*OFFICIAL* Alienware X Series Owners Lounge and Discussion

Or CPU-Z

 

From what I found through my long search is that it isn’t value ram because I didn’t see value ram clocked to 3466. I don’t know for sure, could be wrong but everything pointed to Hyper X between CL16-19. Hard to say for sure since Kingston doesn’t even show anything about it on their site. Their just isn’t any other SODIMMS clocked at 3466 yet and no reviews or anything. But until we actually see those numbers properly displayed were all just speculating.

 

One last thing. Don’t count your chickens about it being overclocked from the factory and sold that way because Dell is already dealing with plenty of other legal issues such as the underclocked RTX 3700’s which they hopped on a BIOS update pretty quick to resolve. Their are plenty of PC products that are sold as overclocked but I’ve never seen it not specified that way on the product info. Lot’s of video cards are factory overlcocked for example. But things like CPU’s and RAM are an entirely different animal. Those silicone wafers can be finicky if constantly overclocked. Blue screens or black screens come Win 11. Even my last expensive CPU, 6950X which I bought from Silicon lottery I paid $1700 for because it was cherry picked and tested. But large numbers of overlocked value ram sold as overclocked memory and not specified in the fine print doesn’t add up. Value Ram is just that. Value, which means not the best of the bunch so overclcock potential isn’t very high.

 

Obviously, you won't be able to use any Asus memory tweaking tools.

We have been near the bottom for a while now: AW have been supplying memory matching Kingston Value RAM CL for a while, including with flagships such as Area51M. Now, according to the data provided by @captn.ko they reached a new low by likely taking 3200 CL22 Kingston RAM, overclocking it to 3466 for marketing purposes (at the cost of 2 extra CL), and selling it as "SuperSpeed" RAM, even though it suffers from atrocious 99ns latency. Just when many may have thought they've seen it all If that's not false advertising, along the lines of "the world's most upgradeable laptop", and "limitlessly thin", I am not sure what is. Bear in mind there is no 3466 memory on the market from the usual memory manufacturers.

Sure, a screenshot from CPU-Z would be good, maybe @captn.ko will find a moment to post it, although we have no reason to believe he is making things up, and I bet CL 24 would roughly match the latency if we did the math.

Abandon the HyperX dreams: there is no 3466 HyperX laptop memory, and HyperX modules sport black PCB. If you want to get the most out of the laptop, you have to upgrade to HyperX or better (if anything better works) yourself, and we can safely assume 3200 HyperX would outperform this 3466 "SuperSpeed" RAM.

 

One last thing. These SODIMMS are the same ones they’re advertising for their new Precision 7560 line. Workstations laptops that are designed to run fast and stable for number crunching. Selling overclocked value ram for gamers is one thing but for their business line is a horse of a different color. In fact most businesses frown on overclocked hardware in their systems which is why they’re so customizable on the order. If you look at the Precision sales page you see the word stability repeated several times. Just food for thought.

 

I don't see any 3466 memory options for the flagship Precision 7760: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...0-laptop/s010p776017us_vp?view=configurations

Even if what you said was true, that memory is very slow, I would not worry about its stability. With Precisions they prioritise stability rather than performance, any many Precision laptops use different (even slower, but more stable) ECC modules.

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...precision-17-7760-laptop/xctop776017dswsus_vp

 

Like I said, doesn't matter. Just means they are happy to use the same trick on the Precision line.

 

Well if your right then my magic 8 ball predicts future legal action on the Horizon. Not from me or most users but from some jackolantern in the bay area who has pockets of cash to throw around. Just think about how inexpensive SODIMMS are compared to the cost of litigation. Hence my jackolantern remark. Then again their’s always the class action option.

 

I’m half tempted to throw that sodimm in my latitude for the sole purpose of running HWINFO.

 

If you don't trust our German connection, then by all means: you should see all the XMP profiles even if they are not supported. Or just return outright and get some proper RAM.

 

Ok.. I got it all

 

Here is the truth

 

Now that wasn’t so hard now was it? Took me all of 5 minutes to get the details.

 

LOL… I’m actually a big supporter of German engineering. Former Mercedes 2017 E class owner. Then their’s my Bosch dishwasher and several Bosch tools. And for PC stuff their’s none finer then Aquacompter watercooling and monitoring equipment.

 

7760 meanwhile, it is sold at a 45% discount )
a huge list of options, 6 processors to choose from. 4 RAM slots from 8 to 128 GB.
9 display options. 4 slots for the m.2 drive. The ability to opt out of pre-installed Windows)
5 video cards flesh up to A5000 16GB - analog RTX 3080 16 GB )
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...017us_vp?view=configurations&configurationid= 08efead8-7379-4249-94c7-50375c499942

 

Wouldn’t it be nice if Dell allowed that level of customization for more of their PC’s and laptops. Especially for the expensive models like the $3000 Alienware’s. You’d think with the 4 week window from order to delivery that wouldn’t be an issue.

 

That's a weak class action lawsuit. Many class actions have been threatened and tried over bigger things than that and disappear into the black hole (area 51m for one).

