*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Anyone know when the RTX 2060 is going to be released in the UK?

 

Nope, nobody from this household is interested in buying another Alienware. The only one left is an old M17xR2 that my youngest son has, and I don't think he even uses it any more because it's too old and slow to bother with at this point. One has never liked laptops and builds his own desktops like dad (so does his wife) and the other three boys men are console jockeys because it's cheaper and easier. None of them are overclocking nuts like their dad.

 

I hope your son and his wife continue your OC legacy with Liq N2 or He to smash all records in near future. Do they know you're Mr. Fox at HWBOT? Or are they unaware?

 

i think your best bet would be Azor, or techsupport. But both of those options are monkeys so if you want a real answer you'll have to wait for a couple of weeks so they can get confirmation from their "Engineers".

Would be glad to call out Azor. Last year with the R5 i tweeted him in rage mode (while still being nice to get my point across) and he said he would "look at it". up til now the R5 is still limited to 110W. payed 600+ euro's extra for a K processor that's locked. Thank you dell you won't steal my money no mo

 

Sounds like a household full with tweakers. They probably ericdated AW when dell took them over. Nice move, a company that sells fully locked down desktops can burn down to the ground, not even to begin about their current laptop line-up. Seems that Azor is kinda cozy stealing unknowing people out of their money, riding out their OLD STATUS that people recognize them from. Back in the day AW used to be a forefront runner in DTR's. Now they're rebranded Precision machines to cater the AW fans. Still curious about the 51m. Haven't seem alot of metrics to make up my mind. Still i won't buy it, not with my hard earned money.

 

Well he did improve his game by adding LGA CPU and RTX GPUs that is expensive and more GIMP or ThrottleShop added to it.

 

Did he add them, or did Dell just gave him a Precision machine and let his "engineers" "re-engineer" a new AW with a socket. It's very suspicious that Dell is also launching a socketed CPU and propriatary GPU.

But on the other hand, you're right. There have been indeed a change that the old AW tweakers asked for.

 

LONG LIVE M17x R2, the best built Alienware I have ever used. Yes it’s old, yes it’s slow, but it’s still usable in 2019 when equipped with the 8970M!

 

I had my 51m delivered to work so the reception could recieved it. When I brought it back to my desk, my manager asked if it was an area 51m. I was really surprised that he knew. I wonder if he's on this thread as well...

 

Hey! It's me! Your boss!

 

Just kidding, congrats on receiving your new computer!

 

I'm having freezes every now and then. I'm thinking it started when I switched from RAID to AHCI. Any thoughts on that?

It's very random. I disabled all undervolt to make sure that wasn't it.

 

Now that I know what forum you visit. I can give you assignments here too. BTW I will be checking all your posts to make sure none where during company time

 

I was successful in having Azor pull down the reference to 8pipes heatsink from the sales page, it no longer appears

Goodbye 8piper: we hardly knew ye

@Donald@HIDevolution > Sales & Marketing language in the 'CryoTech' section @ Aliens.com/51m has been revised in two sections; your Day1 sales page (mirror) no longer reflects these changes, see spoiler for your consideration

Spoiler

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After all these years of reading his posts here, @Rengsey R. H. Jr. has never failed to express an optimistic side to such things, which I find charming & always have, truly, as above; I saw him ask for & doggedly await the return of a socketed slotted Alien for years & I hope he someday gets one; however, I do not share his optimism we'll see anything in April except a +20w vBios for download, nothing more nothing less; an RTX 2080m Ti is the only thing that would move me to think they'll resurrect the CES BigDawg heatsink, while currently neither beasts exist

 

I pray to the Gods they don't screw us over with the 8 pipes in april. Voila now we have 8 pipes and new 1440p screens etc

 

It’s called “Damage control”. First edit videos as you can see here then continue with the sales page

 

Hi Tim,

Sorry for the delay, I see that the Laptop which we have ordered comes with 7 Heat Pipes along with the High end configuration. No configuration come with 8 Heat Pipes unfortunately.

[Mod edit: please avoid posting someone's e-mail address on the forums. See forum rules and it'll avoid the person who the e-mail belongs to getting spam.]

