*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

If you can afford 2080mq why not get the 2080 in the 51m? In the AW51 you have to either use an older bios or set a custom OC profile with the temperature limit set to 87C. If you do that the 2080 would perform better than the 2080mq and the 2070 would be on par.

 

...so I did the experiment. Removed ihs of my 9900k, removed the indium solder with rockit quicksilver and replaced the original ihs with the rockit copper one. Between die and rockit ihs I used liquid metal in form of conductonaut. To provide maximal pressure on the die I did not glue the rockit ihs which is just held down by the retention machanism. Z-heigt is to my eye pretty similar to the original ihs elevated by black glue and the thick indium solder. Results: no significant improvement in cpu temps which tells us the rockit ihs works but the heat sink system of the 51m is the limiting factor. In the end it was a fun experiment but with no real benefit. GPU temps are also the same, so I don´t think the heatsink was warped by this procedure.

With fans at full and a -120 mV offset at 4700 MHz the CPU reaches 100C in the actual cine bench, the same as before. The cpu exhaust is very warm, so heat transfer from die to exhaust seems to work quiet well. Will experiment further tomorrow. Btw I used kryonaut on gpu and ihs.

 

You sure your 2070 was on par with 2070mq? Even 2070 laptop version is faster then 2080mq according to ntbckcheck graphic card graph. In my country aw51 9700/2070 is similar with price of Msi gs75 with 2080mq that's why I'm asking

 

Battlefield 5 on a AW m17 with 2070q and the 51m with 2070 both averaged 85-95 FPS at 1080p. A tested a MSI stealth with a 2080q and it averaged 120’ish FPS at 1080p.

 

I'm personally not going to update to any new system BIOS from v1.3.2 until they remove the silly 75 C temperature limit for the GPU. I know the downclock doesn't affect frame rates in games at all, but I don't like seeing it being decreased. It's like having a speed limiter set on a very fast sports car. Can't have the thing running at it's full potential.

Thankfully there aren't any major fixes with these new System BIOS', so I don't feel any sudden urges to want to update.

Funny thing actually is that there's quite a few Area-51m owners who are following suit, and not updating to the latest system BIOS neither. Bit pointless of Dell releasing them in the first place then. Maybe they think the average joe won't notice that the new BIOS' hinder the machines performance, I don't know.

Thanks for supporting the Area-51m Dell, but no thanks. I'll stick with V1.3.2 and 200W VBIOS, where I can use the system to it's full potential, with no limits.

You know there's something wrong when whenever a new system BIOS is released, every knowledgeable Area-51m owner wants to avoid it like it's the plague. If it was actually good for the system, they'd waste no time in updating their own systems, and staying on latest up-to-date BIOS, rather than just updating to it, testing it for a bit and then downgrading back to a normal running BIOS that doesn't hinder performance in any way.

Go ahead with optimising the system Dell, but don't limit the performance of either the CPU or GPU in any way during full load, just to decrease temperatures a little bit. It defeats the purpose of this being an high end gaming laptop. No other machines do this.

 

Guys looks like i can't undervolt my RTX2080 with msi afterburner...anynody knows why?

 

I probably won't be able to help, but what issues are you having? You could also give the below a watch from @Mr. Fox to see if that helps?

 

You need to edit the .cfg file to unlock voltage controls, as shown in Mr.Fox's video above. Copy paste the lines under the video description as shown in the guide.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-comet-lake-s-arrives-q1-2020-with-10-cores-and-lga1200-socket

If this is true, i would like to see how Dellienware is going to handle the "upgradeability" off the 51m. Seems like an R2 would be one with the 400 series chipsets. AMD needs to hurry and get it's bussiness toghether cause this is getting out of hand. Bring back the PGA CPU's we used to have, maybe that will re-aweken Intel it's efforts to create a mobile LGA socket, instead of letting OEM's hack their own sockets togheter.

 

This upgrade is pointless to us anyways, our system cannot handle a 10 core 10 thread cpu without downclocking the hell out of it. It barely handles the 9700/9900. Also this doesn’t come till Q1 2020 so dell has plenty of time to figure it out lol

 

Well maybe it can't handle an Intel variant, but the 12 core 24 thread AMD CPU should run easily in a laptop. Especially when it uses less wattage than the competitor while having more core's.

