*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Maybe Throttle Stop conflicting with it? Did you try a clean install for Alienware Command Center?

 

Hello. that is exactly what i was trying to say.

 

You will probably get heart attack. This isn't even with all benchmark software installed. Only the beginning on a new bench session You can of course hide it from desktop. But not uninstall it.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4371272_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___32b_geforce_gtx_1070_15min_50sec_462ms

Who would download it from Win store?

That's good.

A huge love for everything that's possible to install?

 

That’s a desktop though, that’s a different story, if you don’t like how it performs and you want more you can always change the cooling system with a better one, the best you can do in a laptop is change paste these days.
What may give me an heart attack is the amount of staff on the desktop .

 

Desktop or notebook doesn't matter.

Better? Single click and everything is clean.

 

Anyone installed 1.9 bios?
good or bad?

 

bad, throttles the GPU the moment it reaches 75C just like any BIOS post 1.5.0

 

Above 79 actually

 

Why the half it at 79? most gpus can run up to 85 easily.

 

ask Dell/Alienware

 

I believe the rumor was what, a BIOS coming to allow it to go to 85' C coming - but I will believe it when I see it. I don't think its the GPU, its somehow related to the burn-up issue earlier in the year but not quite clear I think why. Someone please give their best understanding of this - I thought it was the more power the system drew the more likely the chip burnout issue occurred, but I might be confused on that point.

 

Correct but it is a light throttle at 75C. MHz will drop 200 or close. You still have decent frame rates but not great.
The big THERMAL THROTTLE ( MHz drop to 500MHz, and frame rates is very bad) only occurs when temperatures of the GPU reaches 79C or more..
But to do that you absolutly need to use AWCC and set an overclock profile at more than 78C. Only then you will see your GPU throttle because your AWCC overclock is the only one application that will allow your GPU to go over 75C. You can still use MSI afterburner for your core and memory overclock.
Now the conclusion is for best performance set AWCC at 78C (to avoid bad throttle and to maximise performace (more then 75C light throttle) untill a better bios is ever released)
@Biker Gremling guide for overclocking explains it very well. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-area-51m-undevor-and-overclock-guide.830857/

 

No news in Bios 1.9.3 about memories 2666?

 

Nope

 

Thanks for the advise on the 100MHz core overclock for stability in games. Testing in games will be my next step. In firestrike my best score was:24300 could not replicate. Most of my results we're 24000 combined with 28500 graphics which is far from early version with bios 1.5 or less. I think @iunlock did 31500 for graphics.

 

With that +100Mhz I stay around 1900Mhz even when hitting the 78C limit I've put in the AWCC. Unfortunately my library is limited right now, but I've already tested a bunch of games and I've noticed no problems with these settings, if needed I can write a list of games I've tested and how they've performed.

 

I think I saw someone post a ways back that the power delivery formulas may not be quite correct and can deleiver too much voltage in certain situations. Anyone else remember who that was ?

 

Don’t mattahhh

On 9900K/2080:

1.5.0 BIOS
+
200W VBIOS
+
UV CPU
+
UV and OC GPU
=
Best performance and no burnouts and no throttling.

Given: repasting and repadding.

I run BFV on max fans, I’ve seen some CPU temps peak at 90° at times, depending on the map. Ultra settings, 1080p, Gsync, RTX off. All other games on performance fans.

 

What is "repadding"all about again?

 

You can use Asus GPU Tweak to set the GPU thermal limit. It lets you continue to use ThrottleStop without AWCC constantly resetting CPU clock speeds.

 

Oh man! A51M thread has crossed 2030 pages. Its been a while since I visited this section and it was 1093 when I last saw!

Did A51M get full TDP unlock for CPU/GPU? I did see 2667MHz support few months ago but nothing about 3000MHz+ speed.

 

No, things only get worse with every BIOS update. I'm on BIOS 1.3.2 with the 200W VBIOS!

 

Bloody hell! I thought 2080 got 200W+ and CPU got 150W+ at 5GHz. The TDP numbers looks similar 17r4/r5 now!
2080 and 9700/9900K has too much potential and now I feel it deserved very BIOS at the very least.

 

Replace stock thermal pads with some alphacool, fuju or some other high quality thermal pads tog o along with the new paste.

 

Strange thing happened last night. I was messing around with different vbios/bios combinations to see differences in performances yielded. I ordered my a51m in Feb. I downgraded vbios to 1.0.0.0 while on 1.7.3. Blank screen issue. Obviously no support for 1.0.0.0 on 1.7.3. I did a blind recovery down to 1.5.0. Now for the interesting part. As laptop was ordered, 144hz screen no gsync. After the 1.0.0.0 to 1.7.3 to 1.5.0 debacle, I now have gsync. I've since upgraded back up to 1.9.3 and 1.0.0.5 and have retained gsync....

 

I mean if you're back on 1.9.3 it makes sense.... you should have Gsync with that level of BIOS.

 

He never ordered Gsync with the laptop, that's why it's weird. He ordered the panel that did not include Gsync, but after downgrading the bios/vbios it is showing up that he has it anyways. It shouldn't be possible to have Gsync if he didn't get a laptop that had it.