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/qGxGdTy?s=sms

Area 51m vs Gt75 8sg
-Screen picture quality and colors goes for gt75
-screen color bleed is like 35% in 51m but almost 0% in the gt75
-sound quality goes for gt75
-gaming performance higher in the gt75 as shown in pictures above
-the area 51m looks better and smaller
-usb connections 5x in gt75 but just 3x in area 51m ( transfer speed in the gt75 was soooo fast )
-ssd slots ( 5x in the gt75 ) my laptop now has 14TB of storage inside and 10TB outside
-Area 51m is better in separating the 2 power adapters ( you can only one or both to use the laptop ) and even with both, you don’t have the big connector in the back of the laptop like the gt75
-keyboard for sure goes for the gt75
-no dead pixels on both I have
-the gt75 has more noisy fans than the area51
-Ordered 2x intel 760p 2tb to use it in the 2 ssd slots that looks like only support intel.

 

I switched from RAID to AHCI when I replaced the M.2 with a Samsung 970 evo plus and added a Samsung 860 evo 2.5". I also installed the Samsung Nvme driver and have not experienced any random lockups. I'm also undervolted by -100mV

 

8 heat pipes probably debut when they updated 200W rtx 2080

 

And what will this cost Dell's bottom line? Tech support (outsourced or not) coming home to you + new parts ain't cheap an have a cost. If new customers will get it... What with all those who already have received their notebooks with same graphics?

 

https://www.dell.com/support/articl...s-the-division-2-terms-and-conditions?lang=en
"Alienware Area-51m with Tobii eye tracking: Free Tom Clancy's The Division 2 Terms and Conditions"
So how do I get the free game? I have the app and such, but have not received a message.

Also this keyboard sounds hilarious when typing, like a squeakiness. Did this go away for everyone else? The key travel itself and feel is quite good though.

 

so here is a non-answer about windows hello

 

Yes, they know. I never brag about anything, but I don't need to because they do that enough already. I guess that I am viewed by them as pretty cool for a 56 year old dude. At least that's what they say. I'm just doing the same thing I did when I was younger and they were still kids, LOL.

Being a tweaker can mean more than one thing... They don't take drugs and they are not overclockers. They are gamers and they view themselves as being "hardcore" gamers, LOL. They do game a LOT more than I do. But, they do appreciate nice PC hardware.

I'm happy to see Alienware using a socketed desktop CPU and a modular GPU. That is a gigantic step in the right direction. Looks like they are still up to no good with the cancer firmware, but they're not alone in their guilt. This retardness plagues all laptop vendors, and without a savior like @Prema to right the wrong, that is a pretty bleak and hopeless situation. There is no way I would buy one. I don't care for how they look and the desirable configuration is at least $1,500 overpriced. I really have no interest in laptops at this point. I'm fed up with the nonsense and now that I have gone back to desktops I don't think I could tolerate it any more. I am going to be on a business trip next week and it will be the first time I have powered on my laptop in more than a month. I need to check to make sure it actually still works before I head to the airport on Sunday.

Yeah, it was an awesome machine. But, nowhere nearly as good as the P870DM3/TM1/KM1. The P870DM3 was the best laptop I have ever owned... without a doubt. It was plastic, but it eclipsed any Alienware product I have owned in every other respect. Brother @cope123abc is in love with his. If I were going to buy another laptop, that is what it would be. I wouldn't consider anything else, and it would have to be equipped with @Prema firmware or I wouldn't want it. Firmware makes or breaks any computer. The best hardware in the world totally sucks with crappy firmware.

So, if they do that would it mean that what they sold to everyone before that was a guinea pig experiment? It doesn't need a better heat sink for the GPU. It needs it for the CPU. Releasing a better heat sink to account for a few more watts on the GPU would be kind of silly and a reflection of a technical disconnect in the intelligence of their product engineering team. Increasing the power limit on the GPU may not even provide a benefit. I keep seeing people acting giddy about the 200W chatter and it really doesn't make a lot of sense if one is familiar with how Turing GPUs behave. If it has the same thermal and voltage limits as all other other Turing GPUs, chances are pretty great that it already doesn't even fully utilize its current power limit and raising the limit to 200W may do absolutely nothing. Boost clock speeds start dropping at 50°C and keep dropping, and the voltage is severely limited. Kind of like setting your CPU power limits to 1,000W doesn't mean anything if you run it at stock clocks with an undervolt.

