*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Considering Gamerz Nexus got around 4 degree drop from liquid metal I'd say the solder isn't bad quality. Sure they clearly could've used something better. But I think the high temps are more to with intel rushing to stay ahead of amd ryzen.

 

My delidded and Binned 9900k just arrived today from Silicon Lottery, interested to see what difference if any from the oem 9900k that is coming with my system.

 

Where did you get yours? I've been considering getting one down the road depending on members results.

 

https://siliconlottery.com/

 

I realize we're more interested in what 51m can do in today's latest article, as opposed to say shenanigans over at Tom's Hardware inside that same article, which I'd like to discuss - shenanigans - so feel free to bail out if review shenanigans isn't your cup of tea

Benchmarks

Spoiler: 51m

Note the Alien is up against, oh, Origin's older 8700k/1080 & a mix of MSI'S older & newer GT75, & does well in those charts. I'm interested in 8700k/1080 benchmarks, so I did some detective work on Origin's benchmarks - like where they came from - & not to my surprise, Tom's used Sand Bags, probably on purpose to show the 51 out & ahead

Today's 51 article is by A.Freedman, & the benchmarks he used for the Origin are from a Jan 2018 review by S.Smith @ LaptopMag (those #'s are poor) ... I found it odd that Freedman would choose Jan 2018 benches done by S.Smith since he himself reviewed the Origin in Sept 2018 where it did better, & he compounded this folly by refusing to post his own better #'s

Spoiler: Origin Sept 2018

Note that S.Smith did her own review of an MSI GT75 just last week Jan.29 LaptopMag

The point is, between all of these Benches floating around, Origin & new MSI did better than today's published benchmark charts show:

ROTTR
Origin 74 | MSI 76 | 51m 92
(Today's Chart)
Origin 69 | MSI 76

Hitman
Origin 128 | MSI 140 | 51m 143
(Today's Chart)
Origin 96 | MSI 96​

Spoiler: True #'s

Freeman Sept 2018 Review

Smith Jan 2019

GTAV
Origin 69 | MSI 110 (spoiler earlier) | 51m 105
(Today's Chart)
Origin 55 | MSI 76​

Productivity Performance​

Freedman's article today also contains charts for GeekBench4, File Transfer Test & Handbrake, using sand bags from the Jan2018 S.Smith article, instead of his own Sept 2018 article

Origin GeekBench4
Today's Chart 21,273
9/2018 24,869

Origin File Transfer
Today 565.5
9/2018 865​

I don't have time to look into where the Aorus X9 #'s are from & can't say if they're sandbags or not

I have no interest in the Origin, MSI, or Giga; I do have an interest in what appears to be the intentional use of mis-leading #'s --> why would a guy quote someone else's older review on some sister-site when he can quote his own newer review, & in some instances NOT quote the same sister-site review WITH better #'s <-- Cherry Picking ... In some respects we may have an answer for why the world's most powerful DTR is still stuck over at Tom'sHardware getting a puff-piece shill review 'paid advertisement'. I suspect we'll see the same from the Alien's favorite shills over at HotHardware soon also. I have a choice to delete this post & my research, or post it; I can't flush it due to time invested, sorry

I'm glad to see the cream rises to the top - I'm also aware that plugging in better #'s didn't help the competition much - but when DTRs trade blows I'd like to see an honest fair fight when it happens

 

Does anyone know of a similar single power supply unit out there for the Area 51m (I guess its early stages now) like the Eurocom 780w to replace 2x Power supplies that works on the MSI and Clevo?

 

Fresh raid and thought about this thread. No changes or mods or performance tricks.


PS. The P870 does have raid 1. Does anyone know if the A51M does?

 

I think Dell locks down the use off brand power supplies. I know I read about it awhile back. Can't remember if it was physical or software related. I'm sure someone will test it once we get our hands on them.

I'm just gonna duct tape mine together and call it a day.

 

Lol. Seems like there is a market for someone to create a single holder for both of the adapters for easy movement, instead of lugging them both separately. One of the minor things that irks me about this laptop.

 

4c but after kinda ruining the die contact area. Its pretty much impossible to get it back to a smooth surface after removing the solder unfortunately.

 

I'm someone can make something for a 3D print and help us out. I'd do it myself but my 3D printer doesn't print larger projects well. So I can't prototype and double check my work.

True true. The most I've heard that can be achieved is 9-14 degrees. And that's pretty darn good. But it apparently takes alot of sanding and time to get that. I was looking at silicon lottery and they claim 4-9 degrees with a delid. So that's great considering if you'd want a 9900k in this little beast. ((Yes I'm calling a 17" laptop little.))

Why does that not surprise me? Lol. I have his custom laptop cooler bookmarked and plan to make you with some spare Vardar fans I got lying around. Figure it will be a fun project for this laptop.

