I did a dumb little test for anyone that cares.
FF15 1080p High benchmark :
1300 Core across - 6822pts, 76.929W (didn't check temp)
1515 Core across - 7651pts, 86.556W, 79C
Stock curve - 7659pts, 91.972W, 80C
Can't confirm the stability being 100% but I ran 1515 core across twice fine. Kinda seems like, other than making the GPU thermal throttle less, there really is no room for overclocking or undervolting since the GPU is already very efficient. On my RTX 2080 and the 1070 of my 15R3, you are able to undervolt + overclock which will get stock-like performance (or more) with a way lower power usage. With the 2070 Max-Q, it just seems like the wattage goes down a small amount and you take a huge performance hit.
Also, I can't confirm it until I do the PCH mod, but my PCH is hitting 91C and I am stuttering in RB6 Siege randomly sometimes. Wonder if it is related to the PCH, since there is nothing else that could be causing it.
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I tried the thermal adhesive with bonding 2 heatsinks and idk if I used too much glue (tried to use about the same amount as you did) but they aren't easily coming apart. Maybe if I used a very tiny amount it would both hold well + be remove-able but Idk if I want to risk that. Apparently Kapton tape holds extremely well so I am kinda considering maybe I can use that to keep the heatsink on the PCH lol
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I'm going to do the repaste and PCH cooling mods today. Just wanted to capture the initial state 6 months after my Kryonaut repaste. Tests were done at 22C ambient.
CB20
The CPU was suffering from hugely uneven temps - 17C max difference:
This phenomenon was noticeable right after the original repaste, but it was more in the ballpark of 8-9C.
PCH temp is a lol during CB20 benching:
TimeSpy (431.60 driver)
Kryonaut continues to do a great job on the GPU, there is no reason to repaste this (but I will try Phobya for fun, rather than re-apply Kryonaut). PCH still pretty much lolled at 64C max.
Sandra Lite Memory Test
HyperX Impact delivered the goods, while the PCH continued to ridicule us with 48C max temp.
AS SSD
I also ran a quick test of my 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD to check interaction with the PCH and whether the temps are OK.
Basically, in all those tests the PCH laughed very very hard at my pitiful testing efforts. Yet, perhaps I could have done better with additional PCH cooling - we will soon find out for sure!
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Overall, I'm relatively happy with the results of Phobya repaste. The results are noticeably better, and the 8750H performs pretty close to max performance.
CB20 (+3%)
While Phobya didn't resolve uneven temps, the temps came down quite a bit. This allowed me to increase the power, and thus the higher result. The PCH worked at a bit higher temp, but that still amounted to max 59C.
TimeSpy (+0.4%)
The GPU performed identically as with Kryonaut, the increase in score was entirely due to the CPU component. Interestingly, max PCH temp went up to 80C.
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Finally, the big moment! I applied RAM (3mm gelid extreme) and PCH cooling (2x20x20x1.5mm copper shims stuck on top of the PCH + 3mm gelid extreme on top for case contact to see if it will have any effect on performance:
CB20
Exactly the same score, which makes sense because the CPU is very close to maxing out anyway, however the PCH indeed ran cooler (about -8C max):
TimeSpy
Same score.
Sandra Lite Memory Test
Exactly the same result, and strangely the same PCH temp.
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Why don't you show the whole HWinfo log? Do you have something to hide or what is the reason?
I logged my values on the same way like you and i've surprisingly a big improvement of the temperatures.
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Come on. you posted a bunch a numbers, temps and values but they are worthless if you hide some values like time, power-consumption, and so on. Example from your log:
So what exactly says your log now? Your GPU temp reaches after 3 minutes an avg temp of 52°C, ok and now? Is that good or bad? Your GPU goes up to 100w, but the most of time it's only 54,48w. Your gpu temps are possibly there, because your gpu had only 50% load. Same for the clock. max 1950 Mhz, but avg only 1.050 Mhz. You can't judge your pch temps or other temps when your system runs with 50% load under 5 minutes. Nobody uses his notebook in a real-world test like gaming for 3 minutes or does everyday some benchmarks. Especially in gaming, where CPU and GPU are working a longer time. That's the purpose of these notebooks.
