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I’ll admit I’m ignorant to the performance of W11. I’ll read up and make a choice at some point. Likely will stay on W10 til this machine dies honestly!

 

Going to stay AWAY from Windows 11, I don't expect M$croSloth to have it working for at least 12 months after release.
Everything is a BETA now if not an ALPHA we are living Ideocracy.

 

On 1.5.0 there is no throttle. I can hit 100C on CPU and idk how high but I have hit up to 90C on GPU before without throttle.

That's what makes it a nice firmware.

"Stock" as in set everything to default settings, AWCC should have no OC profiles, fan profile set to balanced or performance is fine. No MSI Afterburner curves, clock offsets etc. You can use your vapor chamber heatsink thats fine, just need the clock speeds for cpu/gpu to be running their natural values.

I'd like to see what this new firmware can do. Thanks

 

huh? We all have TPM 2.0 and 9th gen processors . . .

Standard install using Media Creation Tool from Microsoft. Easy Peezy.

 

Speaks to my ignorance per my previous post

I downloaded the PC Health Check app from Windows Update when it was suggesting an upgrade to Windows 11 to check compatibility and I think it said my PC is not compatible lol. Hence my question!

Thanks bud

 

Maybe that's it? Both of my external monitors I leave "powered on" so they are in sleep mode when the laptop powers on. I'll try this and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

Microsoft just can't stop screw up. And you all will be guinea pig the first year if you install it now. Win 11 will stay a long time in beta phase 1.

Microsoft confirms false “This PC can’t run Windows 11” error

If you have a supported device, but you're seeing the error "This PC doesn't currently meet all the system requirements for Windows 11" on the Windows Update page, you're not alone.

 

I live by the common sense rule to avoid a new Microsoft OS' for about 18 months.

 

And I live by the common sense rule... if it ain't broke, don't fix it

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2019.833196/page-40#post-11123259

 

UGH! Tried your suggestion and no luck.

Anyone else have suggestions?

 

A .bat file that spams (FN-F1) to wake up graphics amplifier set to auto run at startup ?

 

Hey guys. So I have been wondering about my temperatures. I have an i9 9900K and an RTX 2080. I notice that I have to run my fans at full speed in order to stop the laptop from throttling down on the GPU on games even on BIOS 1.5.0. The performance setting is not even cutting it most of the time. I also have a -0,090V Core Voltage Offset which helps a little. I remember a time where I did not need to always run on Full Speed during my gaming sessions. And yes I keep the insides clean. The CPU idles around 55-65 C and while gaming around 85-95 C. GPU on 86 C almost all the time on gaming and 48 C idle.
Is this normal?

 

I run most games on full speed fans to keep temps lower, but those temps do sound higher than I’ve ever seen.

My PC runs hottest with BFV, everything ultra, Raytracing Off. CPU reaches ~97° Celsius, even on full speed fans… GPU has never reached 86° Celsius, on BFV or any other game…

I run mine with -.110 V undervolt on CPU at stock clocks. Hyper threading on (9900K).

GPU is undervolted to 925 mV and overclocked to 1980 MHz, +500 MHz on memory (2080). 200 W VBIOS.

Mind you, I’ve put Fujipoly ultra extreme thermal pads all over, and Phobya Nanogrease Extreme on both CPU and GPU

Your temps definitely sound weird!

 

Check to see if your thermal paste has pumped out. You may need a repaste job.

 

Yeah my thermal paste may be shot. The problem is that one of the screws of the cpu heat pipe area broke while trying to loosen it. More specifically I think the standoff between the motherboard and the laptop chassis broke. So repasting is not an option as the whole thing now does not want to come off. I am somewhat screwed I guess unless I have to take everything out including the motherboard. Do you guys know more? Getting Dell to repair is not an option because the machine is out of warranty and I need the laptop for school stuff. But running heavy tasks on it is getting more difficult as it sometimes shuts down instantly due to overheating.

 

You need a very steady hand and precision tools, you can get the broken screw out… not all is lost.

Look for a mini screw extractor set on Google/Amazon. If the screw head literally broke off, you still can get it out. A mini screw extractor only needs you to pre-drill a very small amount into the existing screw (you need a very small drill bit). Then, using a mini screw extractor bit, you can certainly remove it. Replace it with another compatible screw (you can get one ordered from Dell Support).

I’m guessing the broken screw is to blame. If it’s not doing it’s job; e.g. applying mount pressure so the CPU and GPU make proper contact, the temps will go out of control.

I think you should tear that sucka down and take some pictures of what you see… the community can help man!

If a standoff is broken, you can purchase a whole bottom chassis replacement.

 

Ok so the bottom cover has 6 screws which I want to replace as at least 1 is stripped. Which type are they exactly as the Dell website is vague imo.