 

Brother @Mr. Fox already made one. And they went in and blocked it from working on the Alienware series. It was brought in from the M18X series and worked great.

 

I think he is trying to keep it even. Those numbers came from when the laptops where new and new drivers. Saying this is what they come with just out the box.


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Since he likes to quote S.Smith's figures, she did a head-to-head 6days ago, MSI GT75 2080 vs 51m ... I assure u those numbers out-of-box on new-drivers are more relevant to today's chart than anything he might pluck from the past on old tech (note he plugged-in Smith's new Feb2nd head-to-head data for GT75: GeekBench 22,765, File Transfer 848.2, Handbrake 8:00; I know he copied her page but not her 2080 data but used the old 1080 instead from some other review); & there's no internal consistency on GT75 in past review charts either that suggests they only push day one figures & stick to them, you have to root around in past charts to notice how figures change (an admitted waste of time for our purposes here) but I do like & appreciate your observation. I prefer 51m pulls away & doesn't look back, so long as things stay on an even ground when it does it. Those charts today paint a picture of destruction (while not using the good heatsink) which I find a tad hard to swallow but also feel somewhat encouraged by

lol, [OT] edit, newly arrived auction: Custom Alienware Acrylic Gaming PC Hand Made $480/US Buy It Now ... going going gone

 

few takeaways from the disassembly.

GDDR6 memory is made by samsung (thank God)

VRMs are not visible from the front side of the card. hopefully it's not hidden at the back side with no active cooling. had nightmares with stuttering issue on GTX 1080 power delivery circuit overheating on R4.

DGFF looks like a 6 phase GPU 2 phase memory power delivery design vs 8 + 2 on FE boards.

thermal paste job looks decent?

 

How is the fan noise

 

no idea on this yet. non of the reviews are detailed enough at this point

 

They all appear to purposely avoid temps and fans and showing the dual power bricks.

 

Yeah, right! Because if there is any, those are exactly highest chances the weaknesses of this AW

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I was told but the rep a lot of the systems won’t need 2 ..

I’m trying to figure out what system to go with I have a 51m in order with 2080 for 2600 usd or I can save a 1000 and get a 2070 Eluktronics system for 1599

 

Not possible unless you are using it in the 'portable' mobile mode in which case you can supposedly use the smaller single power brick. Its lowest spec is still a 8700 with a 2070 and comes with 2 power bricks for a reason.

 

Do you think the 2080 is worth the extra 1000 usd

 

Can't be the only difference. What else are you getting with that system for that price? And make sure that the Eluktronics system (Clevo unit) has everything added inc CPU, RAM, HDD, and so on. I wouldn't pay $1000 extra for JUST a 2080.

 

One is a Eluktronics system with i7 8750h and rtx 2070 1599 with tax

And the Alienware is 51m is a 8700 rtx 2080 and 144hz panel .. 2600 with tax

 

As of right now only RAID0 is confirmed.

I would hope it has RAID1 support but we won't find out until someone gets their hands on this soon from the forums

 

Can you link in the exact system? These are 2 very different builds.

 

Are you saying that I cannot power my AW17R5 from my bench PSU or from any other PSU because they have implemented technology that detects the PSU?

 

it has been this way since a decade ago

 

I already posted proper info here... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-125#post-10861526

Dell use firmware to detect what psu you use. Via the middle pin in psu connector


You see, Dell love to implement proprietary design. This is nothing new.

 

But this is what most manufacturers do except for MSI and Gigabyte whom us standard Delta supplies.

 

You forgot add in Clevo. And from what I know... Not all notebook manufacturers use detecting pin. Some use own connector design. But this can be modded.

As you all should know by now... Dell killed that options early 2013.

 

I always thought that middle pin was rather thin for so many amps but did not give it second thought. It is a signal pin then, not power, but surely the schematic will be known by now so the PSU can be copied?

Now that we have this pointer, a simple search lands us onto this article:

https://www.laptop-junction.com/toast/content/inside-dell-ac-power-adapter-mystery-revealed

The article explains that there is a memory chip inside the laptop which is read through that middle pin, most likely the identification code for the PSU. It would be very hard to buy a similar chip and program it to impersonate a genuine Dell PSU.

Maybe it is easier to look into the BIOS code that carries out this task and hack it there, but we'd need a new BIOS. Dell do allow the BIOS image to be updated so I wonder if it's possible that a hacker has already done this?

 

The question is. How can you bypass Dell's lovely PCH/BootGuard mega-gimp cancer If you can mod the bios with an SPI programmer ... But this won't do nothing!

 

What is that? First I hear of it.

 

Signing key flashed into fuses on the CPU or and PCH chips. You find more with a Google search.
https://firmwaresecurity.com/2015/08/12/intel-boot-guard/

Dell is the bell sheep in this tech nasty technology.

