*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Thanks Gizmo for the video summarizing everything. I am going to cancel my order for now. I feel currently there is a lot of pressure on demand and that mostly does not help with keeping the quality up to standards. When I spend 3k on a laptop I want one that I can fully trust (to some degree), especially with dell's subpar aftersales.

Lets see in a few months how things have played out!

 

Why do you guys keep trying to lump a single laptop vs a brand? The A51M is not faster than a P870TM- Single gpu or SLI which A51M does not have. Period! And an A51M pretty much beats all the other laptops under the Clevo brand, but certainly not the P870TM1. And an unlocked cpu running 28K to 29K far out ranks a lowly 26k cpu score from The A51M. Facts are facts. And since Cross flashing works, And one can flash a 200W vbios to their card and have the same thing. But you sure can't unlock that power lock on the A51M, that's for sure. We tried and told them and they blocked it forever. You can however unlock the power target of the 2080 on the Dell card, but more than likely doing so will burn the card up sooner than later, but might last long enough to score some records.

 

I'm still really happy with my unit. I have zero coil whine luckily.

The only thing that was "wrong" is 1 dead/stuck pixel. I tried to unstuck it but to no result. It's in a place i never look in the bottom so i'm fine with it considering the unit has zero issues and very cool temps.

One thing to note, that bezel damn. I saw a tiny speck of dirt so i removed it with my finger, BAM instantly scratched. Watch out while cleaning this.

 

I think rather what's being discussed is DTR in general and because it is obvious that what is being talked about is the clevo p870TM, it was assumed that there wouldn't be any confusion as to what laptop was being referenced. I guess from here it'll need to be specific, which is fine. All good.

What's being discussed is also single gpu lol... a SLI is irrelevant to what's being talked about here. I am waiting for @captn.ko to post the 31,5K graphics score, because that is a crazy good achievement with a laptop 2080 card.

In terms of the 29K CPU score, which test are you referring to? 29K is a really high physics score for Fire Strike if that was what you were referring to.

The A51M may not be the fastest, but it's right at the bumper of the p870TM with it having a locked bios, RAM and Power limitations. So if you take that into account and see the graphics and physics of the A51M, what's now out of question is if the A51M can hang, rather it boils down to how much farther can the A51M go from what we've seen so far?

I think it's important to keep those factors in mind. - A51M is gimped in the areas of bios, RAM and power limitations, yet it's pulling some respectable numbers.

So for the record so that there is no more confusion, what is being discussed are the:

Alienware Area 51M (w/ locked bios, limited RAM and power limitations) -and- Clevo P870TM (unlocked bios, higher RAM speed and higher power limits.)

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Hope your coming 5.3GHz scores in Futuremark etc is more real than the Cpu scores posted from @Err0xx

I see you skipped reliability. The DELL graphics cooling doesn't look good. The fancy passive cooling heatsink below the card to keep care of the power deliverey is a awful engineering design. And don't forget... Area-51m haven't been here very long. Aka how well it will hold up over time. Key words. Reliability in all specters. See also @Johnksss post.

Im sure I'm able to find them myself

 

still searching, maybe i remembered wrong... I was pretty sure i saw 31.5k somewhere from johnkssss... if i was wrong -> sorry for missinformation

edit: only found his 30771 graphic score run now... strange...

 

More real? Please explain. There are only two scores. Valid score and Invalid score - It seems as if you are shocked to see such great scores coming from an AW. That's okay. I'll keep them coming...

Reliability? That is hard to say as it is a brand new product as you've stated. My unit has been fine and I've replaced all the thermal pads now, even the one located on the bottom of the gpu with the black heat sink.

Stock thermal pad and outlining where I've replaced the thermal pads with my own with a much bigger area.



If anything, my unit would be the one that is the most prone to any issues due to my driving style, but it hasn't and it's just fine...

I'm glad that you'll be able to witness the great scores on your own, but I'll still tag you.

 

All good. Yea 30771 is the only one that I'm aware of. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18695235

I was going to say... 31,5K?! Can I have that GPU?!

 

I would be sure you have a proper imprint from the power delivery. Equal as the one from HIDevolution quality check. And that wasn't even enough. Passive cooling will never ever be as good as active cooling. See long term use with high wattage.