 

Interesting, so the plot thickens. This is what I took away:
* The RAM only supports up to 3200 without overclocking via XMP (as I suspected)
* CL 22 @ 3200 without XMP (same as Kingston Value RAM) - for comparison HyperX Impact runs at CL20 @ 3200
* Supports CL 22 @ 3466 via XMP, but also supports slower CL 24

OK, so we know what the module is capable of. Now, the truth is that the RAM could in theory run at CL 22 but the relevant question is what CL it runs at inside the x17, since Dell can easily set a higher CL (for stability's sake for instance).. Before you say "they wouldn't do that", a reminder they recently went so far as to cut the number of CUDA cores in the m15 R5.
The only way to find out is to see what timings this RAM actually achieves inside the x17. Preliminary evidence: CL24, unfortunately that would indicate they might slow down third party RAM too.

 

Maybe they validate the ram timings with own home-brewed software

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r5-owners-lounge.835745/page-43#post-11105866


http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r5-owners-lounge.835745/page-44#post-11106013


Btw. 100C also with the X15. The nice with unified heatsink.... The Cpu can use the Gpu side as heat-buffer in Cpu only tasks. The GPU follow the Cpu as hand in gloves in the Physics tests

 

Brave of you to assume they even validate the ram timings XD

 

I popped it into my latitude 7480 to get the details. It supports XMP and is not exactly a recent gen laptop. I have little doubt that you’ll see CL 22 at 3466 in the X17. Funny how configurable my much less expensive latitude is compared to the X15 and M4 series. At least my latitude has 2 memory slots and a fairly tweakable BIOS compared to a lot of other laptops.

 

Isn't the 3466 ram sticks you bought, from Dell? Aka same sticks as in the post above? Shouldn't you get same timings?

 

Where does it say he was running 3466 in that post? And I don’t put much stock in vague posts. Blank box for memory info. Dell is the only vender selling 3466 sodimm’s that I could find. And you can run AIDA64 5 times and get 5 different results depending on background programs and CPU utilization. I’ve been all over the spectrum during benchmarking depending on multiple different factors.

 

I’m sure bro @captn.ko know what ram speed he benhed with And I mean have seen other with x17 running 3466 with CL24. As you yourself said. Dell is the only one with OEM 3466 sticks.

 

Taken from the X17 user guide. And I don’t know this guy but no worries.

 

So I’m gonna try a little experiment. I just ordered a couple sticks of the 32gb hyperx from these guys and I’ll see for myself if it was worth the $460 it just cost me.

 

It says right there, bro P. quoted that for you: "The 3466 Ram is not the fastest one.... CL24"

Bear in mind that these are 32GB modules. Is "SuperSpeed" RAM even offered in 32GB capacity?
All I can see is 16GB for $160, so 32GB would cost $320 - pretty expensive given that 64GB of HyperX costs $420.

 

Keep in mind that newegg is charging about $200 more for the exact same sticks I just bought. And they were not easy to find. Backordered most places. And it goes without saying that latency is everything when it comes to speed. The DDR4-2400 I have in my latitude is CL14

 

I'm not surprised - best laptop memory on the market (taking compatibility into account) and the 32Gb modules are quite new. Up until recently the only 32GB SODIMMs available were from Samsung, about as fast as Kingston Value RAM.

The biggest risk is that the limitlessly thin laptop will nerf HyperX.

 

yes they are from Dell. With XMP on i get 3466 CL24.

i hope so XD

Sorry, due to my ignore list i cant see / answer his posts. I dont care if he trust me or not

 

So that explains the difference in CL. Look at the manufacturer on CPU-Z. So the stuff they are selling is different then the stock brand. And here’s my screen shot just to confirm. That is very useful information and a good reason not to order with 3466 . Better to order 3200 and do what I did and buy the 3466 sticks separately. Would be useful if Dell added that bit of detail during the ordering process because this is gonna irritate anyone who payed extra for the 3466 memory upfront. I wonder if it’s related to inventory and possible that Dell didn’t have the Kingston memory available when he ordered his X17. But then again putting the faster memory in the purchase order cuts into profits. And now I am reminded why I stopped buying prebuilt PC’s in the 90’s. Kinda hard to avoid with most laptop vendors though. They let you choose your components during the order but not the brand. And anyone who knows a thing about PC hardware knows not all brands of the same thing are equal.

 

DDR4-3466 RAM are 3200 @CL22 Stock, Supports XMP-3466 @CL22 but Dell crippled to XMP-3466 @CL24. IMHO would better buy the cheapest RAM config from Dell then swap to a DDR4-3200 @CL18/20, lets wait @JinTexas tell us if that works.