 

Its a 2 edged sword imo, it prevents from poor quality PSU's that some people buy for 20 bucks use from frying the hardware. But yeah it also forces people to pay for their own PSU's.

 

No reason for 2 PSUs on any model with RTX 2070. They already said CPU is capped at 119W when GPU is in full use (126W solo). The RTX 2070 Will not consume more than 180W if it can even reach that. One 330W adapter will be fine.

You can get away with a 330W with RTX 2080 too if you dont overclock anything and make sure to tune voltage down. Probably run at about 74% full power. Which is enough to AAA game at 1080p easily. At 144 FPS though, I dont know.

 

A proprietary design will never ever be a good solution.

If people spend +$3000/5000 on a notebook then go chapo and buy a 20 bucks power brick... Tells everything.

 

Any reason they can't just make a 500w+ power supply and call it a day? Seems a little archaic to have multiple power supplies for this laptop.

 

It happens, waaaaay back when i did a study ict management. The first year i had to do an internship at a computer shop chain with a repair shop. The amount of cheap chargers and other periphals used was asrounding.

Bit the same as people that use cheap convenience store chargers on their 1000euro iphone X.

 

Dell use same power bricks for all their models. Make only one for this model doesn’t make sense. You forget the cost.

Shouln’t compare this with IPhone chargers. And 5v is a well used standard.

But of course, people are so different. Some run into all sorts of problems. Hardware, OS, drivers or software etc.

 

That is correct.

Some of you guys don't realize that we have been dealing with Alienware, before it was dell. Through the transition to Dell when the nonsense started to show up. Till we started having "behind the door discussions on how to keep the Alienware brand great. This is where we as a community made our tragic mistake! Thinking they were like Alienware and sharing our ideas on improvements. They soaked it up like a sponge and slowly started systematically closing doors and limiting options on the upgrade path. After the M18X ran it's course we were all set to get the next best thing, the Dell Branded Alienware series. Or so we thought....after prelim test came out from real users and not reviewers it started showing up as a real mess. No problem, we will fix it. Wrong! all codes were blocked. Bios locked and signed power caps implemented along with chip id. And that is just some of the stuff. All because we tried to help keep the brand as it was. Alienware.
Now, me personally.... I no longer have a real issue with them, just that i'm not buying one. And all this talk about it being the fast last laptop in the world with capped performance is another lie. That's like saying you have the fastest car in the world, but your capped at 60 mph and the record holds at 230 mph. While in the same exact breath saying well we hold steady at 60...well so does everyone else. The first to use LGA in a laptop? If you say so. This laptop they are now bringing out is something we were on them about since the M18X days. And whether you guys know it or not @Mr. Fox was leading the charge behind closed doors to get them to change policy. When it finally didn't work after a few years, like others on the same mission, we gave up.

With this new model and new line of thinking, we are hoping they are ready to get back to being Alienware high quality product and back to listening to public suggestions in the improving on it. They already "stated" on record that they "heard" us. Now is the time to see if that is really true....

Here is something from an Asus G703GX 100 percent BGA laptop.Also, this is out of the box.
This is also their version of stock and overclocked.

 

And the cost of brand image (inconveniencing users lugging two PSUs), the actual cost of the two power adaptors, the design, development and manufacturing costs of the motherboard adaptations and changes to host two DC connectors and all the associated circuitry. Surely building a single 550W-600W power PSU would be much preferable.

 

We have been asking this since 2012....It's 2019.....

This one works with any system using a 4 bin barrel
http://www.eurocom.com/configure(2,404,0)ec

 

What you think would be cheapest for Dell. Buy in (included the dev + verification cost and the two DC connectors) on lets say 40-50.000 units a year vs. +10 mill of their power adapters for the whole Dell line?

 

Hi everyone, trying to read this topic but got lost in too many pages so if this question was asked before sorry about that. I also have ordered 51m with 9700k, 2080, 144 hz display, 2x4gb ram (i want to buy 2x16gb separate) and 256gb nvme ssd. So my question is i want to add 1gb storage for steam games and cant decide between 1tb samsung 860 evo2.5 inch ssd (175 euro) and 1tb samsung 970 evo nvme (265 euro). Do i feel difference if i buy the cheaper one using games installation and storage? Thanks in advance for reading..

 

Where did you get your information regarding 2666mhz RAM?

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18207568

 

This is interesting price. So what configuration for 2600$?

 

Hummm, looks like that Socketed machine needs to play catch up....
Also to add to Pap's post
https://twitter.com/crasher1in/status/1092544376025182210?s=19

Edit:
When I say catch up....This only refers to being the fastest laptop in the world only.

Nothing to do with gaming or looks or anything else for that matter.