 

I see. Have you uninstalled anything or so? I tried to remove some junk, but nothing essential.

 

several times over the past decade i fall back to this amazing laptop after letting go of my newer laptops and waiting for new model to launch. even now, i'm still using this while waiting for Area-51m which i later found out will never come to Malaysia. Extremely disappointed at dell's decision to abandon Malaysia and Singapore market for what is arguably the best alienware they ever produced in a very long time.

contemplating to go back to gaming desktop and be done with it. what do you guys think?

 

I'm going that route, just waiting for icelake to come out to finally fix meltdown and spectre at the hardware level.

 

I am on chat right now with Dell, the guy is telling me installing my own SSD will void the warranty. That's simply not true right ?

 

definitely not......thats outrageous

 

I've told him it was entirely false, I sent him the youtube video of Frank Azor etc.
He has been quite sketchy from the start...

He ended up by changing it to "if the other parts got damage because of SSD then it will not be covered"

Well yeah of course, but that's something else entirely.

 

Per Tobii support for the free Division 2:
"You need to make sure you register an account at gaming.tobii.com
and once you've done so, make sure it tells you that your serial number has been linked, and you see it on the webpage
once you've done that you ought to get an e-mail within 48 hours... but if you don't get one after 48 hours from registration, raise a support ticket at https://help.tobii.com/ with your tracker's serial number and the link you just gave us, and you should get a response with the code in it for you"
I guess we shall see!

 

First time posting here, so sorry if the formatting is off.

Anyways, I'm curious on your guys' thoughts on the 2070 A51m for 144Hz 1080p gaming.

Mine is supposed to be delivered by the 14th, but I'm considering returning it when it gets here and purchasing the 2080. The reason for this, as it would be cheaper in the long run and I could pay about $300 more now for the 2080 rather than paying whatever Dell wants to charge for the 2080 DGFF when it becomes available.

I've also ordered the 9700k to go with it. Are there any solid benchmarks on the A51m 2070 vs 2080 @ 1080p gaming? Not sure if I'll see a large boost in fps from the 2080 @ 1080p..

 

After 1h30 and no purchase :

The chat representative was adamant that installing my own SSD would void the warranty even when all he could find the premium warranty documentation was "Premium Support does not include : - Support for 3rd party hardware"

He told me I could only buy SSD from Dell. Told me that the only 3rd party hardware allowed to be changed without voiding the warranty are : RAM, HDD and GPU

Yes the GPU.

Even when I said whatever the warranty will be void, I don't care, he still refused (or omitted) to take away the SSD every time he quoted me the prices...

I wanted to go through Dell for the international warranty (currently in Canada, going back in France in 2 years most likely) but I might look at hidevolution or xotic now...

 

Sounds like you got a turd. I would call back and speak with another rep. When I called and built mine he tried to get me to select the M.2 drive instead of the HDD, but I told him that I was just going to install my own when I got it and he said “good call”. lol

 

That’s the same day mines is supposed to ship lol.

 

Lol agree completely, I remember when I called dell, the dude knowing I’m student told me to better buy the spare parts like the ram and the ssd from amazon as “they are cheaper” (his words), and even suggested me if I wasn’t going to game that much I’m good to go with the 2070, I guess there are still some good people around.

 

Don't know about Xotic, but HID offers an international warranty.

 

Buying the best and most powerful GPU your wallet can afford is very smart and you should do that. It is cheaper than upgrading later and it will be part of your original warranty. There is no such thing as too much horsepower, but just about everyone has experienced what not enough feels like, and it's not much fun.