 

Message dell support or Alienware support on Twitter, they will get back to you quickly and are usually really good at figuring out part numbers on your behalf, if you provide them pictures…

This is how I’ve had the most luck getting a random screw or small part here and there!

If the bottom cover has 1 stripped screw, that doesn’t sound like it will resolve your real issue (the temps). Inquire about that too… send pics to the community on here to help you.

Is the stripped bottom cover screw preventing you from opening your laptop or something? Even more reason to get a screw extractor set

 

Don't know if anyone cares, but Dell put some Win 11 drivers on the 51m R1 page.
Fixed the AWCC for me.

Cheers

 

I was also having this exact issue for the last few 2080 Nvidia drivers when I was on 1.5.0. I had to bump all my games up to run on full speed fans when I used to use Balanced most of the time. I don't remember it doing it right when I went to 1.5.0 but maybe it did. After installing the new 1.15.1 bios everything went back to normal and I haven't had a throttle that I have noticed in game since.

 

I'm on 1.5, I bumped my VBIOS down to 180w (was on 200) and I used a Windows PS command to limit my CPU to 4500mhz. Now my GPU never goes higher than 81, and my CPU never goes higher than 75. Fans on Balance and almost quite as a mouse. My GPU hangs out around 1800-1900 mhz. Never repasted.

 

Effing Finally! I was just living with it. Hahaha so happy…

 

I haven't had any issues with all the drivers loaded from Windows Update for Windows 11 - only thing I went out of my way to get was the newest Nvidia drivers. I never load AWCC, no reason for it, not very well developed software and hooks a little deeper into BIOS then I like, doesn't uninstall well either. I ended having to fully resinstall Windows in the past to get all the hooks AWCC leaves behind.

 

I am sharing the boardview file and schematics that I purchased in case anyone needs them. This includes pdf schematics for the motherboard and daughter boards and CAD and boardview (brd) file for all of the boards. Boardviewer software can be downloaded for free from Allegro at https://www.cadence.com/ko_KR/home/tools/allegro-downloads-start.html . I used Allegro/OrCAD/SIP/MCM FREE Physical Viewers 17.4 - 615MB as my viewer.
There is also an .xlsx parts list included that details each of the over 2,000 parts contained in the laptop. I hope this might help someone else like it did for my repair project. Good luck and best regards.. -R

Link to .7z file with pdfs,xlsx,brd and cad files: https://mega.nz/file/0xhxwIoC#hRY_nSg9xEWz_m88aQ6gsDthZQUf7YCjGFGwuhkHSSM

 

Holy moly! What a gift to the community! Thanks

 

Hey it's this more Dell spin bullsh*t or can this be in corporate in a software upgrade to our R1?
Anyone tried this stuff in repaste?
Alienware Declassified | X-Series Thermals:

 

lol, unless you can get your hands on the “Element 31” TIM, no.

If you had it you could repaste with it, I suppose.

Everything this guy spoke of is hardware based with the exception of the BIOS “slider” he speaks of to control how much cooling you give to CPU vs GPU…

 

Dell have added several more sensors on the board that speak with EC, drivers and the software How Dell cripple performance explained by.....

As @Virale said. Its HW based (sensors). Less is better.

Why bother? People get better results with the old fashion liquid metal. And the capsule with the hybrid paste is too small to cover an LGA chips.

 

That video is a lesson in hot air and marketing double talk, that guy is dying inside "Thermal Technologist" geez, translation... "Ok you caught us using gobs and gobs of cheap a$$ paste" "Here is another cheap paste with a fancier name, now give us your money and go away"

I really hope there is a special place in hades for the marketing people who write this Drek.

 

Hahaha frankly, I kind of agree… there are reviews out there that speak to how much cooler these new laptops are vs the previous gen… but the truth here is there’s a few things in play… namely: older gen cards usually run hotter and they were in a chassis with the same thickness… also, they were lazy and cheap on TIMs before, and now they decided to put a few extra cents into it… and finally there isn’t a single 3080 out there running at 200W to my knowledge… they cap out at ~165W on the most powerful ones (e.g. thick laptops).

So I’d attribute the majority of these “improvements” to generational efficiency gains, lower max wattage, and generally filling the laptop with more vents/holes vs previous generations than because of the cited “better TIM, better sensors, better software” arguments presented by Dell.

 

Does anyone have any experience in transplanting a healthy RAID 0 array (configured by DELL at build time) in an Area 51M R1 into another identically built Area 51M R1? Does anyone know if the Intel Rapid Storage Technology ROM in the motherboard chipset (formerly called Intel MATRIX RAID) can be accessed with a key combination like ctrl-I or ctrl-L at POST? And, if so, would the foreign RAID array be auto-detected as a Foreign Array that could be imported into the controller ROM on the new machine?

