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Can you maybe UV the GPU to see if that shaves off a few degrees? I must admit I am a GPU noob and wouldn't have a clue where to start.

@QUICKSORT sorry mate, it didn't quote your post for some reason, but the above was for you.

 

Yes but since destiny 2 is very cpu bottlenecked, a lot of it is probably going from a low clocked 8750H to a high clocked 9700k. In the main area with tons of people online , I used to be in the 70s, and now I’m in the 100s


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Yup, there you go, there are a lot of inputs to performance, not just the GPU, so the overall upgrade is much better than the GPU differences only.

What I was trying to discern, what is the actual GPU performance improvement in FPS between the 1080 vs 2080. Picking a CPU improved result for the comparison isn't helpful.

It is also nice to see that the Area 51m is getting better results out of the box than the previous series.

It will be interesting to see how Dell handles the GPU upgrades - and if CPU upgrades are also possible in future variants.

 

Yeah I could try that. Although I'm a little skeptical now, as I don't want to touch anything that could potentially harm my laptop after what happened to my laptop.

 

Use the pro upgrade. All you need is to input the key. No xahges will be made to files or programs.

Pro is the only way to go in Windows 10, so you can disable telemetry and limit auto updates.

 

I installed my 16gb of ram today instead of the 8gb. My division 2 benchmark score went up with 1200 points and 15 fps. Safe to say that the 8gb bottlenecked me in some way.

 

Totally understandable, to be honest, I'd likely be the same, however, I'm sure applying a UV would make things safer? One of the more qualified members should be ae to give you better advice.

 

Overlay works just fine in Apex, on both MSI Afterburner and RTSS +HWinfo64 overlay mode.
Update your software. I see some of you using year old obsolete builds of MSI afterburner and RTSS. I mean, 4.6.0 beta 1? We're on 4.7 now.

 

To be somewhat fair:
1080 fps max = 125 Verified
2080 fps max = 152 Verified
Stock is like a 25+ fps difference as well
I think that comes to 21.2 Percent.

Edit: This was in reference to the post about the firestrike score.

 

Is that the same game that is sensitive to CPU performance improvements too? How much of the performance is due to CPU improvement vs GPU improvement? 20% bump from both, how much due to the GPU only?

21k vs 24k-25k GPU score is about 12%-15%...

It would probably be best to actually test a same CPU configuration with 1080 vs 2080 side by side with similar tuning other than the GPU's to know for sure.

 

This would be for the Firestrike mention. Sorry about that.

There is no such thing as "to know for sure" when doing this. You know that already. To many different people doing way to many different things. that's why I gave a max example as there are only 2 in the world that can produce that number.

Don't know what his line of testing would be, but you know from my many post about what true stock is suppose to be are what I base my numbers off of.

And with or without cpu influence the numbers are still valid. Because it applies to both cards. Unless you are going from a dual core & 1080 to a octa core and 2080 or something as vast as that example. Then there would surely be a vast discrepancy in the over all numbers. This does not apply to running test one of 3dmark11 as you can bench test 1 using a single core and get the basically the same numbers as using an octa core for gpu score.

At the end of the day, gaming doesn't even matter if you get above 60 fps solid since the majority are still running 60hz screens.

I may have some Division 2 or Destiny 2 numbers later if I get time, but 2080 is better, but not better than sli'd 1080's.

 

Agreed. It’s amazing how many don’t realize how much the CPU matters in games today, especially at 1080p. Even if the frames in games are similar, a much better cpu will eliminate stuttering and small hiccups that most don’t record when benching. After owning the 9700/2080 combo, I would bet anything the 9900/2070 would perform better or smoother in many games at 1080p. Games today are wrecking CPUs, I see 70 to 100 percent utilization in anthem, black ops 4, apex, division 2. The 9900k would have helped a ton in these games. People say the 9700k is a good cpu but I’m telling you it’s already not enough for games today if you want high frames at 1920x1080. For higher resolutions or lower refresh rates its more than enough.


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This is pretty much with everything. Funny thing is we use to complain about this in benchmarks back in the day. LOL
How they were really basing scoring off of these cpu's running off ln2 while the gpu was running stock. And they would kill us, but in the end it all made perfect sense.

Examples for games:
More cores
More cores and threads
More speed
More speed and cores
More speed, cores and threads.

Watching the utilization in real time shows this type of mapping.

 

It looks like it's the first batch. Can't remember seen 150.000W PL1 for the newer.

Well below 25% increased performance if you overclock. Is this huge uplift after +2 years waiting? Remember the performance difference going from 780/880M to 980 series? Or from 980 to 1080?