 

Iam still sure ive read somewhere from an 31,5k score...wtf this makes me worry about my mind now...

 

@Papusan is talking about @Err0xx lies about his ,,stable,, 5.3ghz OC

do you create a new repaste guide?

 

Yeah

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   *OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M Owner's Lounge
   @Err0xx spam the whole 3Dmark Fire strike leaderboard with scores from the aga and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. And none of the results is done...
   Post by: Papusan, Mar 12, 2019 in forum: 2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17
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   *OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M Owner's Lounge
   ...in Futuremark etc is more real than the Cpu scores posted from @Err0xx I see you skipped reliability. The DELL graphics cooling doesn't look...
   Post by: Papusan, 28 minutes ago in forum: 2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17

 

Ah yes I'm well aware of all of this, trust me. I've mapped out each area and chips like I did with my XPS 15.

Haha all good. If you do find that please let me know... because 31,5K on air is crazy good and it would be inspiring to see that.

I will be doing an extensive repaste guide and review.

Oh that spam and fake scores being in the wrong section. *face palm* ... to be fair though we have to blame 3DMark for not changing that... but still... it will mislead a lot of people, because most don't ever bother to check 2nd GPU / eGPU....

 

GREAT! will wait for it before opening my unit again. Do you use LM now?

 

The thermal pads on this were not replaced. this is the stock pads, not fujipoly. dont think this qualify as having passed quality check if one opted for the pads replacement option on heat sensitive area

 

Sounds good. I haven't LM'ed yet, because I'm actually in the mist of testing various thermal pastes at the moment.

 

how are the stock VRM imprints on the stock thermal pads for the passive heatsink? your picture is glaring, cant really see it properly

 

They are pretty good, but the issue is that the stock thermal pads were only making about 75% contact with the vrm's (poor workmanship at the factory as we've seen many times, it's a given at this point), but I've also used a much larger pad to make sure all the surface area was covered. So far so good.. the GPU is running strong and I have some surprises that I'll be posting up soon.

 

I'm sure fujipoly wouldn't make the big differences with todays passive cooling. But check after that the pads ( Iunlock's new pad on right side) ain't like his and will probably save a lot people for some grief.

 

how much difference do you see between the pastes? i run TG Kryonaut atm and have a tube ICD waiting here.

 

75% contact doesnt sound like a good job from factory. someone should really measure how much heat those VRMs are putting out and if that passive heatsink is even enough to cool those VRMs. anyway to mod it to give it a better cooling? perhaps something active cooling?

 

$5000 Alienware Area 51M's Are Burning Out and Dying... Why I'm Not Worried!

 

Does anyone here have both Area-51m Elite backpack and AW Orion M17x backpack to compare side by side?

https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/shop/accessories/apd/aa451815

https://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Edge-ME-AWBP2-0-Alienware-Checkpoint/dp/B001GI5CSA

Btw I switched from RAID to AHCI and now the Samsung NVMe driver installed.

Also anyone know how to fix this? I clean installed awhile back and can't install alienware mobile connect:

 

I'm using Kyronaut as well, but ICD will work well too. I like Kyronaut as it is thick enough to stay put and has always worked well for me...

 

Amazing, the guy actually used my screenshot even though I asked nicely to not share this publicly / use elsewhere. Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have fallen for the provocations here and not posted it.
Thanks for posting the video.

 

u realy thought no one would share it?

 

Perhaps if I asked nicely

Guess it was too optimistic. My mistake, shouldn't have replied to the provocateurs.

 

Well I finally updated to 1.3.2 and ran a quick test...

All stock:

CB15:

Spoiler

CB20:

Spoiler

FS:

Spoiler

 

do you remember what thickness of pad you needed for the components of the backside of the gpu - not the ones that are covered by dell but the ones that aren't out of the box?

also i have to find out how to remove the mobo completely so that i don't have to remove the large heatsink and repaste the whole thing again only to get acess to the backside of the gpu ^^


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is that even possible? haha..do share

 

i have no idea ^^ i just looked at the photo of @iunlock and assumed that the heatsink seems to still be installed while he took the pic of the backside of the gpu so i figured why not check if thats possible to do ;-)

 

I used 1mm pads.

