*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

uh yeah what a smoking hot machine

but the score isn't that bad compared to a desktop, would be interesting to see it looped for a few minutes..^^
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The thing about these newer GPUs like pascal is that when it hits the power limit, it will throttle down to maintain the specified power limit in vbios, NOT crash and cause instability. in 2080 laptop case, OC it by a bit (assuming without undervolting) will cause the GPU to hit it's limit sooner which should trigger the automatic power regulation, again NOT crashing or instability. I've done plenty of undervolt on my 1080, it's easy, but if you overdo it, it will crash. now i dont hava a turing yet to test, but if pascal is any indication, OC turing by A BIT (without undervolt) should be no issue at all. once it hits it's defined 150W, it should trottle, not crash

 

i would take that ces video with a grain of salt. that laptop was disassembled countless times, probably has air trappped between the cpu and heatsink. the chinese video is a far better indication of the real thing.

 

i really hope you're right

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Interesting. An ES unit vs an alleged brand new retail unit. Your funny. The only thing that happen was everyone had their hands on it, no one was allowed to take it apart. And they had 4 of them running.

 

No one?

 

Only talking only about the ones they had on display at the time of the video.

The machines you see taken apart are still floating around between reviewers.

Edit:
I'm not here to bash the Area 51M. I'm here to make sure they present the facts right and fix any nonsense before they ship to customers. And that goes for any manufacture. The thing we all hate most as consumers is getting a subpar product based off of half assed reviews from units that are pumped up so you assume they are better than what they are. The reviewer has no clue that this is not going to be the production unit. That is the problem I have.

 

Ah ok. I was curious why you would say that when they definitely took some apart to show off how easy it was to take apart. It would be smart if they just took the same one apart and didn't actually run it. But it is Dell we're talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if they just slapped it back together and use it for demoing.

 

I know what you mean. I looked over a few machines for that. And even asked a few different people that were there and was told what was going on. Hell, one guy got all mad because some other guy touched the lid to get a picture for his blog. The guy that got mad was demoing some new screen tech or whatever and was actually rude about it. So i closed his other screen to see what would happen. LOL

 

I wonder how hot it will run with Dell's adverticed 5.2GHz overclock profile

 

How about we keep it civil in here?

 

What I'm curious to see is the supposed different heat sinks. Until I see it I'll take rumors as just that, rumors. And honestly until Jarrodtech or some of the NBR members get it I'll stay hopeful.

The only thing I'm worried about is the thermal paste. I've seen enough people repaste their 15 r4/r3 and 17 r5/r4 that they run quite cool when gaming. I'm hoping alienware uses decent paste this time around.

 

No, actually it's not far off, but again that has to do with Dells settings. The bios was all locked down. Stock for 4.7 Ghz is about 2020 to 2060 in Cinebench R15.

 

@custom90gt I thought you said "Lets keep it civil?"

 

You mean all depends on the binning?

 

wasnt jarrods p775tm (or whatever the current clevos are called) at around 1500 with equal temperatures in CbR15? i think Johnksss CB run is not that bad it's just hot and that's actually what we all kind of expected it to be right?^^
but it would still be awesome if the actual production units run cooler
we'll see

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I do hope they are good running chips since the other full desktop 2080's in laptops are 150w right? My current desktop is a 1080 ti and a 5820k. So an Area 51m with a 2080 and 9700k should be a side grade for me. Based on some of the firestrike scores I've seen they would be within spitting distance from what I would get on my desktop. Though my 1080ti definitely gets a higher gpu score. But I'll have to see how that translates into gameplay. That's the be all end all result I care about. If it games well on my 3440 x 1440 100hz monitor I'll be as snug as bug in a rug.

I think anyone wanting a 9900k in this laptop should be getting delidded and binned chips from sellers like Hidevolution. Even on desktops it still runs hot once you start overclocking it. Plus since I'll be gaming the 9700k is more or less equal to the 9900k from benchmarks I've seen for games. Unless the game that's advantage of hyper threading it's kind of a waste. Although I know members like @Ultra Male just want the best of the best. Which I'm ok with. Lol.

Well I'm definitely repasting mine. Forget what Frank Anzor says as I know I can go a better job pasting than any dell employee. And I would gladly prove it. But that is like saying I could run and marathon better than any 3 year old. Lol

 

P775 is running around 1950 to 1980, but that can be improved over time. (more than likely)

 

Have you tried undervolting your 9900K? If so, how low on average were you able to go and still maintain full turbo speeds, etc.?

 

It depends on what is set in the bios, but he average is -125/-125. It can go as high as -80 or as low as -150 or so. Again, this is based on settings in the bios.

 

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/AV_MqJceYyY?start=470
i'm talking stock, but maybe i missunderstood something

 

Yes, the numbers I gave you are for stock. What we do is find out what "working stock" is first before posting scores.

 

Get the butter ready for the popcorn!

 

okay so miles may vary? or did jarrodstech screw up?
stock is out of the box to me (well maybe AWs CES units weren't stock)

 

The problem is they are feeding the cpu way to much voltage for the over clock they are trying to hold.
So one needs to find out what the stable voltage is first. Once this is established, then you can find out what "true stock" is.

