*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Very nice pics!!! Thanks for sharing.

Did you by any chance get a measurement on thermal pad thickness?

 

From several posts throughout the thread, I’ve gotten the idea that the drivers straight from Nvidia don’t work. I don’t have my 51m yet, so I cannot confirm. This would mean that we need to get our drivers straight from Dell's Drivers and Downloads page for our devices. Dell takes Nvidia drivers and certifies them for their devices, does that make sense?

Has anyone with the 51m had luck updating drivers straight from Nvidia?

 

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Yeah, except the complete lack of portability (can't even go to another room in the house) spoils it for me.

With a "1950s" 1080p screen? No 4K, no IPS, no OLED? Seriously?

You can elevate process priority to above normal and it makes a good difference on CB R15, and probably other tests too.

 

AKA "kettle lead"

 

Did you notice if there are chokes/resistors being cooled with thermal pads over them, as in the AW17R5?

That is excellent news.

 

I know how to edit INF files to make it work, but you didn’t answer my question though;

Has anyone been able to use drivers straight from nvidia?

 

Hey guys,

First of sorry if this has been mentioned prior. I have searched and can’t seem to find a post about it.

My question is: Is the Alienware 51M compatible with Intels 10th generation? I guess no one really truely knows but I think it’s bad if Dell are saying the CPU can be upgraded if it’s on a older chipset this is not correct? This is my first major device in years and would rather hold out for Intels 10 core CPU for workloads if it’s not going to be compatible with the current 51M chipset.

 

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Hi, your message after delivery, u implied yours got the best cooling solution, based on GPU, 2080 is top GPU & u have 9700k

Above left, 6.5pipes, right 7pipes (Alien Marketing = 7/8)

8pipes flipped over

If your pics are below, I'd say your 2080 didn't get the best solution & I'd wonder why that is, maybe we all should; it suggests the best solution is reserved for 9900k 2080 (see update below)

Heatsink Part#, white label, what is it? (if u get a chance)

Above, 7pipes when flipped over

Thoughts:
1) are your side vents like pic below

2) Can you run your SrvcTag & screen capture the part# for the 2080? Below, 2070 = PV1GD (currently unavailable from Dell, sales should begin soon); with these part#'s, later, we can inquire from Dell what these DGFF cards will cost new:

• Dell price on new 2070 allows owner to decide what selling price is best for their used 2070 (or out-of-warranty cost is)
• Dell price on new 2080 allows owner to decide if cost is worth upgrade (relative to funds post-sale of 2070)

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@ninja2000 is your 2070 / 9700k heatsink identical to the 2080 / 9700k heatsink from above? If so, why didn't a 2080 get the so-called 8pipe version, which is reserved for the highest-end configs: 9700k to me is high-end

Major Update to new post below: 9900k 2080 w/ out best heatsink?

@captn.ko do the guys in the forum u visit have this problem, that the 9900k 2080 config did not arrive w/ the best heatsink, the one seen at CES in my top photo? Are they aware this isn't the top cooling part? Is this a factory blunder or on purpose

No one knows yet if Intel will continue to support socket 1151, with a new 10th Gen 14nm++++++++, I think they will, I think AMD will play its part in Intel handing out three gens of support (8700k 9900k 10,900k), when two was the norm; but I wouldn't be surprised if they release a new "socket 1158 etc" on 14nm+++ (rumored 10-core), then give us a 10nm part as the "1158" upgrade path in 2020/2021 & be un-cool about it

 

9700K and 9900K is reated 95w chips. Same GPU with one of them means same heatsink. They aka Dell have to follow TDP specs!

 

Has anyone received a 51m with an i7-8700 + 2080 and if so what temps are you getting while gaming? I'm getting very close to making a decision to buy one and the only thing holding me back is concern over the thermals..

 

I'm wondering the same thing, it's considerably cheaper from XoticPC.

 

I am waiting on an answer on which screen it comes with and then I am pulling the trigger. Can get it with everything in my original post plus 2 year warranty and only 70 bucks to ship to me in Afghanistan.

Will do bank transfer which qualifies for their 3% off for paying with cash. Including shipping will only cost me $4190.48

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Does anyone with the small ssd 256gb did a clean install to a new one (got the 1tb Evo 970 plus waiting) and went all good? I asume the Evo would be faster than the ssd that comes with the cheaper hard drive offered.

Just curious about it in case when I receive it, can’t wait for it.

 

Bored and decided to even up my 9900k IHS while it waits for it's new home to arrive

 

Will this work also for the GTX 1080 in a GT73VR ?

 

What size thermal pads are present, 1.5 or 2mm thermal pads?? They seem nice and compressible and making good contact. Wish we could buy highly compressible Thermal pads from IT shops? I bought Gelid hopefully it's better more compressible than Arctic ones.

 

Here is a picture from the german aw-community... He has this config: (Core i9 9900K und RTX2080). Look at his Heatsink:

https://imgur.com/a/nNgU8Zy

So maybe one with a larger Heatsink will take a photo for us

EDIT: I did not look for the pads. Sorry. But i think its just 0,5 mm and 1 mm.

