*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Have you checked with Thaiphoon Burner that your RAM doesn't have write protection on the JEDEC first? I quickly ran into a wall with this.

If it's not, try disabling all CAS latencies that are tied to lower speeds. This should (I think) disable all the lower JEDEC speeds, until you only have 2666MHz or higher (which, if everything said here so far is correct, is the reason the laptop is defaulting to 2400MHz).
Let me know if you get any progress with this, if not, I'll try to take a better look at it tomorrow. Video below on how to disable certain CAS latencies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=sxHjdqwEl_U

 

That’s up from 76? Seems reasonable. Seems odd it took them this long to release XMP this long too. Probably gonna see the same limitations on a R2 if that’s coming in March.

 

This only further solidifies my first and last purchase of an AW system. Hopefully I can wring out another 5 years minimum like the P870DM-G.

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Has anyone else noticed that since AWCC updated, almost every .exe you run it makes the fans run at Performance/Full Speed? Its good for games but for Wallpaper Engine and other apps it's annoying.

 

If this actually is accurate, it's good news indeed. Here's to hoping!

 

sorry but there should not be any temp limit except for TjMax. If i want to run my silicon back to back against it's TjMax, i should be able to. Especially when people pay big bucks..

seems like AW still has ALOT to learn. Especially when you call your laptop "desktop-replacement" which is not. Not with all the cancer firmware/PCH/ME embedded within the system.

Spoiler: Off-topic

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...aptops-with-up-to-28-TB-storage.454150.0.html

 

I have not noticed that here, but I had a typically ( for Dell ) hard time updating took two complete uninstall and deleting of the AWCC folder and reboots before I had it working again.


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I might uninstall and reinstall it and see how that goes. Its not like I can set profiles for apps other than the games it detects itself, unless I am missing something.

 

You can add manually, HOWEVER I have found it does not work with any games that use launchers such as Epic, RockStar, Uplay etc.

Which is a lot of the games I’m playing now.

If anyone has figured out how to get it working with these types of games let me know, I wouldn’t mind trying it out.

I could not get any games to launch from it.


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It works with the games it can find, but the fans are spooling up for me when I open apps like Wallpaper Engine and Rockstar Social Club (before even opening a game). This never happened before I did the update so I assume its something within. I think its a good feature but I want to be in control of it and for what apps it works on, whereas at the minute there is no option to show when or what app it'll kick in on.

 

So in bios 1.9.0 gpu temp limit will be 83?

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I'm not sure this has worked brother, last night I had 79% when I shut down. I only had 74% when I started it this morning. Chargers were in for about a minute before I turned it on.

Admittedly the example above isn't much of a margin, however, previously there has been a more significant margin.

Not sure what can be causing power drain when the machines shut down and the UBS PowerShare option has been disabled. I'll monitor and chance speaking with Dell support if it continues, I just don't fancy coming home to a bulging battery.

 

Could be anything. Only God know how Dell's engineers have screwed up the firmware.

Here's how to fix battery drain after shutdown on your laptop

See also... http://forum.notebookreview.com/search/34298953/?q=battery+drain&t=post&o=relevance&c[thread]=826831

 

Cheers bro, I will give those steps a try and keep my eye on things. Appreciate the help.

 

I hope its higher than 83. Why cant it be max of 87? 83 could still be reached fairly easy.

 

I think 83c will be an improvement, if I remember correctly on BIOS 1.5.0 I only ever reach 79c - 80c overclocked.




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Yea mine does not do that, completely uninstall AW command center, & OC controls / delete the Alienware AWCC folder / reboot machine.

Reinstall AW command center suite, reinstall OC controls, reboot machine, wait for AWCC to load test recreate your profiles.

If any weird behavior rinse and repeat don’t skip the reboots it’s important.


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Mine loses about that much a night as well, but I do leave cooling pad and mouse connected, I have not been too concerned by it.

I can’t wait for some of the new battery tech to finally filter down to consumer level, the batteries we will have in the next 5 years or so will make everything we have today obsolete.


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There is an option to manually add games, but it also picks up all .exe programs, this is new to me. So I've added the Wallpaper Engine among other .exe's and set them to remain on 'Balanced' this seems to have done the trick.

Yeah its not overly concerning I'm more intrigued as to what's causing it. The only slight worry is that its a defective battery, resulting in battery bulge.