For a better comparison. In my FC5 tests i had with my weak GTX 1060 more load and higher clock and this over 30 minutes.
First do the same test or take some other game/ test with similar load and time and then you'll see the difference and a much higher pch temp.
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This guy really enjoys trash talking people/making up ridiculous stuff and then saying that other people are in fact the ones doing it, then blocks them lol. His English is great. It's not perfect, but can you also speak German and English very well? You can't even hold a debate /facepalm.
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I wanna add, I have been testing the heatsink on PCH mod for about 2-3 days now and I no longer experience the random stuttering in games. I didn't record before and after results, which doesn't matter when there is only one single person in this thread that doesn't understand lower = better. But yeah, I used to stutter every 15min for about 5 seconds when playing CPU intensive games and it no longer happens. Whether specific people believe the PCH is throttling or not, I think it happens at 91C, that is my experience. The mod dropped it from 91C max to around 80-81 even though its covered in Kapton tape lol (wanted to use it asap and not wait a 24hr cure time for glue). I'll probably leave it this way until I need to open the laptop, since that is better than stock
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Adding this in the R1 thread as well to get opinions (recently received an R2, but has more extreme OLED vertical banding than I’d like so I’m considering a repair or just returning it for the R1).
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I’ve recently put in a second order for an M15 R1 since it is considerably cheaper than the R2. Obviously pros and cons exist, but to get an OLED equipped M1 with nearly all the same specs I am saving 475 dollars (675 if I don’t count the VISA prepaid card as I haven’t received that yet).
SO R1 Specs in order just placed: 9750, WIFI6, 16GB, 2060, OLED, 90Wh, 512GB drive
My R2 currently in hand: 9750, WIFI6, 16GB, 2070 MQ, OLED, smaller battery, 2TB drive
What I gain going to the R1:
- Money in the pocket
- Better maintenance, and easy repaste
- Num-pad? Lol
- I think I prefer the R2 design language overall, but I don’t like the front edge of the R2 at all compared to the R1 (the glossy angled edge of the R2)
- I don’t have to worry about that beautiful white surface getting discolored on the R2
- 90Wh vs 76 seems like another hour
What I would lose going to the R1
- 2070 Max-Q performance - but I think this is only a 5-10% frames loss?
- Storage - although I plan to put my existing 2TB Intel SSD from my desktop in there tooffset, but I was going to put it in the R2 anyways so I don’t consider the price of that drive part of the delta
- Smaller bezels
- Less color calibrated OLED? I’m not a “creative” so I don’t think this matters
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From what I remember, nearly everything is soldered on the r2's. Even the WiFi/BT chips lol. I think the only thing that isn't soldered, is maybe some NVME slots? That alone is extremely dumb if you don't have extended warranty, since it would be very hard to fix yourself if needed.
Small bezels are cool, but if you look at the dimensions it doesn't really reduce the size much. The bezels on the r1 are only a few mm (3-4?).
The r2 does look nicer for sure. Going from a 15R3, the Alienware logo lights up and you can choose the color. On this one it just looks so boring and plain, like it looks like its broken because its a plain silver logo. However, I prefer laptops to be less flashy... it makes people ask less questions.
If you ask me, I'd say go for the m15r1.
- Wait until January sales if you can, they are the best. If not, Christmas sales are better than black friday.
- Use cashback websites on Dell
- I recommend to buy used/open box/refurbished.
- Why should you buy refurbished? Because you save 300-500$ for it having a scratch or being used. You put that money towards a extended warranty (which also goes on sale around holidays) and now you have a 'used' laptop that if something happens, you get very good support and fre
- If you can find a website that sells Dell gift cards, you can save easily 8-10% off 2k this way too, but I think those are harder to find nowadays.
- If you are buying new, definitely make a post on some Dell Facebook/twitter pages asking for a dell brand ambassador. If there is no good cashback offerings, you can use a Dell brand ambassador to help both them in yourself, because you save 10%.
