*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

So.. Dell tech just left after installing new soundcard. You will all be shocked to hear I now have sound!!!

Sigh. All the time and effort....not to mention Dells cost. At least I have a newer MB now.

My timespy has dropped 200 points. No thermal throttling according to HIwin so I am not sure why...unless the m2 drive is hitting a limit.

In the meantime i ordered new pc speakers (edifier 350s) in case something is up with my old set.

I hate to ask this....but Can someone with the 9700K and the 2070 post their timespy scores?

I am getting 7497 (external monitor)

Last month I got 7725.( that is with an external monitor so higher resolution)

When i first purchased the machine I got 7936 (using internal display)

Sorrryy to ask...

 

Looks low. Last time I checked I was getting 7550 on m15/8750h/2070MQ on an external 4K monitor - a laptop almost half the size.

 

Did you have to reinstall anything software wise? Maybe the new MB is using different firmware which is causing the discrepancy. Someone else can chime in on this though, I dunno...I dont think I would worry about this though. As the system ages the scores are not going to stay exactly the same. 200 points is around 2.5% of overall score. Scores dont stay exactly the same as the system ages, at least in my experience.

 

Guys for those interested 3DMark Advanced Edition is 85% discount, i just bought it for €3.74

 

intel's lid is square = X method or spread.

 

Steam summer sale?

 

I'm no expert but I'm sure some of the bigger tech channels on Youtube disproved that too much was bad. Either method is fine as long as your temps are acceptable.

 

Yes that is true, too much grease is not a big issue.
However they all tested it on a desktop/test bench which has much more pressure heatsink contact, not a weak unified laptop heatsink like ours.

 

Its worked for me thats all I can base my argument on. If your temps are fine then whatever method you used is also fine.

Phobya Nanogrease using more than I no doubt should have in the x method has got me where I want to be.

 

You can find videos supporting virtually any opinion on YouTube, including ones attempting to disprove basic physics. Excess paste is clearly sub-optimal because a compound like Phobya has still lower thermal conductivity than metal. This should be pretty obvious. It may or may not matter in practice, especially in a laptop which is likely bottlenecked by other elements of the cooling system.

Doesn't make much sense to discuss whether an arbitrary criterion such as "fine" holds (some people are fine with Dell Toothpaste), it's more constructive to consider which approach is most likely to yield best results. This could also be thermal compound dependent: for example Phobya specifically recommend spreading the paste.

 

To compare - are you OC'd or not? I am happy to pull up some numbers but I need to know the basic setup first.

 

I have used a credit card to spread a pea size drop to a even coat on all my machines as long as I can remember and it has NEVER failed me.

 

oui monsieur

 

Not overclocked

 

9900K run hotter

 

Hello, i want to repaste my area51m, it is wrong if i put 2 thermal pads 1mm to make 2mm from them?
Thanks!

 

Not ideal, they won’t work as 2mm

Since there is glue material in between two surfaces

 

I want to put alphacool 14mk/w i don t think they have glue.....

 

Okay, ran TimeSpy this morning under these conditions:

Sound enabled
Gsync of course off
Nivida settings default
Nvidia BIOS 90.06.45.00.29
Nvidia driver 442.23
BIOS 1.8.1
Performance Mode (thermal), High Power Mode
No OC
Laptop Elevated on the back about .25" on granite counter top
Internal Monitor

Score: 7812

I'd say if your's is comparable, you're fine. Don't get too hung up on scores; they are nice, but a couple hundred points either way is not going to show much difference in a game usually, maybe 1-2 fps or so on average. Tuning is fine, scoring is fun, but be sure to remember what it really means in practice.

 

not glue but some sticky material

 

So R2 today in papers here now $7.5k AU for 64gb with 2080 super.....

 

Thank you!!! I was just concerned this had something to do with the soundcard blowing. Like a power surge

 

Is that the Svarovski edition:

https://www.goldgenie.com/product/gold-iphone-xs-swarovski-range/

 

That is crazy, I'd imagine you could probably get two really good desktops for that price range?

 

No, its really I think just the sum of drivers, BIOS updates, even the default settings for Nvidia aren't all optimal. I could probably have eked a few more points out on disabling sound entirely, but honestly its so close its negligible.

 

Well this is interesting.... I downloaded latest Nvidia drivers and after update got a popup about Gsync Monitor discovered , I checked control panel and saw Gsync enabled ( I keep it disabled because I run BIOS 1.5.0 ) .

So Thought well this cant work but ill try it anyway, fired up a game and ….it works with Gsync enabled no flickering black screen …. I then got suspicious and checked HWinfo64 to see if my BIOS had been stealth updated but its still at 1.5.0

So it looks like the latest Nvidia driver has built in Gsync support for this panel. Cool I guess for those that want to use Gsync.

Also on the class action lawsuit investigation front :

BREAKING NEWS: After hearing from many Alienware Area 51m users, we have expanded our class action investigation to also include overheating and performance issues.

 

Not so sure it will help.... Dell have covered up for this.


http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r2-owners-lounge.832848/page-50#post-11030802

I start wonder whether this lawyer only goes for the money and can't see the facts. The consumers (here the owners) will be the losers. The upgrade path scam is one thing but this? Nope.

 

Could be a bit too heavy handed? Businesses have folded under lawsuits before, which wouldn't be the best outcome for the consumers. On the other hand, the more publicity around this, the better.

I'm not a lawyer, but adding a page in broken English on their support website after the fact is unlikely to provide them with legal immunity.

 

Remember Intel's specs say 100C. And Nvidia haven't officially released specs for max allowed temp on Mobile graphics. They can put whatever they want.

One of many reasons to never install such bloat/spyware...

Affected NVIDIA GeForce Experience versions
The security issue impacts Windows computers running versions of NVIDIA GeForce Experience before 3.20.4.