 

Question for those who just went with the standard HDD and got their laptop already. Are the screws to put in the M.2 drives already in there or do we need to buy those ourselves? And if so, anyone know what I need to buy? For those that bought the heatsink from Dell, did it come with the required screw? I was thinking of skipping the heatsink, but if it comes with the screw then I guess I’ll just grab it

 

Read from bottom to top (Heatsink situation)
If you guys have Heatsink related question, let me know i'll ask him.

 

For those reporting 95-100C temperature on their Area-51M
What kinds of temperature are you guys getting at stock speed during gaming?

I'm buying this laptop mainly for gaming and web browsing,work stuff ... etc etc .. i appreciate the fact that i can overclock a laptop to 5.3Ghz and score high in benchmarking but realisticly i'm more interested in overall real world use temperature.
Is this laptop something i can use between 4.5-5GHZ with my 9700k while gaming Apex,fortnite,BF5 under 80C? Cause i get a feeling from the report i've read that 95-100C are exclusively while pushing the CPU to it's limit while benchmarking or by overclocking to crazy number.

 

Ask him why they stated 8 pipes every single time when they know very well it was only 7 pipes from the beginning. Have never been 8 pipes design (the fake 8 pipes HS). Was it for bragging purposes for media? This is called false advertising.

Maybe ask him why they haven't edited specs in all languages. Or perhaps Dell will still offer the fake 8 pipes Heatsink for the other countries outside U.S?

Text in blue... De mest avanserte konfigurasjonene har i alt åtte kjølerør = The most advanced configurations have a total of eight cooling pipes.

For my German friends...

 

Too much horsepower ? Nah! Put it in my Subaru!

 

Is it my imagination, or did Dell "just" introduce a lower-spec'd version, but increase the price of upgrades to ridiculous proportions??

 

Depends on if the game is CPU intensive - seems to me that is a huge factor. I played a few hours of anthem straight with some undervolting and turbos turned down a little bit - never passed 85C and often in the low 70s. However, running stock it loses its mind over about a 5 FPS difference and I incur thermal throttling/power limit throttling, leading to huge losses.

I think day to day, running near full stock settings with a bit of an undervolt you'll be more than happy.

Anthem itself seems like a terrible benchmark though, since I'm almost sure it has some strange memory leak. Playing on the Lenovo Legion Y740 2080MQ, I never had more than 11GB of Ram usage. On the Area-51m 9700k/2080, I went from 8GB to 15GB of ram usage over a few hours (I have 32gb ram). It also seems just poorly optimized, but getting much better than the first week/pre-day one patch.

 

I contacted Dell about my order and they said it's in production and should be shipped out the 4th and delivered by the 5th. That does not seem likely lol. It is express shipping but damn 1 day?

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

 

The new RTX 2060? It's your imagination, I saw no price increase: what I did see occur is the veil's been lifted on true GPU prices previously hidden from us

Original starting base price was $2550 + RTX 2070, $3000 w/ 2080 (add +$450), it still is when u click options into the cart. Now that 2060 starts at $1950 we can see the true estimated costs of these three GPUs

My 60 70 80 cost estimate: 525 | 1125 | 1575

Note: 9900k 2080 buyers have ~$2375 invested (~800 + ~1575); deduct a Newegg $530 9900k & it appears 2375 - 530 = $1850 tied up into just the 2080 (+ sidevent HS)

In my book, $1850 is an $800 Desktop 2080, a $50 Heatsink & ... one thousand dollars floating in the wind ... straight into Azor's pocket

I agree the Sales Menu is of ridic, errr, epic proportions

Those are Day1 estimates that all buyers were subject to & still are, my reasoning is found here, open to comments: page 307

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Now that post-CES $$$ comes pouring in they say: Less is More

My autopsy on the 8pipe Rev3 vs the as-shipped 7pipe Rev4 (spoiler) shows they amputated the equivalent of one full 8mm pipe; I question how that translated into a 12watt improvement, as opposed to say a net-neutral condition (neither better nor worse) or simply a loss of 12watts performance as would be intuitive (remove full equivalent pipe, lose equivalent performance, toss 12watt loss under the bus since no one was gonna say anything ... til we did say something & so they spun it into a 12watt gain) ... oh well ... c'est la vie

