*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R2 Owner's Lounge

Using AWCC. No undervolting. I did however increase the frequency to 5.2Ghz and since that is tied with the voltage, the voltage stands at 1.33 v. The voltage offset is 0mV.

 

Dang. Finally a fix also for the Area-51M owners. Maybe nag Dell for access to memory tuning and this will be damn good I'm quite sure the Razerbook owners will be very jealous.

 

It's my understanding that the AWCC Frequency slider controls the turbo max speed of the CPU. What I am wondering if it is the max speed for all cores or max speed for 2 core (That's the speed you see advertised: for the 10700k, it's 5.1 GHz while for the 10900k, it's 5.3 GHz. That is not, however, the speed you will get on all core being used. For that, you need to Google it and you will find that for the 10700K, it's 4.7 GHz while for the 10900k, it's 4.8 GHz (It can be 4.9 GHz if your CPU runs under 70 C). That's the max speed your cores are actually designed to run on, without any overclocking. Overclocking would be running all cores at 5.2 GHz instead of 4.8 GHz.

I know it appears confusing why the "Max 2 Cores Turbo" and "All Core Turbo" are different. But, as with most everything in marketing, bigger GHz numbers are what sell CPUs.

Do you have MSI Afterburner, AIDA, HWinfo or any other CPU clock monitors while gaming? Check the speed of all your core speeds while if they stay all stay around 4.8 GHz while being used, it means the slider speed controls the "all core speed" not only the advertised Max 2 Cores speed. That means you are overclocking and you need to increase the voltage to make them stable. You can try to lower eh slider to a lower number, say 5.1 GHz and see if you crash again.

 

Yeah! finally a good version of AWCC . It 's like Alienware tech support told me today: «Sir only use AWCC to undervolt, if you keep using ThrottleStop we will void your warranty». (seriously, she was serious.....i pretended to be stupid after).

 

Ummm... I don't see any new versions of AWCC. Can you provide a link?

 

I used to have an undervolt. However I always got a BSOD. System has been stable since I got rid of my undervolt.

 

I can offer a solution to this mystery: your undervolt was too large. Have you had a chance to read an undervolting guide?

 

Hello @Bolev,
It is a joke. I(we are sarcastic about it) t's ANOTHER bug of Alienware command center (latest vervion). If you look a the ram speed, it is reading 6 times too fast.

 

Oh I didn't get that my awcc shows correct speed of the RAM, but The FAN speed (if I set it manually) doesn't work. Everytime goes to 80% although the settings I set are 40%. I tried to reinstall it with the help of spartan's video, but again it doesn't apply correctly

 

I believe i have the same issue with fan. I gave up trying long time ago. I firmly believe now that if we only encounter only 5 or 6 bugs with AWCC it means that it is working as intended.

It is time to reinstall only when laptop is
1: overheathing (more then it usually does)
2: It is not opening
3: The slider for overclock temperature is: «locked»
4: The audio software is not loading.

All the other bugs = Works as intended

 

Does anyone know if intel 11th CPUs will be compatible with the 10th generation socket ?

 

11th gen will be compatible with the Z490 motherboard and LGA 1200 mount. As to whether the BIOS will support it, who knows.

 

Even a 50mV undervolt does it. I have hunch that its not really the undervolt causing the issue. Its AWCC thats being used for it. Do people here use throttlestop more often? I wish I could just overvolt using BIOS itself.

 

I wonder why most of the Youtubers covering Notebooks news-reviews never made a video of this... Dell hate Upgradability/False Upgrade Promises... https://www.mahanyertl.com/2020/dell-alienware-area-51-class-action-investigation/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-2207#post-11022451

Edit. Forgot tell that I enjoy your Youtube channel Continue as you do.

 

The YouTube reviewers who get access are "special" and they, therefore, have to be careful. Honesty is always the best policy unless you serve a master of puppets. Dell is such a taskmaster. If you want free stuff, you have to play by the rules of the giver of free stuff. You say what they want you to say, and you say nothing that makes them look bad. Even when it is accurate.