"Earlier software branch releases that support this product are also affected," NVIDIA also explained. "If you are using an earlier branch release, upgrade to the latest branch release."

NVIDIA fixes code execution bug in GeForce Experience software

 

Great post. Always lots of excuses, no solutions.

Um... probably because he's a lawyer? Loves money and personal gain more than bloodshed in the name of justice?

There are lots and lots of good attorneys... but, the stereotype has been earned by the behaviors of those most notorious in the eyes of the public.

 

I mean the owners should post all aviable info in main webpages + facebook/twitter (AW support-Umar-Ernie and Eddy) with the provided info overheating and performance issues - Dell Alienware Area 51 Class Action Investigation Or better say the ongoing gather up for lawsuit.

Many review webpages should get this info. Pcworld.com, Hothardware.com, Tomshardware.com, Techpowerup.com, Anandtech.com, Wccftech.com, Guru3.com etc + many more. All of them should be able to publish this news.

I bought this laptop because it was advertised as upgradable but seems it's not

 

Did you mean pcworld.dell.com?

 

Tomshardware is also in that bucket But yeah, Gordon Mah Ung is one of their favorite review editors.

Should still have it on front page on their website.

Maybe we could smoke out some from Dell/Aw HQ.

 

yea something for the Lawyers to sort out, hopefully they find it worth the while to slap them around a little bit if only to make them reconsider letting the advertising department run away with the truth.

Yes I feel most are honest but like every group of people there will always be a few bad apples, the moral of the story though is don't do shady things to get any lawyers coming after you and yours !

 

So I figured out part of my performance issue. One of my Ram chips has blown....down to 8 gigs.

Sigh.

 

Let's take a moment to spare a thought for fellow owners of Alienware m15 R2 and R3, who would require a motherboard replacement at this point.

 

OMG...you are so right.

Tech was grounded...I going to try to reseat the ram. Otherwise...i have 2 16 gig sticks of hyperx in my cart.

 

Excuse to get more memory

 

Any reason to get the 2666 memory instead of the 2400? Its not like it will run at that speed...

 

I'd go for 3000 or 3200 and if you ever upgrade to a system that can use it you already have it and can move it to the new system and install the old slower RAM back into the R1 for resale or RMA. Always nice to have a plan for the future. It will save you money later (not having to buy new sticks later) even if you cannot benefit from it now.

 

Done. To be honest im going back to building desktops for gaming. Future laptops will be medium range....whole 51M experience has soured me on the concept of a DTR.

BUT..I have been very impressed with kid 1s GE66 raider. Not perfect at all. But well done MSI.

 

Alienware haven’t don DTRs since 2012/13. And Azor said it is too complex when he started throw out their BGA models in 2015.

 

Very wise. I have no regrets. It was a hard decision because I lived the days that there were multiple options available for great quality monsterbooks that gave desktops a good run for the money. Sad to say those days are gone for good. I knew and lived what awesome was like, but now that I have moved back to desktops I wonder why it took me a year to decide to blow off the idea of having expensive high performance laptops. I wish I had done so a year or two earlier in 20/20 hindsight.

Even if the Area 51m didn't have so many limitations that it shouldn't have, you'd still have the stupid idiot nonsense like Micro$lop BIOS updates and having to install UWP trash apps like AWCC to have basic functionality. That kind of crap is totally unacceptable. Any company claiming to offer a DTR that is reliable on that kind of rubbish product model is nothing more than a legend in their own mind and in the minds of their Kool-Aid drinking sheeple. You can't build a desktop with garbage like that because most performance desktop enthusiasts would have a conniption fit about that kind idiotic filth. A DTR should be a DTR, not a turdbook with a desktop CPU.

 

The machine had promise. The issues where cost cutting and poor corporate decisions "alienating" the enthusiast base.

How many times have we seen buyouts fail...they never learn.

Now...It still can push pixels and if it holds together (big if there) my AGE will pay dividends. Until they decided to cripple that also. Why give an upgrade path that effects future LT sales??

 

Most likely AW MB number 26. None in the world have swapped so many MB as @VICKYGAMEBOY

 

I thought about complaining to Dell over the whole experience...the broken promises. The argument over the soundcard....and trying to get the memory replaced. BUT the tech did everything right...and I suspect they will blame him.

 

1 out of 26 worked fine in the end.. it took 5 years.. anyways its still a test system for me.. asus and razer is another nightmare here to service..

 

Ok. The Ram was bugging me...so I reseated the sticks. Now I have 16 gb again.

I also ran time spy on the internal screen.

The result is....7814. 2nd highest score to date.

Of course...I have 32 Gb of memory on the way.

Sigh.

 

Hey guys I have a 51m R1 with the 2080 and it's running at half speed almost all the time. I've flashed to the 1.5.0 BIOS to handle the thermal limit issue, but HWINFO still says it's hitting PerfCap - Thermal even when it's sitting idle at 40-50C. It won't clock up in most games, it'll run 600-800MHz Core speed and 5000MHz memory. Even benchmarking in 3D Mark (Time Spy or Firestrike, doesn't matter) it'll sometimes run full speed but more often than not it'll run at half power. Only game so far that runs full speed is Metro Exodus, but even that can be hit and miss. I've tried fresh Windows 10 install, different drivers, flashing to the 200W BIOS.. I'm running out of ideas, and google isn't supplying answers.

I tamed the 9700K in a matter of minutes with an aggressive undervolt, but I figured that would have been the harder part than the 2080.

 

The simple fact is, the PC is slowly dying. These old PC companies know this, and are just doing everything they can to milk the market with cost-saving / marketing efforts before its all over. Sad, but true. Your phone will just be a conduit for Cloud services for whatever you're using in time.