 

Can someone give me some advice regarding GPU undervolting?
CPU is easy. Especially in Intel XTU. A neet little slider, that both takes cpu and cache voltages into account. Will probably try to reach -100mv, and I should be fine.

Though GPU is a little more tricky especially since there is also power throttling on the 2080. I checked the frequency graph in MSI afterburner. people playing with certain voltages on certain clock speeds. But it's hard to pinpoint for me to which specific mhz nodes I should tinker with.
Any advice on that?

Also I definitely don't want to push it till my system gets unstable. e.g. on my CPU does it get unstable at -100mv. than I most likely will keep it at like -70mv. just to make sure. as probably my tests aren't a real stress test that runs for like hours and hours.
So yeah, any tips on the GPU? Also is stress testing on like Heaven benchmark fine enough? Or should I use other software too?

 

Yes but you have to add in RTX and see that it performs way better there cause of the tensor cores vs a 1080 with RTX. Only issue is the games suck with RTX right now. If games did well with RTX this would be a nice leap from the 10 series. But nvidia relied on game developers to implement RTX, BIG MISTAKE. They also relied on developers to implement explicit multi GPU and that failed miserably and killed sli


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I don't talk about RTX features some/few use. More the pure performance uplift differences. You said the pretty good performance boost.

 

Yes but since consoles will have RTX, RTX is the future and will matter pretty soon. If you look at dlss and RTX, this is a huge leap from the 10 series. Plain performance in normal games? I agree it’s not amazing but noticeable


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Yeah

 

At least nvidia is pushing new tech and trying to advance PCs lol


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Hi all, I did a fresh install on my 51m and I can't get the Realtek audio console to load. I installed the Realtek audio drivers from Dell and the Audio Console from them. It successfully installs from the Windows store but upon launching gives me the message that "Realtek Audio Console doesn't support for this machine."

Any thoughts?

 

Well majority of gamers want more performance and fps...not features that only a handful of games utilize. Such a sad lack of real competition from amd we are given these small incremental upgrades. I don’t think it’s worth upgrading from the 10 series but that’s just me. If you still have a gtx 970 going to a 2070 would be good though.

 

Yes they did get RTx out too early. But the 20 series will really shine next year with the PS5 coming out and sporting RTX hardware. They are saying it will be around the 2060 in performance. 10 series will not be able to come close to the 20 series in RTX games. I do love raw FPS, but we need to get back to advancing graphics. We need developers like crytek to make games like Crysis 1 that push PC hardware/graphics forward. Today it’s just a bunch of kids who want 240 frames in fortnite and apex legends, games that look like they came from the gamecube era in the graphics department.


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Found this from the reputable @Mr. Fox which might help?

 

Just so the comparaison is right.


Desktop
All
i7-4790k
16GB Ram



780 to 980 = 4,695 graphic score difference = 35%
980 to 1080 = 8,147 graphic score difference = 45%
1080 to 2080 = 4,798 graphic score difference. = 18%


Laptop
Any CPU
Any Ram



780m to 980m = 6,714 graphic score difference = 92%
980m to 1080 (notebook) = 11,952 graphic score difference = 85%
1080 (Notebook) to 2080 (notebook) = 5,159 graphic score difference = 19%



You can see that the gap on PC is closer than on Desktop and that pascal was a huge leap in the portable market.

 

Just arrived delivery email for April 23rd the time never goes, I can't wait to get my hands on this laptop !! order of March 28th should be the second lot

 

AMD hardware is being used by both Sony and Microsoft for their Consoles. Nvidia isn't providing the CPU / GPU / APU for the consoles so I seriously doubt Sony or Microsoft or AMD or Intel will call Real-Time Ray-Tracing, "RTX".

"RTX" is Nvidia's attempt at pushing a proprietary hardware solution it wouldn't even share with it's own GTX hardware at release, let alone Intel or AMD...

Perhaps we will all be surprised and AMD will include Nvidia licensed "RTX" hardware acceleration in the Consoles and PC GPU's, but more likely it will be software real-time Ray-tracing features tuned for use with general GPU hardware features common to all modern GPU's.

Perhaps the Navi generation general purpose AMD Console / PC GPU hardware will be "tweaked" in some ways to assist in getting more of the GPU to operate in parallel - keeping with generational performance improvements in the Navi / Console hardware - allowing the new hardware to all be in use - instead of the Nvidia method of idling RTX / Tensor cores when not in direct use.

AMD likely will also not penalize the GTX / RX / Vega GPU's - they will be able to play games using Real-Time Ray-Tracing effects, with a scalable sprinkling of pixie dust effects on more or less capable hardware.