- make sure you sign up for one of those Dell account things so you get 3% cashback in the form of a dell gift card. I got a 90$ gift card, bought a Xbox one and then sold it.
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Also I should say, I agree with you on Dell costs - even a moderately savvy buyer can get better deals than MSRP. The reason I’m picking the “uglier” M15 over the Blade is simply because of Price. I would prefer the Razer Blade aesthetic, but no way I can get a 4K OLED Razer gaming laptop for 1650 bucks. Even if I compromise on my desire for 4K OLED, the Blade 15 with a 2060 is still 1900 dollars without any extended warranty. Both prices above I included a year of premium support.
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I bought my first Alienware around Black Friday and ended up returning it after I saw all the sales January and bought a higher spec'd laptop for same price. But then I learned if you go with accidental damage warranty, you get a used product in return. So imo there is no point in paying for accidental damage + a new laptop because you won't get a new system in return if yours is damaged badly.
I always thought the veterans discount was a all-year-round thing from Dell and I don't think it would stack with other coupons. There really is a lot of variables with choosing what to go with. Because you can use a coupon + 12%cashback (I recommend just checking cashbackmonitor website) and that works. However You can't use a coupon and than a brand ambassador discount and I also don't think a veteran discount works with coupons.
Afaik, you can use 3 cards max to make a Dell purchase. So if that is 3x 1000$ dell gift cards, or 2x 1000 gift cards and credit, provided they didn't change it. The website Raise used to sell Dell cards often but they seemed to not have them lately.
Also to anyone that is curious because I was surprised, but when you go to extend a dell warranty it is actually only about 10% higher cost than when originally bought. It's about 1009.40$ for 5 more years, I guess provided you buy it before the warranty ends. Which is pretty crazy because if you would buy a laptop right now, it costs about 910$ for 5 years of accidental damage. It makes me like Dell even more.
Edit: apparently using warranty service resets the point of sale for the laptop and that is why the warranty prices I was given were so good. Didn't know until I asked the Dell guy to explain.Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 -
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Does anyone know if the laptop CPU have any noticeable benefit from using 2400Mhz RAM vs 2666 Mhz? I stupidly bought a 1x 16GBHyperX 2400Mhz due to it having low timings 3 years ago since I wasn't aware higher speeds and timings worked better for gaming. Now I am wondering if I should buy another 16Gb Stick of 2666Mhz and just let it run @ 2400Mhz. Funnily most reviews compare 2133Mhz to 2666Mhz. Or 2400Mhz to 3000Mhz, they just kind of skip over one of the meaningful speeds. Either because its very insignificant or because the graphs look nicer with the bars having bigger gaps.
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Silly question but does anyone have an eBay/Amazon link to where I can purchase both CPU and GPU fans for the alienware m15? Or even a part number? (Both fans are different from each other)
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Received an R1 yesterday - comparing to my R2 in hand. I’m surprised that now that I have the R1 in hand I prefer the more traditional design over the R2 in almost every way! I thought I would like the R2 more as it’s unique, but no, R1 is a better design. Keyboard, and per key RGB is nicer on the R2, along with trackpad. My R1 seems to have a somewhat loose feeling trackpad, but a repair on that looks really simple should I choose that.
The main thing I’m excited about is the R1’s OLED display does not exhibit serious vertical banding. See attached pictures. This is obviously a defective panel on the R2. I’ve been debating whether to live with it, but too many screens in windows use the exacerbating light gray color scheme (windows explorer, any dark theme in word, etc). I would share a video to show how distracting the vertical banding is on the R2 but I think file-size limits really prevent that.
My question to those in the know, the R1’s RED color trends towards orange, how do I correct this? I don’t own any color calibration tool.
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Another question - my R2’s thermals appear to be better out of box. My GPU on the R2 (2070 MQ) runs at mid 70s under load for long periods of time. The 2060 in the R1 seem to be hovering in the mid-80s. Is this normal for the 2060, or is this some bad heat sink action going on? CPU between both is similar, although both will be in the mid 90s after undervolt and throttle quite often under AIDA64/Valley stress test. R2 CPU temps tend to be a few degrees cooler, but it’s so hard to compare as the system makes power limit decisions and the frequency adjusts all over the map. R1 was able to stick around 3.5 GHz, and 95C through a 20 minute AIDA/Valley stress test for the most part. Yes hot, but at least it seemed to maintain that frequency fairly solid.
