*OFFICIAL* Alienware X Series Owners Lounge and Discussion

What is this "element 31" anyway? Sounds like it's not LM after all?
What exact RAM are you getting?

 

Already ordered my crippledware with 3070 and 360hz advanced optimus screen and 32Gb 3200, let’s see what CL.
More than one month of wait…

 

When I saw element31 it looked like standard thermal paste mixed with some liquid metal particles. I was not very impressed especially how it was applied on my CPU. Only the middle part of DIE had proper contact to the HS.

I ordered G.Skill RipJaws 2x16GB DDR4 with CL18, 3200Mhz and CL18

F4-3200C18D-32GRS-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd. (gskill.com)

 

Good luck. IIRC the same RAM was unstable in A51M, will be interesting to see if something changed.

 

Maybe tomorrow I know more about it. Keep fingers crossed because I can't return the memory

 

What brand memory did you get? Nevermind…I saw

 

I already have the 2 16 gig sticks of the Dell memory I bought Kingston 3466 CL 22 and I ordered 2 32 gig sticks of HyperX 3200 CL 20. I’ll do some testing to see if thar 2 CL difference offsets the 266mhz difference when I receive my X17 later next week.

 

I have tested with Crucial CL22 3200Mhz, got 10.000 CPU points in TS. Before 8600. So there ist a huge difference

 

Crucial CL 22 versus what? Also, could you make some test in games? Thank you .

 

Original XMP RAM

 

You mean you expected above 100C ?

The budget Ryzen Edition also run at 100C

Alienware m15 R5 Review - Not All Ryzen Gaming Laptops Are Good

Next one that replace the Gallium/silicon pad paste from Dell, please take some screenshoots.

With the i9-11980Hk?

 

Was that original ram 3200 or 3466? Already established that the stock 3466 is A-data CL24

 

So Dell reduced the ram performance, resulting in a reduced cpu performance. And then that's paired up with a weakened 3070/3080 compared to other vendors?

 

Not the 3080 in the X17 because I started looking into other vendors like Asus and MSI and their newest gaming 17” laptops with a 3080 GPU has lower Dynamic boost for example. 165 watts for the X17 compared to the Asus Zephrus S17 at 140 watts for example. Also the 3080 X17 comes with a 330 watt power adapter which is more then most others. The MSI Creator 17 with a 3080 GPU is even lower. 95 watts for dynamic boost and a 230 watt power adapter. So far the RAM looks like the biggest deficit which is why I ordered mine with the lowest possible amount so I could upgrade once received. Same for the SSD. So far the best advantage I could find over the X17 was that the Asus S17 has 3 PCIe 4.0 slots. Now 3 PCI 4.0 slots set it apart from most others except for AMD systems that often have dual PCIe 4.0 but lack other features. The Asus S17 also has only 1 memory slot. So it’s a balancing act between features. No system seems to have it all.

https://windowstip.com/compare/asus-rog-zephyrus-s17-gx703-vs-asus-rog-zephyrus-s15-gx502l/

The MSI GE76 Raider 11th gen comes closest to what I’ve seen with their max 155 watt dynamic boost but their power supply is only 280 watts.

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GE76-Raider-11UX/Specification

 

I think he is referring to the earlier user report which claimed that Dell set the TGP at 120W+45W Boost to allow a wider range of throttling.

 

Looks quite similar to the usual toothpaste TBH.

 

Sloppy work is an under statement. I haven’t seen crap like that since adding water blocks to my Titan Xp’s. Nvidia did the same thing and that’s why I got into water cooling. Couldn’t stand the sound of throttling fans.

 

The only good thing is that the CPU was already prepared for a LM application because of the CPU barrier

 

To get up to 165W from other manufacturers, you are looking at Lenovo 7, MSI GT76 maybe or the DTR: Clevo X170 with 4 SSD slots, and 4 RAM slots, desktop CPU and modular graphics:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...-powerhouse-with-lush-equipment.534103.0.html

BTW The DTR can run a 200W GPU, so at 165W GPU temps are in the healthy 55-60C range:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/my3l0e/rtx_3080_mobile_165w200w/

This means the laptop should be very reliable and be able to handle heavy loads for extended periods of time. You also get 13000 TimeSpy out of the box with no sweat broken.

