*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

There are drivers but there is no nvidia control panel and when i open intel HD graphic control panel says no display is connected to this graphics

 

So we do get the game? Niceee.

 

This is what I did too. I'm not overly fond of having Win10 dictate this for me, but it works, and that's ok.

 

FYI: My local microcenter had a few of these in stock today if you are getting impatient.

 

My Area-51M arrived at home today. Won't be home until tomorrow. Must resist opening until I have studied for my Monday midterm

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Guys I have $174 credit in Dell Rewards. What should I get?

I've been looking at the 27" 1080p 144hz dell display or 32" 1080p 60hz dell panel. They're like $17 and $26 after credit. Can't think of anything else atm.

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Here's some more details from Umar

 

Was that in this thread? Do you have a link? What people and what results?

 

LOL!! Good luck studying this weekend. That box will be calling your name every 10 minutes!

In regards to the memory, see if you can find out if they plan to add support for XMP? Perhaps people can set the profile to get 2666MHz / 3000MHz.

 

That's the same limit that I have on my MSI GT75 Titan laptop, trying to do anything like custom profiles to run at 2600 MHz will just result in a data corruption and random freezes. It ain't happening with 64+ GB. Period.

 

I don't know how 8700K are performing in a AW, but in a Clevo they are kicking ass. I still got a 9700K thou, and I love it like a family member (yes, I have had a drink or two, but I still love it as it performs like a madman!) ;-)

 

The Alienware Graphics Amplifier is on sale with coupons for roughly $158.. I’m considering getting that and another graphics card... not sure which one.. to kinda give the cpu more thermal headroom.. should help the longevity a lot.

 

Also if you plan on diving into your 51M please post vids bro.

 

I was gonna ask that next but I'll wait until tomorrow's reply first. If we can at least get XMP support that should allow us to run faster than 2400mhz.

Although for me...I ordered 8GB 2400Mhz default and will be sticking in my G.SKILL 32GB 2133Mhz so let's see how that turns out LOL

Very interesting, but for us that have 32GB or less (2 DIMMs) I would suspect we should be able to run 2666mhz+

Sorry, should have mentioned I already have an AMP from my AW 13 R3. It's been sitting in the closet.

Oh don't worry I plan to post A LOT. Just give me some time. After Monday things should be coming out from me.

 

The OP was that the i7-8700K was being installed in the Area 51m and people were reporting "great results". I'd like to know what that means. To me, it seems odd to buy the latest and greatest, but then want to put in a CPU from late 2017.

I'm hoping the cooling of the Area 51m would be able to handle the i9-9900K at stock under a decent load, but posts here are suggesting the heatpipes are having a hard time under sustained load.

 

Yes, if the RAM supports that speed.

What's puzzling to me is that my RAM is rated @ 2666 MHz. provided I stick with 32GB. If I go to 64GB it drops down to 2400 MHz

That is some wicked voodoo magic

 

@EepoSaurus installed 8700K and OC'd to 5ghz

Interesting...sounds like the Area-51M is locked to 2400 no matter what. I'd hope they unlock 2 DIMMs to be higher

At least yours clocks up.

 

Interesting, but I'm sure very frustrating. The Intel HD graphics control is correct as the laptop display panel is gsync so not connected through the Intel hardware like optimus graphic systems. If you connect a display via the thunderbolt/usb-c then it will connect to the intel graphics. For the NVidia issue I'd probably try cleaning out the drivers with Display Driver Uninstaller ( https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html) to make sure everything is cleaned out correctly then reinstall the Dell version of the NVidia drivers and see if that restores the NVidia control panel. Thats usually my go to plan when display drivers decide to not play nice.

 

Wait wuh. I have 2x16gb (32gb total) of 2666 Corsair Vengeance. Can't get it running past 2400.

 

It does help quite a bit for sure. I have been using one for two years now with my AW 13 R3. Works great and saves both my CPU (under 70C at max load) as well as the PCH (under 65C) temps. But it kinda defeats the purpose with the Area 51M. Better find a way to fix the cooling in your machine or push Dell to pull their hands out of their behinds and prove their worth. Any thermal engineer will tell you, it's not hard to fix the heatsink. Much harder to justify the extra 50gr added weight apparently.

 

oh I was talking about MSI.

Is that a BIOS issue on your Alienware or what?

 

Both MSI and Alienware's have had problems with faster ram. Would be nice if the Area-51m owners could disable the Dell OC app, even ACC if it's possible in Autoruns.exe and then test out what options can be used/tweaked in pure XTU software. Because the bios is almost almost empty for options in the advanced menu.