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At a risk of a slight OT, I wish we could sue Dell for no longer delivering products that meet our requirements and expectations. This has resulted in distress and loss of productivity. Even more than that, people are being offered inadequate replacement laptops under warranty, due to the newer models on offer being crippled by slow soldered RAM. If such a litigation could work anywhere in world, it would be in the US

BTW I can't believe even NBC made no mention of the soldered RAM fiasco in their m15 R3 review. The suspense in reading their AW notebook reviews is whether the score will be 85, 86 or 87. Bro @Mr. Fox could be onto something here.

 

Well, does any UV work at all? Is -25mV stable? Is - 0mV truly stable. You may have lost the silicon lottery. I don't use AWCC for UV. You could just reset the settings in AWCC and try TS, but my hunch is that it's something else. How certain are you that the BSODs are due to UV? What are the specific error codes?

 

I also get a lot of bluescreens when undervolted but the weird thing is it's never when gaming. I can game for 8-10 hours straight with no blue screen. Browsing the web with Chrome is what seems to do it.

 

same here, I can run all stability tests and pass, launch a few tabs in chrome and boom, random BSOD

 

Sounds like either your CPUs don't undervolt very well (if it's common with these across different systems), or there is an underyling issue on the software or motherboard side. I haven't had a single BSOD at -160mV in several months (with a mobile CPU, obviously).

 

What other manufacturer gives you a new laptop under warranty? Good luck dealing with Razer, Asus or Lenovo getting a replacement computer. In most cases good luck getting Razer to even acknowledge you to send it in. Then good luck getting it back let alone working. Asus don’t even get me started..

 

I'm not sue these replacement laptops are factory new. There've been reports of poorly refurbished units being provided.

If your point is that there is still some way before Dell hits rock bottom, already littered with other brands, I accept it with deep sadness.

 

Must be the same idiot that told the Reddit guy that he voided his warranty by repasting. Flat out your warranty is now invalid, you have to pay for support.

 

If you let the CPU multiplier go up and down according to load, it is most likely that the added offset undervolt is too much when core ratio drop (the undervolt follow the whole voltage curve). See... The voltage will be too low for the lower speed bins.

As an example from Spartans review... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r2-owners-lounge.832848/page-68#post-11032475


And even with High Performance power plan I have seen a few cores will drop to 799MHz in the Area-51M. A combination of unfinished and buggy firmware combined with undervolt above what the chips can handle with dropping clock ratio.

 

Almost all repairs made are with refurbished parts and replacement are generally new especially for higher end machines unless they have a stockpile of refurbed machines. This has been their practice for the 24 years I’ve been a reseller and user of their products.
As bad as they may seem their support is generally above any other OEM. Sad as it may be it’s the truth.
Many of us are bot happy with the direction they have taken recently especially with Alienware division. I’ll out my money on owning one still versus any other brand knowing I will at least get another machine if I get a unrepairable lemon. There are way more horror stories dealing with Razer, Asus and others. It may seem less but I’m the ratio of u happy users for non AW/Dell users seems high but they sell way way more machines than their competitors..

 

What exactly are you happy with regarding the direction taken by Alienware recently? OK, the vapour chamber adopted after Razer is cool, what else? Fewer memory slots, slow memory, locked out memory, soldered memory, poor thermal compounds, abandonware AGA, the cutting of community support role, a ghost VP replacing Azor. What is so exciting exactly?

What's your source of your global sales info on, let's say gaming laptops across the top brands? I am assuming you have one, given the definiteness of your statements.

 

Depends where you are in the world. Most brands models can be replaced with either money or replacement with same or better specs if they fails repairing after the second or third time. Here home... Same for all elctronics up until 5 years old. Last time for me was a tv. Got a brand new one two months before it passed the 5 years obligatory warranty expiration. I added a few bucks and replaced it with a bigger sized tv with better specs than the old

The good thing with Dell's premium warranty... If they have the parts they will offer repair within a short periode of time. And they'll pick the parts they have access to at that time window the support ticket (repair) is approved. Refurbished or New will be used.

Msi and Asus market share for gaming notebooks is well in front of Dell Alienware. More models and total higher sales of gamingbooks.