 

Some early tests from China

 

All I can say... This 5.2GHz oc profil with 136W power cap will work equal good as Dell's adverticed 5.0GHz oc profile for unlocked i9-8950Hk power capped at 110w. But yeah, I will have to purchase some popcorn

 

The problem is I do not know unless I test it myself. I can not run around posting other peoples results and feel comfortable about it. That's why I generally wait till I get a machine in my hands and test it or some forum members that iI trust to bring the truth. Then I know what it's supposed to do as opposed to what they want me to think it should do. Waiting to see if I can find an Area 51M to test. Then I can give you a 100 percent verdict. Right now everything is pretty much speculations.

 

j00 have s3l3ct3d the wr0ng sm!l!3 my well scrubbed friend!

 

@mobile96
Let me explain it in more depth.
Stock to us as consumers is what comes out of the box and what you can do to make it perform as intended. There has never been a system that performs peek out of the box with the manufactures settings. These settings are to generalized to be effective. Had we gone by this long ago, then things would already be 1000 times worse today. (Talking out loud) Since when is 1.4 volts ever feasible at 4.7 ghz? Answer is never! This seems to be the growing trend. Hit us with all these extra volts and then wonder why it throttles or instant overheating. When we say we are undervolting a system, in reality it's setting the system back to where it's supposed to be from the start. Something like 1.120V 160W/200W to run Cinebench R15@ 4.7 Ghz. If you trying running with the voltage in the 1.3 range and watts at 93W/113W, guess what....a much lower score do to power throttling or thermal throttling. They're are a few setting that have to be changed before you can even start testing or your results get trashed because it's not true stock. It's what the manufacture wants you to assume is stock so you accept unnecessary power and thermal throttling. Just like everyone wants to change the pads from day one, you should also want to run your laptop with the correct voltage from day one...... I hope this makes more sense.

 

so what you're telling me is that stock does not mean out of the box but what the machine can do after software tweaking without any bios/hardware mods right?
makes sense to me because it's still compareable and showing the actual potential of the unmodded computer
thanks for explaining

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This is true in some cases, while in most others the system has to be modded because someone at HQ made an engineering mistake in coding and they do not know how to fix it or want to. This could be bios or ec related. If we do not do our due diligence in these matters we get shafted in the end. That's why we come together as a community to find and get these problems fixed. If I spend $4500 on a laptop i damn sure want to be able to use it at stock without throttling surfing the internet. (That was and exaggerated example, but you get the idea)

No problem.

 

Yeah, that's pretty silly. Funny how someone that shares their own hands-on and eyes-on information that is not a Kool-Aid drinker is being called a troll by one person that has not seen or touched one.

 

Ok then. That's bad.

Are these blowing at max fan profile?

 

No, that was auto fans that eventually kicked in.

 

Ah. I never had faith in auto fan profiles.

Would be interesting to see it on max fan profile to see what it can do. At this point I will lower my expectations a bit. High 80s to low 90s. Maybe a good repasting can turn things around.

 

Won't really know till we can get one for testing.

 

referring to that video we can see:

- that the 9900k gets pretty hot
- it has enough power limit to stay at 4.7ghz allcore.
- thermal throttle to 4.6ghz

thats all. Atm we dont know what thermal paste they used and we dont know the settings ( any form of UV?). We all know that Dells FAN Management is realy slow. So there are good chances that the fans startet at the end of the CB run.

The i9 8950HK was not able to hold stock boost (4.3 no UV) without reaching 100 degree and/or power limit throttling. So far iam in good spirits that we can run the 9900k with decent clocks and temps when we use an delidded CPU, LM and UV.

 

Better hope hwinfo/notebookfancontrol can control the fans. Liquid metal will be a must, as is the case with extreme intel chips (even though the 9900K isn't "extreme", it is pretty extreme in a notebook). Hopefully max fans, liquid metal, bypass EC power limit, and good undervolt will keep this thing boosting at max speed, but I have my doubts with Alienware's track record of hard clamping 330W on Alienware 18 and then resorting to that bullsit joke of "hybrid power" that discharges your battery under load even when using AC power.

 

Dell don't offer max fan speed button. Have to rely on 3rd party app as Hwinfo.

At the end of the Cinebench run? Nope. Within 5 sec and temp passed 90C. The cpu would boil without fan kicked in before the end.

 

Didn't they update the command center? i was hoping that they included a max fan option in there...

 

AWCC has max speed profile. And you already had an A51m in your hands that you know how the Fan management works? In the aw17R4/5 it was so slow that the fans startet in the mid of the bench and reached max after the bench...

Dells fans dont ,,kick in,, they slowly start to spin and it takes far more than 5 seconds to get mo max rpm

 

You mean you can switch on/of max fans? I don't talk about fan profiles. In Clevo we click Fn+1 for max fan speed. If the fans started run at max rpm at the end it would be too late.

 

Are we really going to discuss how to start max fan? you press 2 buttons... i do 2 klicks... and now? If i klick on ,,max fan,, in AWCC they start to spin at max immediatley

 

Just looked it up you can fix them at 100%

 

i have 4 dell profiles in my CC siltent and max mode is missing in your CC

 

that's not mine i don't have one currently^^ your the better source for the AWCC here^^ i just looked it up on youtube because i wanted to know (and didn't see you already replied)

 

...and delidding the CPU is also a must. I don't even bother testing temps before delidding any more. It's just a waste of time and thermal paste to even bother assembling it before a delid. The 15-20°C temperature reduction that occurs pretty much 100% of the time is a no brainer.

 

15-20 degree even with the soldered 9900k?