For the records. The paths in notebooks MB doesn't always play nice with faster ram. Some notebooks is worse than others. A good Cpu memory controller and better ram won't help on this. And a badly written firmware does't make it any better.

 

I agree 100%
I’m paying roughly $4700 for my build + - amount for the carrying bag.. I think I’ll get one.. I got the 2080 card for the 51M... tbh I can’t see myself pushing out another $1000+ for the ti version.. so I’m wondering, for strictly gaming, which graphics card do you think would go perfect with this amp?

 

Yeah, for whatever reason the Area-51m is locked at 2400 Everyone keeps hoping for a bios update to address that. The 2080 is getting a vbios update to increase to 200w, so hopefully we see that kind of support.

 

Msi RTX 2080ti Lightning

 

How come your tobii is giving light balls ? mines just dark lol

 

Yikes... You should have ordered it from Dell. Just ordered 2 and they were $4.99 each. Also, you'll have to order the heatsink screws (M2x3) from 3rd party, as Dell is out of stock somehow...

 

Look at your Tobii through a smartphone camera and you will see the light balls too. The light is picked up by a digital camera but not the human eye.

 

Try this:
Video: How to Find a Missing NVIDIA Control Panel and Restore the Context Menu or Tray Icon

 

You know.....There is no way you can get 11k in Timespy with a core of +160 and memory at +95 right?
Your cpu was not running 5.3 ghz on all 8 cores and 16 threads either. There is just to much power draw for that. And your cpu scores are too low for that to be possible.
And you did not get 2280 from Cinebench R15 either, it draws more than A51M is allowed to pull. And that is hard coded in to the machine. Something you can not change.
Not one screenshot for any of these scores, but yet you have screenshots of all your lower scores?

Only speaking on benchmarks only.
I'm just saying is all...

@iunlock That's because Asus put out a factory 200W vBios and A51M came with 190W factory. Not really sure how much 10 watts is going to help though. I was pushing for 250W, but you know how that is....

 

I don't think this will help so much. If Dell follow same paths for Alienware Area-51m as what they now changed for their new Alienware m15 and m17 you will have to expect average Cpu temperatures under heavy load at less than or equal to 100℃.

New times. The new specifications are: For Coffee lake in the Alienwares!

As we know... There are several ways to cut costs.

 

I have to try and track the information down again, but Intel did state to raise the tjmax form 98/100C to 113C for 9900K....

 

Yeah, I know at least for MB manufacturers. However... Intel's specs sheet say 100C. From what I know Dell still offer 8th gen Cpu as options for Area-51m. Maybe they will differentiate it in specs sheet and or in firmware. I don't know.

 

True. spec sheet says 100C, but that's not where they stated it at.
Gigabyte said to raise theirs to 110C (DT)
https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/multimedia/2/file/525/946.pdf

 

Yes I have seen this one. Have it in my bookmarks. But not so sure that Dell's engineers are so up to date, sir. And from what I have seen, the processors in Area-51m throttle down speed when below 100C. Maybe not so low as their BGA models, but they don't run full speed at 100C. Maybe we will se an updated firmware who will raise throttle temperatures. I don't know.

As you could see it seems Dells engineers follow what Intel put as TJUNCTION Junction Temperature for the BGA Coffee lake models. And they follow it as the Devil and put same temp target as average temp under heavy load. This doesn't look so good. They did it for the BGA models. I expect the same for the new upgradeable models. Reason for this... I'm sure you know.

 

I found this - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-283#post-10870620

Not a glowing review on performance, but appears temps are under control. Hopefully the added memory helps.

In the meantime, I look forward to your reports once you've finished up exams next week.

 

All I can speak on that as a fact is the benchmark I ran while at CES and it throttled down to 4.5/4.6. And it throttled on winsat. Did not have time to fully investigate it all, but at some point I will.

This pretty much goes without saying.

 

Anything starting with 1060 and above does well in most games from my experience. I have a gimped 3GB version of the 1060 and it performs ok. Obviously won't run every game on max settings but still pretty adequate in my opinion. Will probably replace it with a 2070 at some point, or just wait till Ngreedia starts offering performance instead of gimmick features lol.

 

How old is that link? NVIDIA Control Panel is now a UWP compatible Windows Store App that is supposed to automatically DL thru the windows store when you update your drivers dependent upon OEM and driver number..

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4733/~/nvidia-control-panel-windows-store-app
Link from NVIDIA explaining how it is supposed to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/unblock-nvidia-control-panel-store-app-in-windows-10/
This link has a DL for it and steps to take to get it to work on any OEM and NVIDIA driver.

