*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Hey bro 9700K vs 900K there is a difference in games and its pretty big.
This difference is not in the frame rates but in load.
For example while 9700K is under 70% load playing on 9900K is only 50-55% load. So I have to say difference is big.

 

How is that LM repaste on the 9900k with 2080 coming along? Looking forward to its results

 

I've watched Gamersnexus on a very detailed video on the two. And the price you pay is not worth it. There are games that the 9700k beats the 9900k. So no there is not a big difference. Just price. If you want the 9900k because you have the money then go for it. But telling people there is a big difference when it is well documented that it isn't? Don't do that. Some people want the best bang for the buck. And for gaming the 9700k is a much better value than the 9900k.

 

Im agree the value of 9700k is great and most of us will defo go for it.
I tested both in few new games , playing with streaming show me average 20% load difference in between 9700 and 9900. Frame rates was exactly this same.
Im massive gamer and i did not play new game yet where 9700k would beat 9900k.
Well like You said some people want bang for the buck but its not the best best bang for sure.

 

Also, the 9700K runs slightly cooler at stock speeds as far as I can tell. That’s a good thing.

 

Well that's why you're seeing better numbers. The hyper threading on the 9900K is helping alot with added load of streaming. So that makes alot of sense.
And when I say beat I don't mean there are times when the 9700k crushes the 9900k. I mean it might get 5ish more fps. The difference just isn't there. Even in games where the 9900k is the clear winner do to the game being able to take advantage of hyper threading I'd be hard pressed to believe you'd be able to tell without monitoring software.
There is also the cool factor of just being able to say "I have a 9900k in my system!"

 

Ah I might just had a version before that then. Currently running the latest version.

 

I am all about the cool factor.

 

if we go look chassis to chassis dimensions, it's just a few mm thinner than most LGA Clevo machines. The difference between a Clevo and a 51M should be negliable cause of the thickness in chassis. Also like you're stating you're being held back while that may not be the case on a Clevo machine. I'm not trying to bash the 51M. It looks like a nice machine with the performance to match, it just doesn't "outperform" like how the marketing would make me believe it would. I Thought AW was climbing straight to their respective glory days without throttling and holding the users back while the information that has been available looks like this is just another marketing ploy to reel in the last people that kept going on about having LGA and upgradeable graphics.

i still have 17 r5 that is going strong now, so i don't feel the urge to upgrade (and with some heavy overclocking my 1080 can match a 2080 cause mine is not restricted)
but i would buy an 51M if i saw one at the outlet (but not if there are still firmware/bios limitations)

The fact that people like @Johnksss @Mr. Fox and @Papusan have shown that desktops are overrated (cause even with SLI laptops can surpass desktops on air) makes me want to keep benching on a desktop replacement. It started to look nice when the 10 series gpu's came out but Nvidia messed everything up again making the laptop versions slower so now they won't be running equal anymore. My 1080 has kicked butt of 1080's in desktop with tripple fan cooling and 6 or 7 heatpipes while mine had to fair with only three.

again i'm not trying to bash, cause just like you i'm impressed (don't forget that putting your fans on silent makes your cpu and gpu downclock and won't let it run full speed) about the points the machine get's. I'm just not convinced this machine is the "first" and "fastest" Azor tried to make it look like. If i'm going to throw 3/4k towards a machine, it should perform like the best of it's class and outperform. Not barely scrape by. That's why i'm saying their are people with years old chassis running past a newly released machine only due to firmware and bios limitations.

apart from that if i was not the tweaker i am today, i would probably buy the 51m in a heartbeat. cuss from the outside it looks like a fine and mean machine. But i prefer sleepers (a volvo v40 T4 makes a nice sleeper) so it could look as ugly fiat multipla, as long as it performs like a mclaren p1. Buuut again my opinion !

can't wait to see your full opinion and tuning results.

 

Here you go buddy, my results from 5 back to back runs on the desktop at the same settings (@4.0GHz):


Like @Mr. Fox and I mentioned, on a normal windows install (one were you don't do minimal boot/disable all services/whatever) then there will be variance in scores...

I am curious where you got that impression from Mr. Fox? If anything he is a big proponent of desktops for benching. As much as I love laptops, they will never be as fast as a properly tuned desktop. Your 1080 may be faster than Jon Smith's stock 1080 triple fan, but it's not going to be close to the performance of someone who knows what they are doing.

Anyway I've done what I normally do and went way off topic. I am hoping for some good scores out of the 51M since more competition = better prices = more incentive to think outside the box = the customers win.

 

1000% agree with You.

 

I'm shocked nobody has modded the thermals and done some high OC yet to the

Pretty impressed with the system so far, the only thing that I was slightly expecting more on was the GPU scores? my 1080 SLI's (175 core 450 mem) scores 44,000, I was expecting more of a % gain it's around 18ish% if i worked it out correctly, to be honest.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18371657

 

The power cord connectors for the bricks is the wrong type

Would be nice if you could try out 3DM11 and 3DMark Vantage to see if you can reach the 180w Gpu power limits. Not many have posted results from the Rtx 2080. Thanks

3DMark 11 Basic Edition (Demo version free for use) DirectX 11 gaming is still topic.

3DMark Vantage (Free Key in the Download page to unlock the full version). Nice to max out power consumption.

Post pict of your results with Hwinfo64 in the background. And even better if you also have a kill-a-watt and can tell us the max power consumption from the wall.

Edit. Use latest Hwinfo64. Beta version v6.01, Build 3660

 

For the power cords you typically need one of each connector the 180w takes the clover connector shown above and the 240/330w take the standard pc psu cable

 

You mean something like this?

