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Yes, that's right. I'm looking for the power intake for the connected psu's. For the moment I have only found that information in BIOS, but it would be nice to have that info also in windows applications.
That's not good, if a vbios intended to lower the temps actually does the opposite increasing them... Hope you are able to flash the 200w again after you finish your tests. Thanks for the information
Those performance limit reasons are symptomatic of one (or both) of the following conditions:
cancer firmware
user error in applying faulty BIOS settings
The only hope there is when BIOS settings are hidden is that a third-party utility like ThrottleStop or XTU can override the cancer. If they cannot, the product will be prema-broken. If the cancer has metastasized and is embedded in the EC, the opportunity for redemption is more or less non-existent. Even if the BIOS settings are exposed through firmware mods, it is usually not sufficient to correct or compensate for the cancer code that has infected the EC. Brother
@Falkentyne struggled with this sort of idiocy in his venture into MSI EC cancer hell, and even
@Prema magic wasn't strong enough to completely eradicate it with the EVOC 16L-G-1080 / MSI 16L13 / Eurocom Tornado F5. The greatest hardware on the planet is worthless with borked firmware. Unfortunately, most firmware in laptop land is broken beyond repair. Some worse than others.
So it looks like the new TIM helped.
Playing Division 2 (Performance Fans)
GPU is maxing out now at 68c with voltage at .906. Much better than the 75c before. Not sure if I should bother trying lower on undervolt.
CPU is maxing out at 85c with averages in the mid 70's. Much better than the max being 91c before.
My tubes are on the way, I have Conductonaut in the drawer but I'm holding off installing it until I get the Phobya stuff so I can apply the Nano grease to the GPU and Conductonaut on the CPU. Don't wanna open the laptop up twice you know.
Reposting this for clarification, so that as many Area-51 owners as possible know to not update to the newly released 1.5.4 System BIOS. Avoid it at all costs. Same goes for the newly released VBIOS for the RTX 2080. Got a feeling Dell screwed up with that one too. We must patiently wait for the fixed versions, which should come pretty soon hopefully.
I put a generous amount and spread it manually with the tool provided. Not sure how much to use so I made sure it was covered well. First time I’ve applied TIM like this other than the LM I used in my Sager.
Agreed with everyone else on avoiding that 1.5.4 bios update. I was playing Fortnite (you know that really gpu hungry game...) at a nice 280 fps...as soon as my temps hit 76 degrees it drops me down to throttle mode which put me at 35 fps lol. Safe to say I promptly reverted back to 1.5.0. Absolute garbage release by Dell.
Just an update. Tried to call Dell twice today (about 11am CST and about noon CST) and both times was on hold for 10+ minutes before giving up.
I just emailed them now after going through my CC statements with a fine tooth comb... only to realize I can literally just search for "Dell" and get all my info ;-p Yup... $3,7xx on 3/7 and no refund or credit anywhere since, even though Credit Memo hit Dell.com on 5/12.
Not the end of the world - you bet I downloaded the Credit Memo from their site so I have it on the ready if for some reason I have to ask AMEX to do a chargeback. Hopefully I hear back from Dell by Mon. I'll let everyone know what happens.
Thank you for your detailed reply Sir, I appreciate it.
I haven't changed any setting in the BIOS that is CPU, overclocking or performance related, it must be something in the firmware which is throwing these errors. Although, from what I've read online, it doesn't impact the performance of the system.
Currently, I'm running Throttlestop to run my 9700K @ 4.8Ghz on all cores (4.9Ghz while 2 cores active) and getting great temps with anything I throw at it.
Sent from a Galaxy S9+
What's is the speed of your GPU at .906V. It sounds awfully low..
Hehe. Ya, that BIOS is as generic as a Mini Van considering they sell this system like a Aston Martin or something like that...
However, after my repaste and tweaking this system for the past 2 days, I'm very happy with the performance of the machine. It does seem to run at its advertised values, within 5% of the performance of its desktop counterparts and I will take that in this form factor and the support of Dell awesome warranty.
The only thing that bugs me out is the RAM running at 2400Mhz, overclocking locked into their AWCC crap, Manual Fan Curve broken down, them pushing out BIOSes which craps the system out at 77C and the silence of Dell's/AW regarding the burning debacle. And judging by the history of AW not listening to customer base, I'm not very optimistic either.
Yeah, it sucks offer lower than stock ram speed vs. Intels specs. And the useless OC app should never been offered. Everything should be in firmware. If people want that app... That's another story
They could sell their souls and visit Micro$haft Store if they absolutely need it.