ETA: There must be some serious problems with the app. I went to the download for the Control Panel on the MS store and is shows this:

"NVIDIA Control Panel is currently not available."

Really the only system requirement that is shown is that your machine must be on Windows 10 version 17134.0 or higher

 

Battlefield V with 8700k stock with -160mv offset and 2070 Ultra settings and dx12 enabled

 

It would be interesting to see the max sustained CPU power draw in combined loads, when mounted on an AC unit!



In the latest chinese video ^^^, the CPU starts with a power draw of +180w, which is normal, since at first is limited by PL2 which is much higher than PL1. It reaches the throttling temps (97-100C) and while it maintains the same temps and a relatively constant level of thermal throttling, the power draw gradually decreases. When it opens the hwinfo sensors tab (at 8:14), we can see that the PL1 value was at max 150w, but the the current value is significantly lower (135w) and the minimum was 127w After the power draw stabilizes at ~130w, the thermal throttling decreases. The power limit seems to be adjusted only in combined CPU+GPU loads, which is normal behavior for some (BGA) notebooks (but most of them don't have that gradual transition to the combined load power limit, it usually kicks in fast, regardless of the temperatures).

 

Try @j95 mod NVIDIA_CONTROL_PANEL_UWP_8.1.949.0_X64.EXE (COPY TO DESKTOP AND RUN AS ADMIN)
See also http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-206#post-10866710

 

No one has gotten the standard drivers to install with inf mod?

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Syste...GPUs-and-8th-Gen-Intel-Core-CPU.410989.0.html

Lookes like there is a new player in the laptop space. This one comes with RTX 2060 (no max-Q) RTX 2070 (no max-Q) RTX 2080 (no max-Q). Cpu's are the same as last year (8750H) but it's ram runs @3000 Mhz accroding to the spec sheet. IF this would be true, this just proves DELL is holding back performance on the A-51m platform (like they do on their desktop) .

How come 8th gen can run 3000 but an AW that's twice as expensive is limited to 3000 ? Maybe Azor should have a talk with his "monkeys" (ahem excuse me ""engineers"")

Lost all my interest at this point. Thing us just another castrated AW.

 

You do realize that their systems are built for linux? Yes, I know that you can load Windows on it, but where on the website does it state that the RAM will run at 3000MHz with Windows installed?

 

9700k 2080 32gb 144hz gsync

 

You do know it has nothing to do with operating system, but all with the firmware. If your UEFI/BIOS does not have for example the settings to play with RAM speeds, it will be locked and the operating system would not be able to make changes. Even now there are almost no consumer programs where you can edit your UEFI/BIOS settings while in windows. if windows supports 3000Mhz, and if the ram is being pushed to 3000Mhz, if the speed is not locked there is no operating system that could hold back your RAM speed. althoug windows works different than Linux, You can create from your windows 10 image an ramdisk and execute windows from the ram (while loading it in the ram while booting). This would make your os faster, and would push the RAM certainly to it's limits.

XMP and overclocking are all done from the UEFI/BIOS and is also more stable. all way before the SSD or HDD drive has been polled the BIOS/UEFI has started from a volatile memory somewhere on your mobo (or just a simple bios chip) there lives your UEFI which is essentially a small operating system on it's own.

 

Well you are missing 360 vertical lines, or about 25% screen space at the bottom! Also missing 640 columns, that's 25% screen space on the side. Area wise you are missing 43.75% !!!

And you say "I don't miss anything there" ???

 

Yeah, I screwed that up!! Just got back from the gym and went partial retard.

 

I have the standard driver installed. All i did was uninstall everything nvidia except for geforce experience and control panel. Then I rebooted and disabled the video card. I went into geforce experience and installed the new driver and that was it. It is working well.

 

I downloaded the latest Nvidia driver of there website for laptops. Checked the inf file and looked up the gpu and the only RTX 2080 they have listed is the max q’s. I tried modding it with the area 51m GPUs details but it still won’t install.

I installed the latest driver with the GeForce Experience but I have experienced slighr stutters during games where the frames just drop massively then bounce back.

 

Good one. I cheaped out at 16gb ram, but that's just because it's so easy to upgrade anyway if I need it.

That's just marking words. Of course there's a difference between 1440p and 1080p, but that was not what I meant. Gaming at 1080p works just fine on a 17-inch screen so I don't miss the extra lines. And as a bonus the high framerates are easier to maintain @ 1080p.