*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R2 Owner's Lounge

Can't you just put clock speed in bios and tune voltage, cashe ratio and put power/Amp limits in TS?

Edit.
AWCC can only allows up to -100mv. With TS there is no limits.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r2-owners-lounge.832848/page-71#post-11032724

 

I have a 4K external monitor, and integer scaling looked like garbage on the desktop. Sticking with the default aspect ratio was an improvement.

 

That seems rather inconvenient considering XTU literally does just that as well as most of what Throttlestop does without having to restart and enter the BIOS everytime I want to make a change.

Isn't the whole point of avoiding XTU to avoid whatever changes it makes to a BIOS?

 

If you put high enough Core ratio in bios then you should still be able to make other profiles with lower clock speed in TS. The last two hidden cores in TS FIVR window wont surpass aka being higher than 8, 7, 6 cores etc.

 

Saw someone with an Aorus 17X post a 30.6K Firestrike GPU score.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23326542

Has the 51M R2 reached this high yet?

 

Didn't know where to post this so:

LatencyMon v7.00 = https://www.resplendence.com/download/LatencyMon.exe



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Anyone who's gotten their hands on the UHD model willing to try integer scaling with games and share their experiences?

 

If there is a point run Latency Moon then you should run it longer than 38 sek.

From the old lady from 2015

 

I know but I have not the time to wait

 

I don't remember trying internal monitor with an amp on Area-51m R1. I can test it later, but there will probably be a performance hit. As far as I know, I thought the internal monitor will only run with the RTX 2080 GPU.

 

Clock Speeds/Temps while running a virus scan utilizing all cores @ 5.1 GHz with no undervolt:

 

If you don't wait longer you won't have an accurate understanding. Sometimes it looks good for a minute or so, then has a terrible spike, and what seemed good turns out to be something less than good.

 

oh ok. how long shall I run it for?

 

30 min

 

Hmm, I would say let it run for at least 2 or 3 minutes. Maybe if you feel pressed for time, then do it when you take your next bio-break to drain your radiator. By the time you return (2 or 3 minutes if you don't stop to sit down) it should give you a more accurate idea of the DPC latency.

That would be the other kind of bio-break, where you do stop to sit down... dropping the kids off at the pool, LOL. And, it would definitely reveal if there are any DPC spikes.

 

I'd say that based on the CPU load of a 9%, your antivirus is using 4 cores at max and/or is bottlenecked by the SSD read speed of multiple small files. This is also confirmed by the current power consumption of only 61.8 W. What I'm trying to say is that in fact all cores are running at 5.1 GHz but not all cores are working just cores #4 and #8 seems to be working at the screenshot moment, which reduces the heat

 

Oh the above image was just to show the new UI. In my review thread there is a longer test:

 

I did a 15 min test last year.

 

Throttlestop is working fine for me with my 10900KF. I don't need to change the core ratio on the two cores that are not visible on the FIVR window because I set them in the BIOS.

 

now that the heatwave in france is gone (ambient temp is now 22 degrees) I can finally share the accurate thermals after upgrading to a delid cpu, changing the thermal pads and repaste with phobya nanogrease.
I ran cinebenchr20 with an undervolt of 100 mv and got the following results

 

Exactly. No reason to use the bloated and unreliable XTU.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2-owners-lounge.832848/page-141#post-11041611

 

Hi @kylera, i'll test when back from work later.

 

That's really impressive. What temperatures were you getting before all the modifications?

 

I was getting 100 degrees throttling even though I was undervolting exactly the same ... I made a tutorial with the right thermal pads to use and that really made a difference

I would say the delid made me gained 10-12 degrees and the pads another 10 degrees

 

I’m looking up laptop cooling stands to add to the liquid metal and delidding I’ve requested (as well as the upcoming undervolting), and there’s a lot of conflicting information.

Would merely elevating the rear really do the trick? Like with a couple of rubber door stops?

 

NOTEPAL U3 PLUS

that's the best one. Personally I don't use any cooling pad or elevation. The laptop sits flat on the desk and is perfectly fine.

 

Do you have the link to your tutorial?? A lot of hardware engineers say that a CPU can run properly 24/7 at 100ºC, which is probably the truth but then the thermal throttling become a factor. Thermal throttling won't allow your CPU to stay constant at high clocks. Dell's hardware engineer says that a system running @100ºC is good design lol, .... I get what he is saying though

 

So you’re saying that a flat, hard surface doesn’t impede cooling whatsoever?

 

Not really. I hate that elevation that these cooling pads do. Not comfortable (at least to me) when you use the laptop for a prolonged period and they cooling pads may or not offer reduced temps by up to 3-4 max

 

Inside Intel's Secret Overclocking Lab: The Tools and Team Pushing CPUs to New Limits

As Ragland explained, the amount of time a processor stays in elevated temperature and voltage states has the biggest impact on lifespan. You can control the temperature of your chip with better cooling, which then increases lifespan (assuming the voltage is kept constant).