Spoiler: Rev3 vs Rev4

Set your pipe inches to any number you like, such that extra-long 4 & 7/8 = p7 x 2
Ex.: I've set 5" & 10" pipes, you may use 4" 8", 6" 12" etc

Raw Inches: CES 31" - 7pipe 24.5" = 6.5" extra pipe

6mm vs 8mm Pipes:

P4: 33% wider (8:6 > 4:3 = 4 / 3 = 1.333)
P5: 15% longer
P6: 5% longer
P7 P8: 200% longer & 150% more copper vs 8mm 5" p7

P7 P8, the so-called '8th Fake Pipe', is the real pipe in question since it's missing

Arbitrarily Set p7 = 5" 8mm | P7 P8 = 10" 6mm

If P7 P8 were 4mm wide they'd be identical in mass to the half-as-long p7 8mm, but they're 6mm so they're superior to p7 in copper mass regardless it is wider because they're double-length & that matters (P7 P8 are also plumbed into both fin stacks & both fans = 'a paper advantage' over p7):

10 x 6 = 60 | 8 x 5 = 40 | 6/4 = 1.5x the copper

In your mind, 'cut' the 6mm 10" P7 P8 in half & fold it over on itself: now it is = to a pair of 6mm 5" pipes = 12mm of pipes = 1.5x the p7 (8mm x 1.5 = 12mm)

In your mind, 'melt' P7 P8 down & recast it into an 8mm pipe: how long will it be? --> 60 / 8 = 7.5"

Rather, it is 1.5x the length of the 5" p7 so it's 7.5" long (5 x 1.5 = 7.5)

An equivalent 7.5" 8mm pipe P7 is superior to a 5" 8mm pipe p7, all day every day

All said & done, if u truly math this out as I have (but did not include here), if we melt the CES Rev3 HS down & recast it into a new heatsink, you'd get everything the Rev4 has but there is still enough copper left for another full equivalent 8mm pipe

Remember Raw Inches = 6.5" extra? Yes, you could make an extra 5" 8mm pipe from it: Rev3 CES truly is a not-so-fake 8piper


Below, 'concurrency' is simultaneous CPU GPU max load (CPU throttles down to 119w limit by design), which is the where & when (above) we'd expect shared-P4 +33% & the clearly over-compensated GPU-side to bail us out & sink that heat

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Rev3 (both stacks & fans) = wider copper longer copper more copper = 12watt reduction in performance (?!)

Ever see the movie JFK? It goes like this: ' ... what else would you expect from a pig, except an oink ...'

 

They only give a list of Samsung PM/Toshiba/Hynix OEM SSDs and the same thing applies to RAM as well. So, you can do your upgrades w/o informing them and when its sent for repairs replace your own with Dell OEM parts so as not to void warranty. Problem solved!
I usually look at Intel NUC kits compatibility list for detailed info.

 

Jup that's how i did it when sending mine back to the depot. Never heard anything, and always got my laptop back in a worse condition i sent it to them.

 

@Rocktaze

Tell Umar Khan that if the top model 9900k/2080 had issues cooling with there designs that they should have with held releasing the laptops with that configuration. If you don't overclock the cpu and you have to under volt the cpu to just to maintain below 85c. We dislike being lied to false advertisements is crap. The sheer fact is not everyone is going to get a magic bined cpu that runs better then others. The adverage person that spent 4-6k on this laptop should have zero issues. Let this not be the case. The rev1 of the design is simple thermodynamics. More copper more cooling assuming the fans can maintain the airflow.
Taking the fake 8th pipe away did not help load sharing. Not under heat soaked situations. Look at the way the airflows on the G751JY & G703 Asus ROG series. It works and it makes sense couldn't be better yes.
The tech exists.
We could fit a multi state vapor chamber in the A51m. Specially for the premium price we paid.

More over this is becoming more and more unacceptable.

Lawsuit for falsely advertising the products. I bet it will burn your legs if you have shorts on with it on your lap because they get as hot as the old flammable AMD HP dv9000 series.

Venting complete.