Well that's true, but looking at how many DGFF cards already have blown i wouldn't trust Dell with R&D. Especially when they release firmware to throttle the system after a certain temperature point.

Clevo's can run 2 1080's off 150 watts easily which is already almost the total board power (TBP) of the 51m. and they're still able to cool an OC'd CPU. The 51m struggles because they did not use vapor chamber cooling to ensure the whole boards gets cooled. Clevo uses vapor chamber cooling for the last two or three years, which shows is reflected in temperature's and sustained performance.

The last time i checked, AW struggled to release a 2666mhz bios, so i wouldn't trust no self made socket by Dell especially when i have to put in a 500+ dollar CPU. They Thought MXM was dead, while there are MXM 2080 running 190 watt. At least they can brag though but they played themselfs and their customers.

People have been shouting for the last 4 or 5 years that MXM is dead (because it takes longer to create an GPU that needs to sit on a small PCB where as the desktop components usually are dual slot designs, so much easier to produce) yet this year you can buy an Eurocom/Clevo rtx 2080.

 

Good option if one doesn't care about overclocking, as Ryzen CPUs (and AMD GPUs) don't overclock very well. But, great option for anyone that just wants to run it stock, or with a very tiny ~100-200MHz overclock.

 

It seems that the 9900KS will be the last hurrah for z370/z390 then?

 

Thank you guys looks like i finally solved it! I was following another afterburner tutorial but wasn't working. Thanks a lot!!


Edit : I tried to raise the 925 curve with a clock of 1900mhz but when i do open the division 2, my screen started to flicker, so i went back to stock settings...

 

You will need to test what clocks are possible at a given voltage.

Easy way of doing this is to have Heaven Benchmark running on loop, while you test voltage/curve settings to validate that it doesn't crash under real 3D load. Remember to lock the voltage in place by hitting L.

 

Bro, please check your email.

 

There are different versions of the 2080 Max-q. That's why some are faster than others. There are 80w and 90w versions. The 90w versions will be closer to a full RTX 2070. However the Razer Blade Pro has a 100w 2080 Max-q and it is faster than a RTX 2070. But if you overclock a 2070 you'd come out on top again.

If power is all you care about and size doesn't matter then get the Area 51m. If you want portability and want the best bang for the buck then the Razer Blade Pro with the 2070 max-q is the best price to performance. Their RTX 2070 Max-q also runs at 100w making it match the 2080 Max-q 90w in most cases.

 

You mean or think 12 cores AMD chips along with the graphics will run colder in the Area-51m who have a shared heatsink system? A brand new Cooling with Vapor chamber is needed. Not the fake Vapor Chamber cold plate on the heatsink Dell bragged about last years AW models. And the new AMD chipset will need active cooling as well. 3 or 4 times the power consumption vs. Intels latest chipset.

Spoiler: Power consumption

 

After reading about the 35W 9900T I directly thought of Area 51M !!!! I find the 9900T performance absolutely incredible

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...performance-to-the-Core-i7-8700.431233.0.html

 

Yes, but it’s not an upgrade at all. I have never seen a 9900K that can’t clock to 5ghz. The only thing the KS will offer is slightly better voltages due to being binned.

 

I have been trying, to no avail, to get my windows 7 box to file share with my 51m windows 10/1903 box. They see each other on the network. They both have shares. Both are set to public network. I even turn off the windows firewall on the windows 7 box to see if that made a difference. Nope. Both are set with same workgroup name. And both have the same date and time. The windows 7 box was part of a home group, but I left it. But it still shows home group on the windows 7 box network page. Both are set for no password sharing. Both share are set for Everyone to access, but I could not figure out how to add the other box to the security tab from the sharing tab of the share's properties.

I get a You do not have permission to access this location error on the shared drive of the other box.

I have spent a couple days on this already. None of the searchable solution on the net have helped. I am pretty sure i need to add each box to the others users access but I an not sure how to do this. That is my next research project. This would be easier if microsh!t did not remove home group from winblows 10. Man do I ever hate microsh!t. Anyone want to start a class action lawsuit?

@Mr. Fox @Ultra Male any ideas?

 

Indeed. Perhaps it might not even be worth it, or we might be pleasantly surprised. We'll just have to wait on some real numbers and see how well binned voltage curve is.