 

Thank you for your reply pitha, really appreciate it. Those temps sound pretty great at this point and more than reasonable when running games.

If it's not too much of a bother what do the temps look like when running Cinbench R20? I am guessing it no longer throttles, but I thought it would be worth getting a verification since Gizmosliptech's benchmarks showed it throttling and it might be great to have a somewhat standardized benchmark to compare temps.

 

I fix it for you
https://www.msi.com/index.php/blog/...76-raider-and-release-the-extreme-performance

Same here. It seems you skipped this post...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-and-discussion.835993/page-79#post-11105815

"So its basically a 115w/120w version with higher optional boost... sneaky..."

FYI. Not all OEMs let you utilize maximum power from the PSU. Dell etc advocate for use of battery-boost even if the power brick should be strong enough. 280w psu can be enough if the OEMs have battery-boost as fancy feature in the firmware. And many does.

And as a small notice... Dell Alienware learned from MSI


Btw. New review of the X15

You can add in the Tongfang with their wimpy small 15,6 inch gamingbook and MSI GE76 as well. Yep, Tonfang could cram 165W 3080 in their 15 inch Jokebook.

Edit. Add in the Tonfang 17,3 inch as well

@pitha1337 + reps for the pictures.

I wonder how long the Gallium will stay away from sucking into the copper when Dell skipped the nickel plating on the vapor chamber.

 

Hi, I made three runs in a row. Stock profile (No overclock) and -65mV undervolt. AWCC Settings is set to "Performance" (FN+F1)

 

And this one is with OC1 in AWCC. Only did one run.

 

Good joob @ pitha1337!

That flipped Mobo will prevent me to try to repaste, anyway I'll wait until I receive my unit and see how are the temps. i711800H sholdn't be as hot as the i9... At least I hope so xD.

 

It seems with liquid metal the cooling on the Alienware X17 R1 is now comparable to the Zephyrus S17, so that's pretty nice.

(1) ASUS ROG Zephyrus S17 GX703HS 17 gaming laptop i9 11900H benchmark cinebench r23 - YouTube

It's going to be a tough choice now on whether I am keeping the Zephyrus S17 or Alienware X17 when they arrive. Both models have the 4k panel.

 

I am also adding this timestamped video of Gizmosliptech's Cinebench r23 with similar power draws and undervolt (70mV) as a point of comparison to @pitha1337 results.

EDIT: It doesn't seem to let me link the video at the specific time stamp. The Cinebench R23 benchmarks with thermals starts at 1:46:30.



At max power draw ~99W we see the X17 with stock thermal paste thermal throttle at 100C and struggles to sustain 90W power at 100C. So the liquid metal repaste gives quite an improvement to thermals.

Conclusion: The new paste Alienware developed still sucks majorly compared to liquid metal.

 

This was exactly why I have repasted. I'm not very happy with 100°C temps Now my temps are very good and in games of course much lower

Please do also note that in Germany it is currently very hot. So ambient room temperatures is between 26-28C

 

Each comment you add makes the results all that more impressive. In a ~20C room we would be looking at max temps roughly around 79-81C, assuming a 1C increase in ambient temps corresponds to a 1C increase in CPU package temps.

 

Just curious but when you did these benchmarks were you running it with the Crucial CL22 ram or the stock XMP(I am guessing the upgraded 3446) ram? Also is the ram you used for benching single rank or dual rank?

 

The above scores are with ADATA original XMP RAM

 

How is the fan noise when it kicks up? Are they whiny? I don't mind loud, but I mind whiny

The x15 review just posted by MashIT seems to indicate those are not whiny, but I thought I saw elsewhere that the x17 was... but now I'm wondering if I'm mixing up other laptops. My main goals are - Not whiny, great screen & keyboard... I can give on performance and portability. I tried the 51m but it had coil whine and I had to take it back, and potentially a little too much sacrifice on the portability side there lol.