EDIT2: And Sorry, i wont disassemble this machine in the near future again. Its working perfect now, (never touch a run....) and there are many other users than get you this information about Tags, and Codes inside this machine.

 

Kettle lead is different bro.
It's different standard, Google it.

 

everything we know right now is, that even 9900K/2080 Configs are shipped with the smaller heatsink ( the one with the missing second shared heatpipe)

Why?
maybe it has turned out that the second shared heatpipe brings worse results so dell chnaged it? Or it depends on a different config option (more SSD? Would be silly, i know)?

Maybe someone can contact a Dell rep to find out what we have to order to get the biggest hs? If there is one...

 

Trying to get better discount from Dell, but the best they offer is 300-400$ off. How did you get yours 1000$+?

 

For simplicity I've called the extra-long extended pipe #7

It isn't shared, not in the same sense #4 is shared; #7 goes off on its own path & doesn't contact CPU hold-down, it looks like it's GPU-only, & folds into the fin-stack @ the fan

Since it's a 'GPU' pipe, it makes sense that 2080 should get it, when paired to 9700k & 9900k

I'm sure if I ordered 9700k / 9900k + 2080 I'd get on Twitter & elsewhere & find out about this mistake; otherwise, only THE TECH PRESS is getting hold of this top-end heatsink for glowing reviews while the public gets the cost-cut version (are they trying to charge people after-the-sale for the heatsink in the photo?) ... it's $5 worth of copper lol

edit to new reply: If it's a factory-error, it needs to be reported & resolved on their end, & affected buyers need to place a claim for the correct part; maybe a slight refund is in order to those affected

If some lackey at HQ said 'hey boss, I found a great way to sell our top customers two heatsinks!', that's it's own problem to consider

If the 8pipe was scrapped due to issues in testing or sourcing, members can grumble about that if they wish

If there's indeed an 8pipe version, & a rumored skt 1151 10core lands with RTX 3080, I'd want the 'best' cooling solution already in place waiting for them later, the one I paid for & didn't get, the one intended to make my 2080 chilly-ier inside my $4000 **** laptop right now

 

Come now, don’t forget that this lovely rod doubles as a bat to scare off burglars... ;-)

 

So far, it seems like everyone here are reporting good thermals and acoustics. If noone is getting the ”best” cooling solution, but everything still works good, is there really a problem so to speak?

 

Maybe the "bigger and better Heatsink" was just for testing or something like that. Or like captn.ko said, it wasnt that good as intended to be.

 

sure...because as an enthusiast we want the best we can get And Azor advertised the A51m with the bigger HS, so we cant expect to get it*, when we spend 4000+ on a f+++ing laptop

*asumed that the bigger HS is really better

 

Maybe they dropped it altogether. Hardware revisions happens all the time with electronics. We don’t really know as of now. We DO know that what we have is something that seem to work good.

 

We will probably know soon when US buyers get their units next days

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Do we know something about the real Powerlimits on CPU side? I know from @Prema that the RTX2080 has 190w PL. The CPU should have 136w PL... but in this pic we can see at least 138w. Can we adjust the Limits with TS or XTU?



and Azor said that the cpu is limited to 119w while the RTX is under load... in the pic its 126w while CPU and RTX are under load. At least the actual PL situation looks better than advertised... The last generations it was the other way round. i just want to know what power limit we can work with

 

Anyone know if in order to access the second m2 ssd, if the additional screw removal/disassembly is needed? I get really nervous tampering too deeply with screws and cables due to bad experiences, and would wanna order an a51m from Xotic with 1 nvme ssd in one slot, and fill up the 2nd m2 slot with a sata m2 i have.

 

Probably so. I don't know of any reason it would not.

 

Look a little closer.

#4 is a thinner heat pipe in the version everyone is getting. #7 that doesn't extend is much wider. I'd say that is the better version, where the one with the extended skinny #7 and shared wide $4 is a worse solution.

In other words, there is far less heat transfer between GPU and CPU in the version people a reportedly getting with i9/i7 and RTX 2080. Which I would want if I got one.

Either way, this system doesn't seem to have trouble cooling the GPU.

 

It appears no 7 provides extra cooling for the GPU (assuming the GPU is on the right) and it does not interfere (much) with the CPU because it is last in the CPU side pipes.

No 4 however shares loads the GPU with heat from the CPU and comes first on the GPU side fan, so that's another story.

 

Still noone knows what response time the 144hz screen have

 

So I complained to dell today about receiving a us keyboard on the uk model. They have offered me £100 as a goodwill gesture or that I can return the laptop. Just a heads up for other uk buyers who receive a us keyboard.