 

Ah okay. I suspect its the same panel, the Gsync is just a BIOS level features implementation, its not using the hardware module. Sounds like a firmware bug that's "allowing" Gsync when it shouldn't, but nice!

 

I suspect the same as you. I'm thinking the bug was when i went to vbios 1.0.0.0 on bios 1.7.3 which was unsupported with that vbios then went to 1.5.0 blind. The laptop orginally came with 1.8.1 and 1.0.0.5 and no g-sync. I was more posting as something others could try if they're comfortable trying a blind bios recovery as a means of enabling g-sync on non gsync models that have been ordered recently. It can likely be reproduced. I used the bios and vbios from the collection thread.

 

And, there is no legitimate excuse for it. Even my low-budget turdbook with a locked CPU can run the memory at 3000+ effortlessly.


A 9900K CPU should be able to handle running the RAM at 4000+ MHz with minimal effort. It can't, so it's not really a DTR. A DTR runs like a desktop. If it can't, then it's not a DTR.

Here's my daily driver. Idles all day long, 7 days a week, at 5.0GHz on all 18 cores/36 threads. No point in settling for stock clocks if there is no reason to.

Click and run Cinebench with no special performance tweaks, full-cancer Windows 10 1909 trash OS. Life is good.

 

Nice find but be VERYCAREFULL with bios downgrade is my advice.
My laptop like yours was built in february and came whit bios 1.8.1. @Spartan noticed that this bios wasn't available anymore so i downgraded to 1.7.3 version using the usb key procedure and everything was fine. Then i decided to go 1.3.2 and maybe upgrade to 1.5.0 later, but disaster happened.
That break the CPU 9900k. 2 red light follow by 1 blue light was all i could get from the laptop after.
I had to send it back to Dell depot and they replaced the CPU, motherboard was ok.
I am saying that because @manitu did the exact same thing i did and also broke is laptop.

 

Replacing thermal pads

 

Best practice is to never update firmware, especially on a laptop. At least not do it until after hundreds of other dumb-dumbs have jumped off the cliff first and demonstrated a very tangible benefit (that you need and want) after having done so with documented results.

 

you are so right. Now i am setting the bios disabled all updates and reset it everytime the laptop BSOD because it turns itself back on when i have to reload the default. I hope it will also protect me from intel's microcode @Papusan warned us about. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...locked-out-due-latest-win-update-bios.831450/

 

I too found out the hard way that new builds can't go straight 1.8.1 to 1.3.2. But, as I just got the laptop and it's still under warranty, I'll stress it and play with it all I can, including trying all the different bioses to see what works best for my use case. As a devout enthusiast, I will always tinker and play with every piece of electronics I get to push it to it's limits. I learned long ago, get it out of my system while it's still under warranty so if I do something stupid it costs me no time, effort and $ to have the issue corrected.

 

so the common point is: bios 1.3.2 downgrade + - probably recent built (february 2020)= Break laptop.

 

That's the right way to do it. If you run the dog dukey out of it and overclock the snot out of it like there is no tomorrow and it survives the first year it will probably last you until it's too old and slow to care if it dies. If you kill it doing that, then get it fixed under warranty and get rid of it because it's junk.

 

Hey guys, I just want to ask a couple things if you will indulge me (for reference I have an Area-51m spec'd with the i7-9700k and the 2070, look in my sig for details)

Um, first off, I am a bit lost and ignorant about the issues involving the BIOS, and I honestly don't know if I *should* change it, or have a need to... I would certainly like to know.

I just checked my BIOS via the little DOS-like command prompt (my first desktop computer in my room ran solely on DOS!) and it said I am on SMBIOSBIOSVersion 1.8.1... is this OK? Should I just not screw with it?

Another thing, I just want to MAKE SURE about... Now, the game I've been playing for the past several weeks on this beast is Borderlands 3, and I certainly have no complaints about how the game runs - it is smoother than just about any shooter I've played. Absolutely no screen tearing even whens I jerk my viewpoint 180-degrees in the other direction, it still seems DAMN smooth. And this is with all the settings on "extreme" or "insane" or whatever the max is. I just want to be sure - with G-SYNC, it is *supposed* to be capping at approximately 60-FPS, correct? If it can do this fine, as is, I would not necessarily need to overclock, no?

One thing.. When I am playing Borderlands and I bring up the task manager, it usually says Borderlands 3 is taking up like 98% of my GPU, which I do find somewhat worrying. Or maybe it is supposed to? I am not overclocking, perhaps I should be? I'm really not sure how to adjust the settings, and it doesn't seem like I ought to overclock/undervolt it to the point where the fan's blasting out air like I'm playing a high-graphics game when I'm just checking my email.

 

I can tell you from all my testing, that aside from bench marking, there is no noticeable difference in the various bioses and vbioses. Some will argue about the lower thermal throttle on newer bioses. I have found in my use though with the newest vbios(180W) that I never hit that hard thermal throttle. Bench marking in 3d mark, at most I yielded a 1.5% gain with bios 1.5.0 and a 200w vbios. So really, I wouldn't bother. A 1.5% gain is hardly worth the extra heat and stress on components from the higher wattage. As for overclocking, there is a larger gain, but again at most I achieved 5%. Again, hardly worth the extra stress and heat.