 

Very much looking to see the impact here. If it actually solves 90% of the throttling issues I might upgrade to a 2080 at some point when the prices fall, unless a 3xxx-series DGFF card appears for the R1...

 

Don’t be concerned battery drain when it’s off is just big brother cranking it up to see what’s you’ve done for the day.

I also wouldn’t get my hopes up on something Umar or someone said is coming next month.

 

Haha it wouldn't surprise me!

 

No, i don't know. The only confirmation i already have is XMP in march. But GPU temp limit is surely being revised as Umar said.

 

Anyone tried liquid cooling or upgrading the lcd to 18,4” yet?

 

There is not enough bezel space for 18.4" LCD.

Yes, but it was LTT video where it was done poorly fitted with desktop size cooling, and they never got past the basic software tweaks

 

For the exact same reasons they was forced to lower the temp target in first place. RMA, tech support and spare parts aint free. Even if you paid for the extended warranty... It will hurt the bottom line if they have to fix hardware problems like fried components from own wallets.

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Anyone know the Manufacturer/Part Number of the gsync panel dell is currently putting in these?

 

CHI MEI

 

This chi Mei is a bad display manufacturer no? What do others like razer, Asus proart, gigabyte use or even msi? Some of those displays are very good. Not sure who makes them.

But chi Mei sounds like a no name low quality Chinese display you but to save a lot of money on a super high end laptop.

Also 51m is about to be stomped hard by clevo:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Clevo...ke-S-10-core-desktop-grade-CPUs.453755.0.html

Everything is better then 51m except design but the new design looks good enough for me with all that power, cooling and 4k.

 

Somehow I turned on Dell support assist..... How do you turn it off?

It comes on automatically by it self scanning the lappie!

 

Open your Services window, and sort them alphabetically. I think there are 3-4 entries with Dell associated, then further down you might also find Support Assist. Stop all of these entries by right-clicking on each, go into their properties and set them to manual. This 'should' prevent Support Assist from running on its own accord.

I'm doing this all from memory same happened to me a few days ago, I can check later on the machine if this doesn't help.

 

Sad that Clevo didnt design their new ones before the 51m. Otherwise I have no plans to change out for several years since advancements will be quite small until breakthroughs happen in displaytech and thermals.

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I had 5 Dell and turned manual support and assist..... Left data vault C and P on auto...

 

I think that should do the trick.

I've just checked and I have 5 as well, which I stopped and set to manual. I think if you've stopped and set the Data Vault Service API to manual the C and P entries should be fine left as they are.

 

Does anyone here use a thunderbolt laptop dock? I've been trying to find a hub that supports a 144hz gsync ultra wide at 3k res, a normal 60hz 1440p monitor, several USB peripherals, and ethernet to solve my first world problem of having to reconnect 8+ cables every time I take my a51m away from my desk but it seems like such a thing doesn't exist?

 

Chi Mei is a Tiwanese firm and the worlds 2nd largest display manufacturer. They supply to Samsung, Sharp, Asus, LG, and pretty much every other electronics firm out there. They are not well known in the west as many are usually rebrands through the above mentioned.

Their level of quality if fine, and like every manufacturer, have different offerings and different price levels to match the quality

 

I'd wait and see how the cooling in the x170 actually manages to cool the 8 core 14nm parts before singing it's praises. As for the 10 core, it might not be supported, since the slides leaked came out 6 months ago. That was before public was made aware that 10 core parts would draw around 300W of power and had motherboard vendors worried.

 

Its actually a good panel and they do make good panels for a LARGE part of the market..

 

How do you guys figure out how much cooling capacity a laptop have vs the power it needs and the heat it will generate? Right now when I judge a laptop in this aspect, I only base it off the thickness and the visible exhaust ports and how much capacity its power adapter(s) have, and compare it with the similar specced top end machines like if something like asus proart studio book one has powerful components and only comes with a single 330W power adapter, I doubt its potential as I know many powerful laptops come with 2 of those, etc.

Is there a better way to formulate these?

 

I think you are on point - if they actually _do_ go through with an 83' limit, how much better will this be in reality for 2080 owners do you think?