"RTX" isn't the correct name to use for Real-time Ray-Tracing effects on Sony or Microsoft Console / AMD GPU's or APU's / Intel GPU hardware, is what I am saying.

 

Thank you.

Also I just installed the latest nvidia drivers, and have a weird flickering issue.
I have an external monitor and also have the laptop its own screen open at all times showing the temps through Alienware command center.

And there are weird strokes of colors flickering over the screen. This only happens when both monitors are enabled at the same time.
Makes me remember the weird issue I had on the laptop that died using DX12 on Metro exodus, causing the game to crash, which also only happened when both monitors were working at the same time. There must be something wrong with my external monitor.

 

NA math bro
Fixed

780 to 980 = 4,695 graphic score difference = 35%
980 to 1080 = 8,147 graphic score difference = 45%
1080 to 2080 = 4,798 graphic score difference. = 18%

780m to 980m = 6,714 graphic score difference = 92%
980m to 1080 (notebook) = 11,952 graphic score difference = 85%
1080 (Notebook) to 2080 (notebook) = 5,159 graphic score difference = 19%

 

well got my email delivery for 2nd may for my new laptop after first popped hopefully this one works wasnt offered a repair just straight swap for new laptpp or refund and had a perfect screen too hope this one has too and doesnt blow up this time or think ill get refund not chancing a 3rd ill just order again after xmas should have problems all solved then

 

LOL

No offense to anybody who likes 'em, but I can't stand the new wave of cartoony "fun" shooters. It doesn't makes sense to me to combine cute, rascally characters with the theme of deadly combat...

 

Thanks for the info. If I upgrade to pro, will it only be able to be used on this machine?

 

I tried to undervolt my gpu. Going good so far, but I forgot how the original voltage/frequency curve was.
Is there an option in msi afterburner to set that back to default?

Edit: nvm. I didn't make my changes to auto load, so after a restart it was back to original values which I stored as a profile just in case.
So all good.

 

How was it? Easy enough? Temps and confidence building with the UV?

 

Some updates here :

Laptop sent Apr, 10 to Dell's workshop in Germany

Current status : "The repair of your device requires additional analysis. Our engineers are working on solving the issue."

Don't know what "additional analysis" mean... but yeah i got an estimated return on next week... don't know if i can trust this date though...

 

Okay so my voltages were around 1035 ish, it would fluxuate around that.
I downvolted it to 950 mv.

Results were stable, no issues. Power throttling was still present though.
But barely any temperature difference. like 1-2 degrees.

Not worth the hassle imho.

EDIT: Forgot to mention. on lower end games where the GPU didn't get really hot like overwatch, where the temps are like around the mid 60. On those stuff the temp difference was a little larger. But for the games where it mattered most like Metro exodus. Barely any difference to my disappointment.

 

Bro, maybe you should keep everything as it is and dont touch to many settings like you did before.
Just enjoy the laptop play some games r whatever.

i can see clearly now how your other unit went up in smoke lol

 

What does the 51m do when you use a single 180W/240W brick? Will it run or not at all?

 

I believe the CPU is capable of 100% but the GPU is somewhat held back.

 

It will power throttle to 2060 Max Q speeds (Or so I've read somewhere here).

 

Is it just me or is this the slowest booting laptop in the world? I'd turn it on, I'll see the Alienware logo, then the keyboards lights flash like a rainbow color, then after like 10 seconds, the keyboard light changes to the blue color that I set previously in the Alienware Command Center then only do I see the windows loading icon spinning. I tried setting the BIOS to defaults but that didn't help. using the latest 1.3.2 BIOS by the way.

 

Hmm, mine boots up pretty quickly. I get to the windows screen within 5 seconds of pressing the power button, or so it seems. But mine does the keyboard thing as well.

I'll time it here in a bit and see exactly how long it takes to boot to the login screen.

Edit: On a clean Windows install, not the Dell image.

 

Mine boots in about 11 seconds and that includes the extra 1 second because I run 2 m.2 drives in RAID plus the extra 5 seconds because I turn off fast boot on Windows.

 

strange, are you on the Dell factory Image or clean Windows install?

 

Always clean, I don't trust Dell images.

 

Hope someone can confirm this, i don't want to have to take both PSU's to work.

 

Mine boots quickly as well, I’m using the stock dell windows installation


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Why turn off fast boot?

 

I'm wondering could it be because of the 2TB Seagate FireCuda Gaming SSHD that I installed instead of the 1TB 7200 RPM HDD that came with the laptop? The OS is installed in RAID 0 on the 2x 960 PROs

 

I doubt the mechanical drive having anything to do with it. Especially if its just data drive not boot.