Edit.
Many places in the world, you will only find big brands models in the stores as Msi, Lenovo, Asus etc. You'll need check out Dell's own webStore if you want a Dell Alienware. Many prefer instead the short way... The stores in the cities and can grab the Jokebook on the way out of the Store. And many of those don't even know what they bought

 

Hi so I just updated to v1.4.0 bios. Now the pc ignores throttlestop and dont boost over 4.7 no matter what I do. Before the update it was working flawles with 4.8 all cores and -100v undervolt with throttlestop (10900k). Also if I try to use the speed slider in command center to clock or downclock it fails the test. I cant even make a new profile. The two default OC profiles seem to work in command center. Whats going on?

 

Small update to the post over. Intel extreme tuning seems to work. I can undervolt and set core to the speeds I want. So perhaps it is a issue with ThrottleStop?

Also no matter what clock speed I sett it to it show 4.788 in rivatuner etc. Always ends with 88 not 00. Is that normal or is it some sort of throttling.

 

I suspect that's what I'm seeing.


The biggest question is if it's a intel firmware, windows or Alienware BIOS thing?

 

My best guess a Dell thing. Have seen the same thing is up for the later models. Dell is a master in fiddle with firmware and useless software.

They often go the extra mile...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1232#post-11054610

And they are in full work with next level of nasty Cpu behaviour.... Today's new word (reused) will be Dynamic Power Policy

Dynamic Power Policy difference
Intel's brand new Core i7-1165G7 processor can behave very differently depending on how OEMs decide to implement it onto their laptops. Our Dell and Asus examples show the pros and cons of two different methods we see on almost all laptops.

 

I have experienced the 800Mhz drop since yesterday (I decided to try undrevolting using AWCC.....just for fun)
For me it comes from AWCC (AGAIN!). I then went with ThrottleStop and.....all good. Constant 47X, no drop, no 8x, no 45x etc....only 47X).

@Papusan I suspect @Spartan@HIDevolution drops where caused by AWCC (that is the software he uses to undervolt)

 

Yeah, ThrottleStop is a fantastic piece of software. All creds for this goes to our friend @unclewebb A Gods lifesaviour for many Jokebook owners. But it won't fully cure the .799MHz cancer drop for everyone. It will still show up randomly from what I have seen etc for the Dellbooks. Either it must be due the disgusting proprietary software that communicate with firmware on level only God can, or the bios itself.

You can also see here, not all brands models play well with Microsofts buggy OS or patches. Much of similar power related problems is indroduced by the different ODM/OEMs itself and not only from Microsoft.

 

Im not happy with the direction they have gone.. However it is pretty much the direction they all have gone aside from soldered ram. Unless you get a Clevo based or Area51 they are all BGA Turdbooks as the coined phrase from our beloved Mr. Fox has echoed through our halls. There is not 1 OEM that does a good thermal paste job. Any enthusiast and high end gaming laptop will need attention out of the box. Hell I have had to repaste 2 laptops form HIDevolution in the past because they did a crappy job before sending it to me.

 

With extremely rare exceptions, the only way to avoid disappointment is to view buying a new laptop as your next geek project. With rare exceptions, anything you buy (consumer or gamer/performance-focused) it is going to run way too hot and perform poorly. Plan to spend the better part of a day fixing thermal problems, debloating the OS and what-not. If it comes with some sort of control center app that has to be installed to achieve basic functionality, you can and should count on that piece of crap causing some grief in one way or another... if not on day one, soon after, or when the next Windoze Store cancer app puke-in-place update is applied. zTecpc is on a mission to change this nasty paradigm, but we have to all remember that we are dealing with compromised products that are engineered by people that don't care and assembled by people that care even less. I am talking about all brands. Laptops have become extremely popular, (for reasons that are sometimes difficult to understand,) but they haven't become excellent products. I can't name one brand that delivers a respectable OOBE the way the product rolls off the assembly line.

 

Interestingly for me when using throttlestop the CPU becomes locked to x37 multiplier and turbo never engages no matter what i do. Even trying to force the multiplier doesn't work. I have to reboot to fix it but then obviously if i open throttle stop again it reverts back to the base clock of 3.7Ghz.