 

I'm getting a popup about Intel Optane unable to load driver notification on windows? It disappears before able to copy and paste here?
How do I get access to copy the notification and is it because Windows not fully updated?

Edit: Seems to be a DLL error

Edit2:: Solution: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/Intel-Optane-Memory-Pinning-error/td-p/7341264

 

I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. Just make sure you take each m.2 and put it into the same slot on the other machine, and preconfigure bios with RAID and UFEI and secure boot, don't try to configure these after inserting the drives, make sure it is set before you turn on with RAID drives.

 

Anyone doing this?
https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-enable-ultimate-performance-power-plan/

 

Scam... @Spartan@HIDevolution http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-redstone-4.813941/page-16#post-10702409

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Edit. See also... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-redstone-4.813941/page-32#post-10724291

 

I bring some good news for once, I got the Windows 11 update from windows update so I decided to try it, I updated my bios since I was already on 1.12 anyway and the alienware command center software that was bugged (no only I couldn't change the lights but also the sound and was going on for some time now). With everything updated I updated to windows 11, and this has solved basically every issue I had with this pc.
- Now I can control the lights and the sound again (those sound profiles can make a difference)
- I had a problem that would crash my windows and force restart every time I updated my GPU drivers through geforce experience and this was running since the day I got this laptop, and now it updates normally without crashes
- the experience is pretty fast and smooth too, maybe even faster than on windows 10
so if you have any doubts on updating to W11, and if you have some problems, I'd say give it a try.

 

I had the opportunity to go to Windows 11 but clicked on stay on Windows 10 as supposedly too many bugs.....How I get that option back or do I wait until prompted?
Edit: I think it's on the right side of setup?

mmmm opened ACC and it started automatically updating..... that's not good right?
Have the option to not update it's V5.4.7.0 14th Oct?

Also "Shi" you can now update 51M tag to windows 11!
Are you able to change your GPU Power Limit and thermal Limit now?

 

The new version is good even if you are on W10, it fixes the FX problem. Also signature updated thanks for reminding me

EDIT: you still need to overwrite di profile.zip with the one that was posted here to access the thermal limit

 

"Overwrite di profile.zip with the one that was posted here to access the thermal limit"

Have you done this and how is it "now" done....Link?

 

You have to copy this folder in C:\Program Files\Alienware\Alienware Command Center\OCControlService and when you are done right click on it and mark "read only", then restart your pc

 

Good day, everyone! I own area 51m for more than 2 years but found this forum only 2 days ago( Had popular here (as I think) issues with throttling too (which I think is unforgivible **** from Dell in such a laptop, maybe somebody will tell me why they did it), but started to suspect smth strange playing Days Gone only a few months ago. Some days searching the problem with constant frame falling I've found video on Youtube about old BIOS and so on and so on...downgraded, G-Sync also stayed and I became happy owner of the best laptop I ever had, just like after pourchasing it.
And now we have a new BIOS from 05/10/2021. Does anybody know is it still throttle-****-BIOS as before or I can update and rise thermal limit to 87 thanks to "profile.zip" and it will be OK?
Thanks everyone for help!

 

For anyone jumping on the Window 11 bandwagon, I found that my machine does not play well with "sleep" I have an external gsync monitor via DP I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but something in the nvidia suite of drivers crashes the computer. If I turn off sleep options I'm fine. I don't mind, I can still let monitor go to sleep but no to the computer. Just in case anyone else finds their machine restarted after they leave it to go to sleep, that is the issue. I though it was the NVIDIA driver but I've tried several old and new, and even reinstalled w11. If you have the issue simply disable "sleep"

 

If you go back a few pages some people were talking about the new BIOS and how it performs.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-2400#post-11122435

 

Can you provide the downgraded link for downgrade that worked and kept g-sync?
Newest BIOS will throttle I believe....
From what I hear and read here is stay on what you have..... especially if no issues currently.

 

Oh I wondered if somehow I exceeded my 64mb RAM memory limit as Google started not enough memory......
I had 5 seperate tabs open... EACH TAB had the following webpages open.....
1. 55 tabs
2. 44 tabs
3. 19 tabs
4. 33 tabs
The 5th I opened 50+ YouTube videos in edit mode but after a period of said "exceeded memory" and did not save my changes on 25 tabs?????

 

so if BIOS 1.05 throttles GPU at 87 degrees, what temp does the new 1.15 throttle at?

 

79/80C

 

So can I put two 2TB SAMSUNG EVO PLUS in this to replace the two 500GB STOCK?
$285AU each
Is that a going rate?

 

Yes, I have a 2gb 970 pice in 1 of the slots in mine.

 

I’m so glad I stayed on bios 1.3.2. My 51m has been great no issues since I purchased it in march 19. Nice to see dell have addressed the issue for those that did upgrade though.

Hoping 51m r3 with alderlake an a 3080ti is in the offering early next year.