 

You do not have to remove the Motherboard to get access to back of GPU

 

ah really, i was almost sure that that are has a high gap between heatsink and the board. okay thanks

 

aaah, is it enough to remove the back big vent cover? totally forgot that this might work ^^

 

You have to remove the vent covers and shroud to remove the heatsink. From there it is 4 screws and a clipped cable to remove the GPU. It takes the most time to remove the shroud.

 

True, and not one of you have beat my Clevo yet. And it still remains to be seen if I had a A51M. 9900K/2080.

It's being discussed because that's all it has. If it had two then that would be what was being discussed.

We are talking about Physics only. The same test no A51M seems to be able to break out of 26k range. 5.1/5.2/5.3 ghz.

Exactly, it's not the fastest over all, but it is fast. That's all i'm saying. I could careless abut the rest. That goes for gaming as well. They all act about the same when gaming and no 5 fps difference is going to kill the other off if fps is above 60 fps.

Keep them in mind?No one is ever going to forget since they keep getting brought up ever other post. And I know more than most how gimped it is since we were the direct cause as to why it's so locked down now. We use to work on the Alienware bios mods or have your forgotten? The Alienware GPU mods as well? The only reason i ditched my Alienware was because they locked us out of it after asking us for help to fix it.

You are also the one that bought a locked system, gimped ram and lower power limits. So you already knew what you were getting into. No need to rehash this constantly. Oh wait? GPU is 180W/190W/200W while P870TM1 is 150W factory.

And when it's explained why it wont catch the P870TM in CPU scores, we come right back to the it doesn't have this and that. Well you can't be the fastest if you have a bunch of management imposed limits.

I get why all the banter back and forth, but i'm not in here to bash another brand. Never have, but as i said many many times before, I will bash management.

 

Well okay if you put it that way ... let's see here ...

The way that I see it, the A51M has already beat your Clevo if you weigh in all the factors.

There you go again with the IF's.. That' doesn't count.

You say that no A51M seems to be able to break out of the 26K range? Well... okay... But...

You know more than most how gimped it is? You keep bringing things like that up, yet you say no need to rehash?

You list the GPU wattage's to emphasis that the A51M is inferior than your all mighty clevo p870tm, yet you are flashing and using the AW 200w vbios? A bit of an oxymoron don't ya think?

I am the one that bought a locked system? As if I didn't know? - Regardless of what you used to do... that's irreverent.

Where's the love for the sport? This is all suppose to be fun, yet there's so much tension in the air... why? (Well I know why... but anyhow...)

I think you're confusing me stating facts as making excuses lol. No excuses here man... Management imposed limits? I don't think so... I'm the one here making the best of the vehicle (that gimped one) and continuing to push it to its limits, while having fun with it.

Therefore...

New Fire Strike PR: 26226
New Graphics Score PR: 30737
... from a so called gimped machine...


https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18936854

Locked bios/Limited RAM/Power limitations or not... at this point fellas, there's not much a boast about with the clevo P870TM anymore as being superior to the A51M. Factor in everything, put it on a scale and it'll tip in the favor of the A51M for most people looking at these two choices.

I want to max this thing out so that I can move onto my desktop projects lol...

@Johnksss , no hard feelings brother. I just wanted to clarify as there seems to be some confusion with certain things.

Friendly competition is great, but it needs to be humble and absent of the arrogance. That goes for everyone...

@Papusan @Mr. Fox @Vasudev @captn.ko

 

Question: If the airflow is borderline, would removing all the pad that doesn't touch a chip help or hurt? If the desire is cool the "big chips" this would be possible. If the desire is to contact the ones in the weeds... no go.

Homer

 

I think you see what you want to see. I clearly stated a few times that the A51M was superior in the GPU department, but loses in the cpu department. That the P870TM is using the AW vbios to keep up. This was not rocket science my friend. Just like you can do the same to your desktop GPU to get better performance.

As to benching, I really do have love for that, but the drama that goes along with it...I can do with out.

Great scores though!