My AWCC has started wanting reboots to apply undervolts though so i think both might be related to my windows 10 build of 20241.

 

It is because you have a 10-core CPU and ThrottleStop only supports up to 8 properly. I am having good luck using it with 10900K at long as I don't try messing with the multipliers much. It displays the wrong values for the multipliers. It seems to work fantastic on 10700K (8-core).

 

Apparently, Asus uses LM in some laptops, e.g. Zephyrus. As if ashamed by this bold move, they immediately crippled the laptop in question I looked at by soldering one RAM module down. It's true what they say: you can't fix stupid!

 

I never tried 0mV. But I could definitely tell that AWCC was the issue. The undervolt would be stable for hours of stress test. Temps were great too and the clock speeds were very stable. Then came BSODs. I flashed the most stable images I had for my laptop that were taken a few weeks before my trial and error and they would get BSODs after OC. I wish the option was available through BIOS itself.

Odd my most amount of BSODs came after enabling OC in AWCC and opening 3DMark, there was like a 50/50 chance that I would get BSOD. 3DMark opens perfectly fine without any undervolt. Also this is just opening 3DMark and not running an actual benchmark.

Edit: I will try TS soon. I have a good image to flash if anything goes wrong (software wise). I am assuming if I use TS, I can only set my RAM CLs using AWCC and not BIOS anymore. Can someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

Just a guess on my part, but I suspect the laptop was probably already crippled--that being the plan all along--and the liquid metal was a desperate move to try to get the thermals under control enough to have a sellable product.

 

I seem to have fixed my locked multiplier issue with throttlestop and maybe i'm just being a bit dense but after setting the voltage offset and clicking apply voltages immediately then clicking apply. The info on the right panel doesn't seem to indicate the undervolt is active?

Running a stress test on cinebench i hit 100'c so i'd say it hasn't taken effect. Anyone see anything obvious i might be doing wrong?

 

So after some testing I have found out that after installing windows ver 20H2 AWCC breaks. I have reset my pc 3 times now and AWCC works flawlessly ,but once I update windows It breaks and I can’t use fusion to OC. The strange thing is that when AWCC breaks after windows update, Throttlestop seems to not work properly also. Anyone other have issues after installing windows ver 20H2?
Thanks

 

What does it show up when you run ThrottleStop first time (after deleating TS INI file) when you run either XTU or ACC OC tool with your prefered undervolt?

 

Nothing. The values remain the same. I've rolled back to BIOS 1.3.0 as well and it made no difference. I guess my next step would be to roll back to an older windows build but that can wait for another day. Need my machine for work tonight.

Installing XTU broke AWCC overclocking controls. Had to remove XTU and reinstall the AWCC oc driver.

 

Oh Well. Proprietary apps or whatever great ideas instead for let you use 3rd party software is a awfult decision/solution. Almost on level with what Dell did for many of their models. Take everything from you and not a word on why. Maybe see if you get some better luck with Coderbags Quick CPU tool. But don't hold your breath. Dell may have closed all the.....

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Greetings, today I just received my replacement equipment for the Coil whine sound, the truth is that when using the graphic with low load, it has the same sound and perhaps it is heard a little louder than the first equipment ... how so How frequent is this sound? the configuration you have is the I910900k and the rtx 2080 super

 

Coil whine is really common on high power parts like the graphics card in the A51m. You'll be lucky to get one without it.

 

Just bought an Alienware 25 AW2521HF monitor and is pretty good so far. I have noticed 2 things however:

-When creating FX profiles in AWCC, the last color profile is always loaded even when returning to default
-Seems you always need to have AWCC open to have profiles take effect when opening games; AWCC can be opened/closed for profiles to take effect when monitor is not connected.

Anyone else possibly experiencing these issues?

 

I returned that very monitor because:
* 1ms/max overdrive is a lie, it's unusable
* The darkness enhancement modes all create ugly black edge artefacts
* The stand is idiotic - takes up a lot of desk space and the monitor is shifted forward towards my face

The best thing about it is the profile auto-switching using the Dell display manager.

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