Newer TS results seems not bad tho, who are still getting less than 10K CPU, go to NVIDIA Control Panel and select dGPU in PhysX, it also improves GPU scores a bit. But not having mux or dGPU directly connected to display, killed the chance of beating GE76 Raider, and will have to settle for the Silver Medal (Excluding X170KM-G). You can bypass iGPU using a external monitor, but we are not rating the laptop itself anymore with that.

edit: Alienware told me 360Hz models will have Advanced Optimus and G-SYNC, so they still can steal the BGA Crown.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21394438 - SCORE 13057 (Graphics 13241 / CPU 12108)
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21393136 - SCORE 13045 (Graphics 13243 / CPU 12029)
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21395194 - SCORE 13027 (Graphics 13281 / CPU 11755)
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21394304 - SCORE 12948 (Graphics 13084 / CPU 12228)
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21392649 - SCORE 12942 (Graphics 13248 / CPU 11449)

Cinebench R20 -50mv @4.6GHz all cores ~108W CPU Power Draw



Cinebench R23 -50mv @4.6GHz all cores ~111W CPU Power Draw

 

Seems you don't know how Dell operate. The buy in bulk from a few partners and mix and match what they throw in their pc's in the factory/parts they sell in their Store. Not much different than the ssd lottery when you order your pc.

 

The 2 sticks of 32gb HyperX I ordered from GoVets like 8 hours ago have already processed and about to be shipped from the email I just got. Damn that was fast. Wish Dell worked that fast. See gentlemen. We Vets and the organizations who support us are fast and efficient. If you can, please also support the Wounded Warriors. I myself and a Wounded Warrior alumni and 100% disabled from combat in Iraq. I know, shameful plug but Buying from places like Go Vets which not only had this hard to find memory but also $200 cheaper then Newegg is a good deal for you that also contributes to folks like myself. Nearly 1/3 of my company that I fought with during the 15 months of Hell in the Baghdad surge with the 82nd Airborne Division were wounded while fighting, including 3 of my brothers who made the ultimate sacrifice. 38 wounded and 3 fatalities. Twelve of my brothers were double Purple Heart recipients. I was the Senior Medic for my Company of 116 Paratroopers.

https://www.govets.com/index.php/kingston-technology-312-3905981.html

 

I don’t think this is a Dell only issue.

 

Someone who received their order please check to see how fast your SSD is. I wonder if Dell is using PCIe 4.0 SSD’s in the slot that supports it. I remember reading a review about a new XPS with 11th gen CPU, and in the review Dell did not ship with the faster SSD which supported it. The reviewer made it a point to say he swapped out the SSD with a Samsung 980 pro. And another reason why I ordered my X17 the smallest SSD allowed thinking Dell might do the same with the X series.

 

Some Clevo resellers allow you to pick the exact components including RAM and SSD. HIDevolution is one I believe.

 

And that’s the appeal of buying through 3rd party but on the downside you miss out on all the coupon codes and rebates that Dell has. Like the same system at Best Buy or Amazon for example is stupidly more expensive then buying direct. Sure, some offer similar rebates, but are generally less frequent and a lot of times aren’t instant. So you have to consider that and adding to that the retailers who offer expanded order flexibility are less likely to discount. So whether you upgrade after a discounted Dell direct purchase or buying a customized system by 3rd party your gonna pay either way.

 

Sure, AW can lure you in with promotional pricing, which may seem attractive on base configs, but you get what you pay for: slow RAM lottery, SSD lottery etc. Generally, there is a need for additional spend on aftermarket upgrades that wouldn't apply if you could just choose the desired components.

 

4.5ghz with UV. Still room for improvement. But its to warm

 

I'm curious if anyone has done any thermal comparisons yet from replacing the stock gallium-silicon thermal paste with liquid metal? Alienware claims the new paste is good, but I'm hesitant to believe them. If no one has done it by now that's fine as I plan to do it when my unit arrives. I just don't want to double up on someone else's effort if it's not worth the trouble.

 

Knew it hahahah.... Awesome result

 

Temps? Nice and round 100C presumably?
Would be interesting to see how the result and temps compare to other 11980HK laptops.

 

Surely 100 degrees, if not I would have increased the clockspeed

Note: this is still stock paste with summer ambient temps (26°C). With that background this is actually not bad in my opinion. I expected much worse

 

Ah, I wasn't sure what you meant by "there is room for improvement" . Yeah just curious how other laptops with this CPU fare in comparison.

 

Comparing these 11980HK results with a Desktop 11900K.
- 11980HK matches performances at same clock speed (Basically same microarchitecture with few tweaks for 14nm+++ port)
- Has more performance by far at same Power
- Seems to consume ~35% less for same performance
- 14nm in 2021 is bizarre, lucky 11900K can stretch his legs to 230W+, so you can have more 15% performance with 100% more power consumption.

 

I have repasted my X17 with Liquid Metal on CPU and GPU because the new magic thermal paste was applied very badly. Now my temps are just great. Of course it depends on the game but I have not seen any CPU temperatures above 80C with Performance Mode (FN+F1). The temperatures are most of the time 68-73C GPU and 69-79C CPU.

Please do also note that raising the back of the laptop helps to improve temperatures furthermore.

Curently I'm waiting for my new RAM 32GB 3200Mhz, [email protected]. I guess this will boost CPU performance greatly when using the internal display.