any to keep it to be honest. . I was very disappointed in several 2070 laptops I tried prior (msi and Asus).


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Thanks for the info.

Can you please cite your sources for this info? I haven't come across all of this info before. I did some research but obviously did not find this specific info.

Is it on Dell's website?

Edit:
Now that I know what I'm looking for, based on the numbers you shared, I was able to find an article that explains all of these details.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...t-up-to-50-percent-underclocked.401111.0.html

 

Eventually you may be able to mod the vbios to set the TDP higher. Depending on how well the VRM is built you may be able to surpass desktop 2070 performance.

That being said, if the Dell 9900k/RTX2080 model is only $400 more than the Micro Center model, then it seems well worth the effort and wait to switch!

 

Pretty plain ... But it's a start. The community is not like it was used to be.

 

The shipped base GPU clockspeeds are lower, yes... but the 51m's 2080 execution is wonderful. Comparing the top overclocked desktop 2080s vs the top overclocked 51m 2080s on firestrike,,, there is only a 3% difference in graphics score (I'm finding 31200 vs 30300.) I'd call that about equal. And the desktops have had a year to tweak and bench... the 51m just got the 200w vbios and has some more room now to grow it's score. They are the same. Excellent cards, both.

 

Under load? If issue would be under load I would not have any issues because fans would take away the noise!

Mine sounds when I start computer, when I surf on internet, look at pictures etc

 

What make/model of Ram come in these? It’s £100 for additional 8GB ram in the UK was just looking to see how much the 8GB sticks are normally because that’s abit steep!

 

2x8GB=16Gb 2666Mhz with 18 18 18 38 timing around 110-130 Euro.
2x8GB=16Gb 3000-3200Mhz with 17 17 17 3x timing around 190-230 Euro.

Keep in mind out laptops are limited to 2400Mhz now and in future if we lucky they unlock higher, maybe 2666Mhz.
So try keep the timings as low as possible if you find memories that are close to each other in price and same Mhz then try pick one with lowest timing numbers.

 

You guys are killing me btw... was perfectly happy with my 9700k/2700 until i've been reading this thread and now I feel like I'm a bad person if I keep it and don't upgrade to the Dell "deal" for the beefier system. LOL... sigh.

Bottom line with me and Microcenter... it's a 30+ min drive, I'm already on my 3rd laptop (returned two other 2070's already), and I really do need a laptop for work reasons over the next 2 weeks. Plus, my system is running very stable atm. I did also get free games with MC (though technically I'd rather immorally probably get to still keep those even after returning the laptop since they are already registered).

.... grr, let me be happy with my setup!!! ; )