 

That is good and exactly what you want to see. Seeing below about 90% GPU utilization is undesirable.

 

Thanks so much, man - I was kinda hoping you'd say something like this!

I did have another important query, however, for you and anyone else who knows this sort of thing a bit better than me. I would very much like to upgrade a couple little things on this beast that I skimped out on while spec'ing it, because I knew I could buy and install cheaper/better RAM and SSDs than what they were offering.

So, here is the deal. I have an SSD in here that came with the laptop - a 512GB Samsung PM981a drive. It seems like this was a fabulous, cutting edge thig in 2017, but maybe it's a bit more mundane now? But anyway, I really really would like to know if there are any SSDs out there which perhaps offer a HIGHER level of performance; the Intel Optane series maybe? It seemed massively expensive from Dell, but everything is, so I hope maybe it is possible?

Basically, I am fine with space. I've got a big 1TB platter in there from my last laptop with all my stuff in it, plus the 512GB SSD with the OS on it, along with plenty of games/media that rapidly accumulates. Still, I really don't need or want more room, but rather like something better to run my OS off, if such a thing exists.

And I'd also like to buy another couple sticks of RAM, upgrade it from ~16GB of memory to something twice that. I can get like, a different brand and type or even size of memory and just snap it in there? I have always been slightly confused about this.

 

Everything started right after Azor pushed his engineers to release same vBios as Asus. This vithout proper testing! The burning mess started and RMA numbers most likely went up to heaven. And the Area-51M ain't alone with this mess. Dell did it with the Dell XPS line as well.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-702#post-10893064

Depends if security is on your agenda. Bios 1.8.1 was removed due buggy coding. And only God knows what more was destroyed in that firmware version.

Fixes & Enhancements - newest Bios 1.9.3

Fixes:
-Fixed the issue where the option to enable or disable the hard drive password in the BIOS setup is unavailable. This issue occurs after you update the BIOS to version 1.8.1.

 

I use the Samsung 970 evo plus for NVME storage that is cheaper than the 970 Pro and basically gives you the same if not better performance.
When it comes to adding ram to the stock dell ram, be careful I’ve read of some people having problems with some modules, maybe somebody else here can give you better advice. What I did is order my model with just 8GB and replace those two sticks with two sticks of 16GB hyperX so if in the future I want to upgrade to 64GB I’ll just need to buy two identical sticks from amazon.

 

Adaptive-Sync is a VESA standard for DisplayPort, and not some other form of display connection. HDMI 2.1’s optional standard is just called “HDMI 2.1 VRR”.

To make matters worse Nvidia G-Sync Mobile seems to rely and make use of the same cornerstones that makes up the VESA DisplayPort Apative-Sync standard on devices with embedded displays (laptops, etc).

Theoretically, there’s nothing that’s preventing Nvidia from extending their existing G-Sync Mobile technology being used on laptops with eDP connections without the proprietary scalar module to also support the same functionality on modern DP 1.2a monitors with support for VRR when connected using a DisplayPort cable.

That they haven’t done so yet suggests they’re trying to push as large of their consumer base into buying a more expensive and certified G-Sync monitor which Nvidia profits more from (both due to the proprietary module involved along with the licensing/certification fees).

Long term this might ensure that their consumer base is much less likely to buy a competitor’s brand, since e.g. buying an AMD GPU would mean losing out on VRR if owning a G-Sync monitor, unless also buying a new FreeSync monitor, which ends up being a much more expensive endeavor than just purchasing a new Nvidia GPU.

 

Me too Brother...............

 

if you disconnect the battery of Area51m, no firmware update shall be performed.

Found this Vapor Chamber mod

 

Yes, did a clean install but when the newest OC controls got installed, the issue arose again.

Voltage regulators are temperature dependent. The cooler they work, the more Amps they can take.

Something that I'm doing lately is have a 2nd OC profile at AWCC set to 84C. Then I set fans to "Full speed" and I open HWinfo64 (sensors only). I click on the fan icon and set both fans to "Custom Auto" (parameters need to be changed). That way I can run at +78C (I prefer not exceeding 83C since the chassis gets very warm).

I use this for games that really need that extra FPS (like COD MW). I still run the 180W vBIOS since, over time, that is about where power consumption settles to mantain the 83C).

I really need to update the guide to feature this.

 

Another vote for the evo plus. Can be tricky to get working...a few bios selections are not intuitive

 

There were at least 2 200W VBIOSes released. @Prema, to which one is this in reference to?

The installers were something like 1.0.0.X.

Did any VBIOS version have the boost tables properly adjusted?

 

I could not set a fan profile in HWinfo (button isn't showing) so i used alienware fan profile and set it at maximum performance and run a test at 84C and a test at 78C. Even tho i had a better results at benching in Heaven the theremal throttles at 84C was terrible and i would not wan't to game with this setting because the frame per second should drop very bad.

This image is 84C bad throttle.


This image is 78C light throttle