 

The x17 has whiny fans when on idle or with light desktop work. It will generate to a "whoosh" when the two other fans kick in. Under load the fans are very good and no whiny noeses anymore. Even the full performance fan profile is not very load compared to other high end gaming notebooks.

 

Here is a screenshot of Battlefront 2 with a Cooling Pad an Performance Mode. Temperatures and GPU wattages are very good.

This is in 4K and everything maxed.

 

Does someone know what is the max. height for the ssd heatsink?

 

Thanks for the response - that is somewhat contradictory to other laptops I've used. Typically they're inaudible at lower speeds then the whine picks up as RPM's increase. Sounds like you at least might be able to create a fan profile to alleviate it on this one.

 

Bruh, doesn't you have a few cats? I wonder what this gaming chair had costs with out the logo.

See from 18:50

 

Just curious but what are the fan speeds set to in performance mode? Are they just set to 100%? I am unfamiliar with AWCC and don't have the laptop yet so I just wanted to know.

 

have you the knowledge of the TGP on the x15/x17?

 

X15
3060 90W
3070 110W
3080 110W

X17
3080 165W
3070 140W
3060 I mean it’s 130W. Could be 140W but I doubt it.

All with Dynamic Boost 2.0

 

X17 3080 good on paper, but then you end up staring at 11k TS scores on the 4K display... Sad.

 

Yeah, at stock it thermal throttles hard, and doesnt have mux/adv optimus (seems 360Hz will have it). After some configs, and re-paste it can reach 13K+ TS

 

The usual story then. Good thing RAM can be upgraded this time.

 

Is that a repaste with liquid metal?

Is the new alienware compound crap then? Or is it actually decent but not as good as a conventional liquid metal?

 

The new compound is crap it seems. @pitha1337 repasted with liquid metal and observed a greater than 14C temperature difference in thermals when the CPU was stressed and pulling ~100W.

 

I hope the 4K version has a MUX switch which is just not enabled yet. I guess currently nobody can surely say that the x17 with 4K screen has no MUX switch from the hardware perspective. m15 r5 and r6 got the MUX with a later BIOS update. Well at least I have hope

Currently I can play perfectly on the internal screen. 12700 Points GPU and 10.000 Point CPU in TimeSpy. CPU score can only be reached with other RAM than the Dell "crap". I reached 10.000 points with Crucial CL22@3200Mhz, G.Skill CL18 is still incoming and I hope this will give another boost on CPU.

 

Is the UV enabled for I711800H configurations? Does someone know that?

 

Yes. My best friend has the best config (11980hk+3080+64GB3466), he lent it for me to optmize for about a week . I would say stock cooling is actually good, the problem is: this machine is too thin, so you need to compensate it with some of the best compounds like liquid metal to not throttle or have some overclock headroom.

At stock it easily reach 100 degrees limit with TS 11K pts (~9.5K CPU), but after UV, re-paste and system optimizations it runs way better (13K/12K). Cinebench R20 i reached 5800 pts, Cinebench R23 15200 pts. ~110W CPU 94 Degrees 4.5/4.6GHz All-core clock.

They confirmed Advanced Optimus for 360Hz models, i would not count with a BIOS update for other models, but you never know.

the RAM i tested is stock 3200MHz @CL22, XMP3466MHz @CL22 but runs @CL24 (Dell stuff). I Didn't try to swap RAM, but if this works, G.SKILL 3200 @CL18 would be the best option for performance.

 

For anyone who has reapplied thermal paste how difficult was the process of tearing down? Specifically the X17.

 

If you have repasted the m17 R3/R4 you can handle it. It is a bit more difficult than that. I would not recommend a repaste if you are not 100% sure what you are doing. Especially the only upgrade would be pure liquid metal on CPU and GPU