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R1 is running around 1545 MHz on the GPU though after 2+ hours of valley alone (no AIDA). Temp is 86C after that period.
Update: Adding in that lifting the back end up about .5-.75 inches and now GPU is at 78C after about 10 minutes and closer to 1600 MHz stable, CPU is cooler as well, <90. This is just a valley test, not joint AIDA/Valley. I know this has been reported elsewhere to really help thermals but wow, that’s a lot. I don’t really want to use a “laptop pad”, but does anyone know of a good pair of adhesive feet that can accomplish this same thing (or something that folds down) without necessitating bringing anything else around with me?Last edited: Nov 13, 2019 -
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I ordered an M15 (R1) today.
Trying to get through all the info in this thread. There's a lot
I'm looking to replace the Toshiba drive with a 1TB 970 Evo Plus. Will install Windows Pro in it and just download the drivers from the Dell website.
Mines come with 32GB of Ram so no need to change the memory.
Any other worthwhile upgrades?
* Is it worthwhile upgrading the WiFi card?
* Is it better to remove the killer network software that is installed?
* Mine unfortunately comes with the 4 cell 60Whr battery. Not a huge problem as it will be mostly plugged in, but I'm curious as to whether the design is different in mine. Can the larger battery be used? Does the extra space allow a 2.5" sata SSD to be added?
* Is a repaste worth it? I saw someone saying that screw stripping is a risk. I've just sent a laptop back to dell as I couldn't take out the keyboard to replace the memory as the screws were on so tight they couldn't be moved a mm. So concious of the fact Dell uses poor screws.
Any other advice for a new/future M15 owner?
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I've got a tech screwdriver kit I've used for years and a few other dedicated M2 screwdrivers and nothing could budge them. I've used them with several motherboards and laptops over the last few years, and nothing worked with the Dell.
So are people seeing drops in temperature with the repaste of, say 5 or 10 degrees? Any particular paste everyone is using?
Just checked and I have Artic MX-2, but not sure it it's the best solution for for a mobile GPU.
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Had a look at an instruction video for it and it doesn't look too difficult. Once you get the heatsink out, it's the same process as a desktop repaste.
Appreciate your suggestion.
Worth changing the wireless card too?
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I’m more than fine if this R1 sustains mid 3 GHz Frequency at 95-97C without major adjustments over hours of gaming. Obviously if it could get closer to 4 GHz that would be great, but I’m interested in consistency over time, not really that the CPU is staying below 90C. I’m also interested in quieter fans. The other manufacturers all have the same issues. -
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Have a 90 min AIDA/Valley stress test going.
After 52 Mins/stock: CPU at just under 3.5 GHz @ 97-98C - stable
Switched to -125mV undervolt: CPU still at 3.5 GHz after 20 minutes @ 97-98C stable
Lifting the back end up 1”: CPU drops to 92C, 3.5GHz
For GPU, it’s 86C until the 1” lift, after which it drops to 82C - basically around 1545Mhz average in all cases (and fluctuates up and down).
I’ll try -140 mV, but I’m not getting this thing to care about my undervolt so far, and I’m not an idiot with TS. The same undervolt on my R2 saw a drop to around 90C but I haven’t stressed it as long as this. I’ll have to bring the R2 into work tomorrow to do the same thing to it. Might be a case where too much thermal mass is in the system since I spent 52 minutes at stock? Undervolt might simply be too little too late? Would be interesting to let it fully cool down and then start from scratch with undervolt applied.
Edit: -140 mV still not producing any change. It’s only lifting the back edge up that’s doing anything to get thermals down a bit. CPU performance seems unaffected in all cases, hovers at 34 watts regardless. GPU seems to like getting some more air in and looks more consistent when the back end is raised.Last edited: Nov 14, 2019
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