 

Yeah, if you have 180w + 240/330w power bricks.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320

Edit...
For those interested. I mean gamers (9700K vs. 9900K). Game Tests 1080p as Area-51m for now comes with 1080p panel.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_9700K/13.html

 

Do you have the UK link for this one?

 

Here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Lindy-3037...9%26rvr_ts%3Dfc7d0eb61680a99221d4c858fff3e2c9

 

Thank you for this!

 

Is the 9900k really ~50-70% better than the 8750H?

 

Can anyone offer some guidance on how Xotic is getting this kinda pricing? Am I missing something. I just looked myself, and sure enough, for the list price at Dell, I can basically get an upgrade from 8GB -> 64GB, a backlight bleed and pixel guarantee, and a 2yr warranty for free. PLUS all the cooling stuff like pads and liquid metal. Seems like a no-brainer unless I'm missing something.

 

Nice test. Seems I can rest easy on my 9700K choice.

Found this for EU ppl:

https://www.onlinekabelshop.nl/stroomkabel-met-1x-c5-1x-c13-plug-y-kabel-1-8-meter

Is it confirmed that this is will fit? If so, I'll buy it right away.

 

On some benchmarks like xtu benchmarks I saw over double scores than mine, around 3K posted, not quite sure 9700 or 9900 one and how much that implemented on real gaming FPS.
This is my multiple run 8750H score, not even 1,5K mostly on 1450ish.

 

So screen details for 1080p 144 is attached it’s an LG Phillips screen. Colour wise compared to qhd 120 hertz on r4/r5 it’s better, but the low resolution is notecable on windows and games and it’s not as bright 300 nits v 400 nits. Games look sharper on the qhd when I set my r5 next m51, but it’s not to bad. Still feels like a step backwards with resolution though.

The overall footprint of the m51 is smaller than the r4/r5 an I do prefer the overall look of it.

The sound on the m51 is inferior as there is no sub woofer sadly compared to r4/r5, disappointing for premium product.

Attached image of the back in black.

Will add some further comments soon.

Incidentally having issues installing nvidia 418.91, I’ve tried ddu, no joy. The error I get is can’t find nvidia hardwear and not comparable with windows.. any ideas. I’ve checked I have the right driver I’ve also tried both desktop and notebook drivers and windows is uptodate.
Has anyone else had this issue and installed the latest 418.91 driver on their m51? Also tried disabling nvidia gtx2080 in device manager - no joy.

 

Did You install this drivers from Dell website?
Only that works for AW 51M

 

Try looking in monoprice.com, it’ll probably be cheaper!

 

Good people what You think about this cooling stand? http://www.coolermaster.com/mobile/notepal-all-notepals/ergostand-III/ Or maybe You can recommend something better?
I need some angle for gaming with traditional keyboard. So with this one i can have cooling and angle.
Whats Your thoughts..

 

Just install Drivers from http://premamod.wordpress.com/

Dont forget to disable driver signature enforcement! It works!

 

I own this stand. The angles are nice to have. Cooling is pretty meh. You'll probably get 2-3 cooling with it from my experience. And at max speed it's fairly quiet

 

This one is great. Really. ;-)

https://www.amazon.com/Just-Mobile-Aluminum-Cooling-CB-200/dp/B00292AG4M

 

Use gf experience to update. That should work.

 

Slightly concerning that stock nvidia drivers don’t work straight from nvidia... ... probably due to DGFF.

Oh well. Nothing is without compromises.

 

Oh good lord they'll sell anything to Mac users won't they? Funny thing is this wouldn't help those laptops.

Just use two plastic soda caps. Then you can say it's custom.

 

LOL, a rod of aluminum with rubber bands for $35.

 

You legend. This is exactly what we need! I had been looking unsuccessfully for this very cable

 

Does anyone know the response time on the 144hz screen? Cant find any info of that..

 

Tested with HWinfo 6.01. Works with 2080... Hope you got the info you want..

https://imgur.com/a/3iL1jUd

 

I think in a video interview in YouTube at CES, Azor mentions it as sub 3ms, don’t quote me though!

 

Yes, I think will order it as well, then probably merge the 2 power bricks with something so I can transport 2 at once.

 

How are updates done then if not from Nvidia?

 

I repasted with LM and i must say, there is not that big of a difference... GPU around 2-3°C... CPU 3-5°C.. I dont know if its worth it. Stock paste is really good this time.

https://imgur.com/a/q5IUv6s

 

Im not 100% sure but i think it was 5ms.

 

Did you make a video at all for the noobs among us (me) haha

 

Hm okey thanks, I find it kinda wierd that it does'nt say anywhere

 

If they offered a 2K 120HZ 400 nit g-sync panel option, I don't think I'd be able to resist this laptop.

 

Heh okey, so ppl are saying 3 or 5 ms

 

Yeah that doesn't seem worth it. Not unless you were going for absolute best temps possible. Normal thermal paste it is!

Thanks for sharing.

 

Just follow this guy ->

But the only difficult part for me was the Wireless Network Card with the antennas... It took 1 hour, maybe i was a bit slow but everything worked...


Here are some photos... Made it for myself. ^^

https://imgur.com/a/I9OkQCj

 

I think 90c is one of those "magic numbers" that's nice to stay under. Considering LM kept you under 90 on all cores, that seems worth it just for nice peace of mind. Did it help with fan noise at all?

 

Fans are quiet with and without LM repaste. So it makes no difference if you are using Silent-Mode. Hm... A little bit maybe. In BF5 the fans kicked in a little bit later...