 

if you look here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzH7HbSiHTteSpyyDLmFNZGCcn60KGep4 you can see that most of the machines he benched, or makes video's for tuning it's based on laptops not desktops. Everybody is a big proponent of benching on desktops, but that's easy and not fun. Hooking up a waterchiller and making a loop can make a desktop silent already, but having desktop performance in a laptop form factor while staying cool is something that's on another level.

that's wrong. Having a fully LGA/MXM based machine makes it a desktop already apart from power requirements, attaching a big air cooler like for example a AC unit to your laptop brings the temp down considerably. After that it's the quality of the wafer, firmware settings and how good the machine has been tuned to surpass a desktop. Gaming on a desktop is overrated, cause i can get the same results on a laptop (with maybe 5 to 10 fps max difference) as long as the laptop won't throttle it's enough.

And stripping a laptop like how they would strip an desktop (no chassis only the required parts to turn on the PC to OC gpu or cpu) is also not uncommon:



Every year the desktop market shrinks, and the only group off people holding it toghether are gamers.

??? never said anything about johns 1080, apart from that if the desktop 1080 pulls 180 watts (that can reach 210 watts) and my laptop does the same, how will it outperform my machine ?(i mean by lengths not error margin points) The most important thing (if both parts can pull the same wattage) becomes firmware and temperature (gpu lag cancer 3.0). That's why i stated my 1080 has traded blows and outperformed some models of 1080's. It's the same 1080 you would stick in your desktop-pc except the die is intergraded in an bga motherboard (and that he firmware is being controlled by DELL, so no scross bios flashing can be done)

 

Yes his previous videos are on laptops, but if you read the Desktop Thread you'd know he recommends building a desktop if you want max performance. I agree that having a fast laptop is cool, but again I realize the limitations of a laptop vs desktop.

I realize that hardware wise it is similar but there are big differences in power deliver, cooling, firmware, etc. This is why it will never be as fast as a desktop. Not to mention the lack of horsepower like 18 core i9s... And I am aware that you can put a pot on a "laptop" but at that point it's no longer a laptop and it still doesn't have the power delivery of a desktop.

My point was simply that you can make a laptop fast, but if you want the fastest you have to have a desktop. Last I checked, Kingpin wasn't running laptops to sit on top of the leader boards.

We can talk about this in another thread if you would like. Trust me, I love laptops but know the limitations of them. I couldn't justify a gaming laptop for myself as I enjoy having a Desktop with some decent hardware at a much cheaper price.

 

Just checked my invoice and it says US keyboard as well...

Can't they just send out a tech and replace the keyboard?

 

Thankyou for your help. I'm struggling to understand what you meant by Dell giving us a 10nm part as the "1158" upgrade path in 2020/2021 & be un-cool about it? So, just need to know in simpler terms!

 

Did you order from the UK and is it Lunar White?

I'm sure I read somewhere on here that Lunar White only ships with a US keyboard, surely that can't be correcc?

 

Yeah Lunar White and UK,

I was just chatting to Dell, all they said to me was that was the only Keyboard for your order. No idea if it can be changed at a later stage or not.

Just checked on the site and your right if I select the White it switches to English Keyboard where the Black has English UK...Fun and Games..

 

You can swap the keyboard yourself at a later date, but the keyboard trays can be quite expensive though.

 

Just checked my order. Was scheduled to ship on the 17th yet still showing confirmed this morning. US based order. Supposed to arrive on the 20th so they still have time but I’m keeping an eye on it.

 

Yes, the white is only available in US layout in uk. If you need uk keyboard you have to buy the black Area 51m. They didn’t say if they would create a white UK keyboard later but I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

I don’t mind a US keyboard so the £100 is an unexpected bonus

 

Just got off the phone with Dell. My credit card was charged either Friday or Saturday for my order. It was suppose to ship on the 17th but was told by Dell that it is in transit from Asia to the US and with 2 day transit as the ship method I should have by Wednesday. I'll keep all posted.

 

Thanks for the update.

 

If anyone is interested the response time on both 144hz screens have 2 ms accoarding to Dell's salerep via chat

 

Sweet. So now we have 2, 3 and 5 ms from different sources.

So the perfect description would be "response time = between 2-5 ms". ;-)

 

But everyone recommends desktops, it's a clear fact that they run better than laptops thats what i admitted. But if you read my comments carefully, it's not about having the fastest, but being able to match desktop performance.

the lack of 18 core was Intel refusing to compete, not because it cannot be done. It can be done, nobody just won't do it. and for the lack of powerdelivery: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1111...su-for-highend-laptops-sff-and-industrial-pcs Eurocom already had the answer.
If you want to nitpick and really watch words you're argument won't fly here, as these are not laptops but desktop-replacements. So the emphesis is not on on it being a "Laptop" but a "Desktop-replacement" that can be hauled from one room to the other.

then you didn't read my comment correctly. I was stating that laptops CAN be as fast as desktops without having to compromise much, not that laptops are the fastest. On a desktop if you want to be the fastest, you'll stay stationairy. There is no small for factor (sff) PC that has been made for gaming or overclocking and will outperform a good running Clevo/Sager/Eurocom without tuning. again i'm not trying to argue with you who is the fastest. Cause that's hands-down a desktop pc. What i'm trying to argue is that we've come to an point that laptops CAN be as fast AS desktops IF they're tuned correctly.

But i understand your points and you're right.