From what I know... You run 9700K. This will of course help on temps
Ya, it's a 9700K, delidded and awesomely binned chip I might add. It runs at 4.9Ghz on 4 cores active and 4.8Ghz on all 8 cores and has never gone beyond 80C for my regular usage and gaming needs. While benching and using Throttlestop stress tests(which I love by the way and I think it's the most reasonable stress test out there), it goes to 90C on some of the cores and I am perfectly fine with that. I just copied 42GBs of Skyrim SE mods (4K textures and ENBs) and it copied from my Crucial P1 to 660p Intel in under 4 minutes, CPU never hit 75°. I'm more happy with this than I should be considering I'm coming from a 2920XM and a mechanical secondary drive.
I had never ever used Microsoft store until I bought this system. It sucks that AW are pushing out apps through this junk store and also, looks like nvidia are doing it. No matter which nvidia drivers I use, I never get the nvidia control panel on desktop (right click) I'm having to download the control panel separately through the app store every time and I do not like it one bit.
We post every new Nvidia driver that being released.
Bro
@j95 always post his driver mods for each new Nvidia WHQL drivers. No need to visit the Microsoft crApp Store.
Choose 1.3.2 over 1.3.0 because 1.3.2 has some noticeable "Performance Enhancements" or as Dell says,
"Enhanced the performance of the system." on the
download page, that are not in the base 1.3.0 version. For me, 1.3.2 feels A LOT snappier than 1.5.0. The new Intel micro code that they push with every new version of BIOS actually slows things down to some extent as well. But hey, you have all these versions at hand and
now you can install any one of them without worrying about locks or limitations. So just try each and every one of them out and keep what works best for you.
Great post! Truly appreciated. I'm now on 1.3.2 which I've never used before. Time to test it out!
Sent from a Galaxy S9+
Hey guys, the only remaining issue I have with this system is that I can't seem to be able to change the .icc profiles shared earlier in the thread. I've successfully added all of them to the Color Management profiles tab and its showing all of them. But when I click "set as default" to any one of them, it doesn't do anything.
I used to use this on my old Windows 10 installation (M17xR3) flawlessly but something is not right with this one. Am I missing something here? Do I need to some extra Admin rights or something? Any tips will be appreciated. Thanks
Got a bit more time to toy with the 180W and 200W vbios. I am sorry I can't find the 190W one, on the website there is an older version but it seems to take you to the 200W one.
1) The good news is that it's easy to upgrade/downgrade from them. With no external screen connected I had no issues. You can see it's a downgrade from the versions but it never complained about it, I swapped them 10 times now.
2) My first impression (that it got hotter) was bad, thermals are better in 180W and it seems to be derived from lower voltages both value wise and the way the curve applies them to clock values.
I've done each 2x Metro Exodus benchmarks Extreme runs with 200% shading (it's pretty much ultra @4K) with and without undervolting, all of them on Performance Fan profile.
These are the results:
I still find it hilarious that undervolting yields better performance in both cases.
What's not in the table is the fact that the average VCC for 180W is lower, maybe a wiser person can tell us if the performance drop is from that. Unfortunately I wasn't wise enough to write down the AVG too but it was noticeable to the naked eye. On the 200W it pretty much starts at 1.000 V and it goes up and down, while on 180W it started rather low (~800 mV) and only very rarely got past 1.000V. I actually never saw 1.025 in the MSI overlay and just got it from the GPU-Z max value, while on 200W I could read 1.060+ loud and clear.
Personally I'll probably stick with undervolted 200W for now but It would be interesting to know if this 180W is actually intended to lower the burn risk. And truth be told, it might be worth the update, the performance difference is not mind bending and it seems to play it safer VCC wise.
Your temp limit got capped by the buggy awcc oc control, try apply any of the oc
Profile and change to off to see performance boost and temp over 80. This is not the real thermal performance of a 2080 as the wall is set to 75
play metro exodus longer to stress the temp
again, try to apply an oc profile in the AWCC , your temp wall is capped by a bug at 75c disable undervolt to see what happens.thermal stress at 80+ is actually normal for a rtx2080 in area51m
I’m not hitting that bug with the current setup that I’m aware of. My temps are at 68c running at 1935mhz. I’m not concerned with trying to overclock the GPU.
Would appreciate if you give us a before and after screenshot in furmark stress test per ten minutes if you are available. cuz that's the real thermal limit test for a system.