 

Who was working on the vbios for the 2070 with a higher tdp? I’m very interested in this and would even donate to the work being done on it.

 

Alienware themselves are working on it, if I recall correctly.

 

Oh I thought it was being done by someone else on the side.

 

To be fair, I was replying to specifics that you had stated so it wasn't necessarily me seeing anything beyond what I was replying to. I'm well aware of your posts with you mentioning that the A51M GPU is superior. So far with the cpu it's a working progress and we have yet to see what it can do before passing judgement.

Rocket science? My reference to you using the A51M vbios was to point out that you're using AW DNA to enhance your clevo p870tm. I'm well aware that you can flash desktop gpu's vbios LOL ...

I too get sick of all the drama, but you can clearly see the root of it and so can everyone else. What's really happening right now is all the those that talked smack about the A51M before it was even released, are now eating their own words. It's sad to see them getting dirty about it when they are getting back fired on...

As for the scores, thanks! Now it's time to focus on the cpu as I'm curious what it can do in this machine....

 

Yes, I was merely posting what has been posted, not what I was personally posting about it short comings. The whole purpose of this is to get past the short comings not bring them up every other paragraph as a reference point. Which seems to be an on going trend in here. Me personally I don't care about that part because who does manufacture specs any ways? Not me. And the goal is to surpass any machines short comings and to push machines past what they want us to think they should be.

Yes, using an AW locked vbios, but should i get my actual bios unlocked. Pretty sure it would be game over. Since the 1080 was unlocked to run 300W. Problem is, that it's not that simple this round unfortunately. A work in progress.

Yes, but i choose not to get involved. I am here to watch a product grow with community help, but all this either you aw or not nonsense is for the birds.

As with any machine, these things take time to find out what they will do. And if the right people do not push the line with them, then we never find out..... That's why I push. I do not want to wait 6 months to find out what I already knew. That these machines can do more!

 

That pretty much sums up why guys us and others do what we do. The short comings have clearly been past as you've seen with the A51M.

Making mention of the short comings was done with the intent to point out this simple fact:

The A51M is right at the side view mirror with the clevo p870tm and no longer in the rear view mirror. Period. All this, yes without the luxury of an unlocked bios, ram and power limits, which the clevo p870tm has. That's the point. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing to be confused over...

As for the "I am here to watch a product grow with community help, but all this either you aw or not nonsense is for the birds.." I'm not quite sure what you meant by that, would you mind clarifying?

It would be great if one day the A51M got the bios that it deserves.

 

Well, 1 & 1/2 out of two is a serious start! I would call that a win. Remember, you can make changes with Real XTU, which has bios level access.
They could have locked that out and made things far worse.

Meaning:
Nothing wrong with having pride in ones product, but this back and forth with Clevo vs Dell (AW - Alienware) is just boring to me.

I'm just glad they decided to break away from their bottom line and push a true desktop replacement.

 

Thanks for clarifying, but recognizing a good product (which I do over many brands) and having full blown pride over one are two very different things.

You should be well aware of the fact that the reason clevo and aw/dell is such a hot topic is due to all the bashing from the clevo heads toward AW. Have you not seen? Lol... The AW threads have lurked with clevo owners for ages now. I'm completely with you in that it is boring. You're right... booorriing

The release of the A51M is the best thing that happened to the industry in a long time. I agree with you.. it's a true desktop replacement for sure. Now we shall see how others answer to this with the release of their own dtr line... msi may be next? Watch someone like hp come out and shock us all. Wouldn't that be a trip...

 

If someone wants to donate a better GPU I would love to make it do more.

CPU is a work in progress. I need a repaste badly. Hit thermal throttling instantly. Waiting on Carbonaut to release

Honestly I wonder if mine also has some dumb thermal pad issue. I'm thinking of repadding it but wanted to open it once for everything. Hella busy with school.

I've been pushing AW on twitter for a better BIOS and power limits and so far we got bumped up a bit in power limits with 1.3.0 but none of the other things I asked such as RAM timings, XMP support, etc.

 

If that happens people would never buy newer AW because they'll upgrade DGFF GPUs and LGA CPUs and wait for new BIOS from Dell.