 

If anyone is interested I made a video running Wolfenstein: Youngblood with RTX and DLSS on the Alienware Area 51m.
This is with current 1.7.3 bios and the 1.0.0.5(180W) vBios.
The CPU has been undervolted and the GPU is overclocked and with a custom curve.
Fans were on Balanced Mode (that is correct! Not Performance or Full Speed).
The thermals are seen in MSI Afterburner Overlay for the whole run.



Now, I help but wonder, why couldn't Dell/Alienware tweak the default profiles for the CPU (Did you know that AWCC is using XTU profiles internally? That's why is overriding between reboots what we set in XTU). They could have done the same for the GPU with an MSI Afterburner approach for the voltage/frequency curve.

I am amazed how good the thermals are in the laptop if the CPU doesn't start drawing 160W constantly and the GPU doesn't boost to insane +2000Mhz on core.

I hope you enjoy the video
Cheers!

 

Yep that's one of the most infuriating things, this laptop CAN be made to run really well, and the thermals controlled without sacrificing too much performance, but Dell Alienware engineering seems to be clueless as to how to do it. ( my theory is that the folks doing that job are NOT Gamers ).

 

Every engineering decision is made from a cost perspective, or the fear of cost mainly. I mean I would not be surprised to learn that Azor really wanted the AW 51M to be _the_ cool system, but left in part due to the many compromises and ultimate constraints. Dell is really kind of a sweat shop from everything I have heard, its no wonder so many issues arise. I would have left long ago had it not been for their support which might take 2-3 tries, but will get it done and better yet come out on location. I'd probably have to resort to Clevo or something otherwise like Asus.

 

yeah there's no space for an 18" panel there lol I upgraded to 4k and had to get rid of the webcam

 

Nice no loss on that webcam from the 90’s lol you would think on a premium product like this they could have found another $1.25 to include a decent camera :/


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exactly and the first thing i do when i get a new laptop is disable the camera in the bios lol

 

There's no 'one size fits all' formula regarding the cooling, as far as I know. Since there are many factors involved in fully utilizing the capacity of a heatsink. However, we can make an educated guess based on factors that we do know. Such as, the heatsink capacity contrasting current gen hardware

Spoiler

The total capacity of the x170 is 340W, that's for both a maxP MXM GPU and a CPU, since it's a unified design. So, let's compare that to current hardware. A good 9900K/KS at 5Ghz all core in TimeSpy pulls around 130W, which mimics a gaming load. AVX titles will pull even more at that speed. That leaves roughly 200W for the GPU, where a 150-180W RTX2080 might actually not throttle itself into oblivion at stock clocks. Since all the excess heat from the CPU will also impact the GPU.

Now, looking at the 10th gen, it's still on the 14nm node, so expect similar results for the i7 10700K (8 core) at least, since it will likely perform very closely to a 9900K. Whilst reports of 10 core parts pulling upwards of 300W is worrisome. So when you take that in account paired with the knowledge above, it gives you an idea of what that machine might be capable off handling.

This is not taking in account various voltage losses, silicon quality and having the fans blasting 60dB constantly.

Lastly, you should always do your due diligence and research the system, looking at it as a whole. Specs can look awfully tempting along with the looks, but that's kinda useless if important features such as the BIOS/firmware are locked down.

As for the power supplies.. My older 9900K was paired with a powermodded 1080 on a single 330W. That's benching and pulling well over 200W on the GPU alone, paired with an 8 core running 5.2Ghz. For my daily, it ran at 5Ghz paired with a slightly lower OC on the 1080. Other power supplies might not be capable of this and will need two bricks.

 

hey there , my old buddy from the m17x days . Is that really you? Lol

 

Cheers for the video! Any reason you've gone back to 1.7.3? I was happy with it for a while but upgraded to 1.8.0 to use the HWInfo fan profiles (which I still haven't done) and I can't help but think I should just go back to what I was happy with for so long.

 

No actual reason.
I was playing with Bioses at the time 1.8.1 was removed. Since I didn't have a copy of 1.8.1 around, I decide to stick with the 1.7.3 that come installed on my laptop when I purchased it.

Cheers!

 

If 1.8.1 was still available would you have stuck with it?

 

Currently, once 1.8.1 was removed, I would have reverted to 1.7.3. I am not sure what the reason for removal was, but since it is removed I see no point or benefit or using it

Cheers!