I'm a little too leery of running furmark these days as I'm not trying to push my hardware to the thermal limit. Maybe Furmark has a bad rap for destroying cards or pushing them to an unrealistic workload. AIDA64 I imagine would be a better choice.
My post was to respond to questions earlier about my undervolt and where my GPU clocks were sitting. I'm not running the latest BIOS but I wanted to see if I could keep my temps lower than 75c and it looks like I've been able to pull that off in the scenarios I would use the device in.
I don't know if you already fix this, because i reading late on this thread and it's difficult to keep on new posts lol. I have the same problem yesterday after trying to install the update. And i fix it with:
1. Uninstall with revo, and clear registry.
2. Reboot, and go windows store and download again Alienware Command Center.
3. Run alienware CC and it's going to ask to update. Try to Install. If the same error comes just try again to install but know choose to extract files for a folder on your PC.
4. Go to folder and right click on exe and run as admin and install.
That fix also the pop-up screen to ask to update everytime you start the computer.
I used
this sheet from Amazon. Amazing stuff I must say! I had a transparent carbon fiber skin on before but it was fading fast so I got rid of it and installed these instead.
I'm sorry man, I don't like the look of it at all. It looks like the laptop is injured and you've put some plaster over the broken areas. No offense brother, just an observation. I liked your white carbon fiber skin a lot better...
Different strokes for different folks I suppose...
Yall, recently got my extra heatsink. Turns out i actually had installed my primary drive with a Dell heatsink already XD.
My primary (OS) 1tb 960 pro is running
REALLY HOT after a few seconds of writes using crystal or ATTO (87C or higher with max fans) and
for some reason maxing out at around 1.8gb/s to 2gb/s writes and around 2.5gb/s reads. It performed over 3gb/s for both reads and writes in previous laptops like an Asus Zephyrus.
My secondary PCIE is a 950 pro which is located ironically much farther away from the fans and doesn't seem to be overheating from what I can tell. Its performing around the same speed or even in some cases slightly faster than my 960 pro...
I really don't want to keep having to unnecessarily open my laptop. Are these high temps and low ssd speeds typical?
How do you find the notebook cooler underneath? Does it help? Which one are you using? I had one a while back with a different laptop, but was worried this one was too large to work well on top of one...
Should I be messing in NVidia control panel at all to improve perf?
Should I set PhysX to CPU?
Can someone recommend a decent oc guide or share some decent cpu and gpu oc values for tweaking with? Trying to get Metro and BF5 to perform at its finest on my unit
Ready for some ray tracing goodness!
Metro Exodus bench stock Raytracing DLSS Off with max fans:
81C max CPU temp
68C max GPU Temp
Avg Framerate: 48.87fps
Max Framerate: 67.25fps
Min Framerate: 29.94fps
Do you have those stickers on the chips when the heat-sink is installed? The Crucial P1 I received from Hidevolution had the stickers installed and it was running slightly hotter than I was comfortable with. I decided to remove the stickers on both my P1 and 660P and installed the heat-sink over the chips directly and is running much cooler now. I have stored the sicker somewhere safe in case I need it for warranty issues.
I have stickers on both, but its odd the 950 is running just fine without issues. Even weirder still, I felt the heatsinks Dell sent me were thinner and lower quality (looser and not sticking well to the 950) than the one that came with my unit I have on the 960 pro.
Yet the 960 pro is capping out at only 1.8gb/s????
That's too hot and something is not right at all. You shouldn't use it like that because it'll seriously hamper your drive performance and its longevity too.
Try to shift the m.2s around and see if it makes a difference? I would get rid of those stickers too if I were you. I am currently coping 600GB from my external drive to my 660p secondary and you can see the temps below..its super cool and I'm using balanced fan at the moment.
Even at 70c and lower its maxing at 1.8-2gb/s writes
Reads are maxing at 2.5-2.7gb/s. Nowhere near the 3.5 it used to hit...
84+ Celsius on 960 pro...
For Comparison -- 950 Pro:
Oddly as well, my brand new 860 pro 4tb only writes at max of 480mps rather than 520mbps yet reads at the advertised 530mbps? No temp issues with the 860 that I know of.
correct, first cable they sent was the first they made for 51m and was like 13ft long lol. So I had them make me another about 6ft. Love that psu been using maybe 5 weeks? no issues.
Looks like I got a faulty second 330 psu. I thought error was due to it detecting more power than needed. But it must just been thinking I had one good psu in.
Luckily had other 330w dell chargers and two boot up no prompt and things run full speed
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
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