 

Firstly, set them both to private network, if you're at home why would you set them to Public?

then ensure you have your Networking settings like this:





Then ensure you assign the "Everyone" group to the folder you are wanting to share for ease of access otherwise you will need to type in a username/pass every time you want to access that folder.

 

I be damned! This worked! I think the key element was sharing the individual directory(s). It is a slight work around though. I was trying to share the whole drive. But it works, and it's a start.

THANK YOU!!

 

You can access the whole drive from it's administrative share. Eg \\devicename\c$ or \\devicename\e$ just append a dollar to the drive letter.

 

I'm assuming that because this is a network path name it is done on the client side as the share is the server. Where is this typed in to?

 

Just go down to the search bar and type \\thecomputername\c$

Or d$ if it’s the s drive

 

This did not work. It prompted me for a password and user name.

 

Put the username and password of the machine your trying to connect to.

 

Also set this to "disabled" in Group Policy.



Right-click the drive you want to share, select Properties. Go to the Sharing tab, select Advanced Sharing, Permissions to share the whole drive with "Everyone" and give full control, then you won't have to worry about sharing individual folders.

 

So did anyone try BIOS 1.7.2 to see whether it has the same retarded throttling as 1.6.2?

 

Someone tried it a few pages back and reported the same throttling scenario... so, I think we are stuck with a throttling BIOS henceforth!

Sent from a Galaxy S9+

 

So they just fixed the " Maintence" typo that I reported 2 months back! Nice one Dell! We are all thrilled!

 

I knew you would be happy The new bios update 1.7.2 was so important that Dell even pushed it out to Microsoft (Win Update servers) before they released it on own web support page.

 

Its Monday, and no one has mentioned Clevo all weekend, so...

Did you guys know Clevo uses a vapor system that channels frost from melting glaciars to super chill? Plus its screen has IMAX certification....

Hehehehe.....

 

Tried it out, throttles at 75C. If you use AWCC stutter occurs in adition. So no improvement aside that g-sync is working properly with this bios (Chi Mei panel). Went back to 1.5.0 which has the max temp target at 86C. As I don´t really need g-sync with my 144Hz panel I have no problem staying on 1.5.0, however if a throttle bios comes out that supports 2666 MHz DDR4 some will be in a dilemma.

Which Clevo are you talking about exactly??

I still own a P870DM3 with vapor chamber cooling but side by side its style looks sooo outdated compared to the 51m.

 

Comedy...its...comedy...

Since the last one worked....and its still awfully quit around here. ...

Did anyone else hear that MSI has a new warranty they pay you to get, and includes on site repairs AND a masseuse named Jock or Jocelyn (your choice)? Dell realllly need to step it up.

Received delivery notification for tomorrow. Excited to see how terrible performance will be compared to my mid 90s PalmPilot. Actually it was a handspring, in translucent blue. But themally its got it all over the 51M

 

Guys, can someone point me out how to downgrade my bios ? my 51 is throttling every 5 minutes to 300 mhz in game its driving me crazy im on bios 1.5.4

 

Check out the below
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ny-alienware-to-locked-lower-versions.829542/

 

So my unit got a new
Panel and it’s the CMN175F. This is the best panel by far out of the 3 that I have had. Much brighter and amazing colors. I had no clue chi mei made panels for the 51m; and yes it supports gsync.

 

The Group Policy thing made the whole drive available but it was somewhat different in Windows 7.

Thank You Mr.Fox!

I already had the "Everyone" group selected. I wonder what security issues I have opened up with all of this.

 

how many watts can be managed with reasonable temperatures on the cpu side with the 7 pipe heat sink?

 

How do you determine the panel type?

 

Device manager, select the generic monitor and right click for properties. In the drop down select hardware ID. Panel model will be there

 

Thanks, found it, I also have a CMN175F

 

Nice, it’s defintely nicer than the LG and AUO panels I have tried

 

If you are the only user of the machine and you're on a secure network, I'd say nothing worth losing any sleep over.

 

Yes my new gsync chi panel is better than my already great AUO was.!

 

@S.K
I tried to update the driver for my samsung 970 evo plus nvme to the samsung driver and the installer tells me an nvme device is not connected. The device manager says it is installed. And it show up in the bios too.

How do I fix this?

NVM, I found the issue. In the bios. Sata operation, set to raid. The driver will not install like this. This needs to be set to AHCI not raid. Thanks dell!

 

because your bios is in RAID mode.