They are almost free. After the weekend you'll have a free cooling pad if you want/need it.

 

Do the palm rest temperatures stay comfortable under load? I noticed the 51m R1 does pretty good in reviews although with the vapor chamber I would hope the R2 could do a little better.

By chance do you know if the CPU TDP throttles if you only have the 330W AC Adapter plugged in?

 

Elevating an extra 1/2" or so does help with the cooling.

As i use my laptop from the sofa i just use one of these and it's fine however i guess one with fans wouldn't hurt?

 

Here is the picture

For the heatsink behind the GPU you will need 1,5 twice for the MOSFETs and 1mm for the vrm

I used fujipoly extreme 17 mkw

 

How come your Turbo Boost Power Max limits are so high, what do they do?

 

Remove all possible power related limits. Aka let the chips run wild. The only limits should be thermal threshold. Aka Tjunction Max = Shutdown.

 

^^^ this ^^^
No reason to control power limits. It is a waste of time. Just max them out and then use your energy to focus on what matters. There is no benefit to having a power limit unless the power source is inadequate and cannot supply enough due to poor engineering.

Control voltage and temps and the CPU will only consume what power it needs to function properly. It will ignore the excess if you make more available to it than what it needs. Think of the power limits as a 1,000-gallon water tank and the CPU as your 12-ounce glass. The water tank is how much you have available. The glass cannot hold more than 12 ounces. If your water tank runs low and only has 10 ounces of water left, your glass will not be filled. Don't waste time and energy trying to match the capacity of the water tank to the glass. You'll accomplish nothing other than wasting time and energy.

 

The palm rest is cool to the touch. I haven't tried a single 330W yet

 

Hi @kylera,

I've checked both HZD and AC:O gameplay and benchmarks across both my UHD laptop monitor and an external FHD moitor (Dell P2419H) using multiple settings, (e.g. Integer Scaling, Desktop resolution FHD/UHD, HDR On/Off via OS and/or Game- which btw i didnt realise until recently my UHD 51M monitor supported -bonus!).

Overall i noticed no noticeable difference in the scaling methods, though positively at least i didn't find the games at FHD overly soft either on either monitor. This may be explained by my NCP automatically enabling sharpening whenever i played a game at FHD (and still running). I was unable to prevent this or turn it off after to then make a comparison. Bizarrely positive i guess. Of note as expected i noticed the reduction in aliasing from FHD to 4K (accompanied by the reduced FPS ofc).

I'm sorry this didn't provide a definitive answer, however i cant recommend the system enough. As for specifically the 4K monitor, i prefer it only as i play games usually at 30-60 FPS @4K anyway and use it for content design, so the brighter 500 nit display and 1500:1 contrast ratio are welcome. However as everyone would testify a FHD 144/300Hz screen with much lower response time is preferable generally for smooth gaming, i suppose it depends on visual fidelity (static at least depending on your definition) vs smoothness. Just an opinion regardless (I know how controversial this subject is lol).

 

I failed!

It was normal afer 6 minutes but failed after that.

 

Does this allow the GPU to use more power as well?

 

No

 

Maybe try out other Nvidia drivers. Not the first time Dellbooks fail in the Latency tests. Dell's XPS models is widely known for this.

 

I will try to fix that now....another problem.

Thanks for the suggestion

 

Here is something to shoot for...
https://hwbot.org/submission/4533016_mr._fox_cinebench___r20_core_i9_10900kf_7178_marks/

 

Also post the download link in the Area-51M thread and ask others with same hardware to test. LatencyMon v7.00

 

I eventually pulled the trigger on the FHD300Hz in the end. I'm coming from having used high PPI for the past 10+ years now, so while I'm a tad concerned, I also realize that most reading and browsing I do is on an iPad these days, so I have a feeling the FHD display outside of gaming won't be too big an issue.

I'm not a major stickler for fast frame rates, but the question I asked myself was, "How often do I want to reduce graphic quality in game settings when I'm using a $5k machine?"

 

Having to compromise on anything would be unacceptable. For that kind of money it needs to be as close to flawless as humanly possible. It won't be, but it certainly should be.

 

@Papusan @Normimb @Mr. Fox

Windows 10 Build 20H2

Drivers: All latest official drivers from Dell including nVIDIA and Realtek Audio Drivers

Running apps:
VIPRE Antivirus Plus
Google Chrome with 3 tabs (went up to 6 tabs during the test)
Firefox Portable
Skype
Everything (Search)
PhaseExpress (Text Auto replacement program)
SVP (Smooth Video Project to play videos @ screen's refresh rate)
Cyberlink YouCam 9
Internet Download Manager
hide.me VPN
Tobii

 

Windows 10 Build 20H2? "Official Dell Drivers" -?-

 

You probably guessed the reason....some store app compatibility issues with stuff only compatible with the latest builds post 1809