*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

nVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 VBIOS v1.0.0.1

Fixes & Enhancements
- Optimizes GPU performance and thermal behavior of system.

 

Does anyone know, if gsync has to be enabled on both the panel as well as the motherboard or if you currently have a gsync enabled motherboard (m51) will slotting in 1 of the panels auo, LG and chi m that comes with this model be sufficient an gsync work - basically I have the m51 but want to swap the current panel for the chi meu eye safe panel from a non gsync machine

 

@Papusan @Ultra Male That awkward moment when HP puts a better rtx 2080 vrm design into a bga system which is actively cooled via heatpipes

Alienware area 51m:



HP Omen 17 2019:



Dell should take notice for the aw 51m r2 so users don’t have to have a fire extinguisher next to their laptops

Oh BTW, if you don’t see the difference the alienware has a set of 6 mosfets in a 5+1 ratio, 5 being for the core and 1 for the vram. MEANWHILE, the hp has a set of 8 mosfets in a 6+2 ratio, 6 being for the core (thank you hp) and 2 being for the vram.

Both use the same ncp303150 mosfets, but you already know which one will be the surviver under heavy loads, hell I could run the 200W tdp on this beast of an omen instead of the measly 160w. Temps only get to a max of 75c with thermal paste!

Conclusion: dell hire some hp employees, so you don’t keep embarrassing yourselves

 

Dell used to be better in this regard, seems HP have learned hard lessons from their past. Hopefully Dell improve things with the next gen of DGFF (if they even stick with the format).

 

Perhaps new throttle point? lol

 

Ever since the last bios update, my undervolt resets after reboot. (Intel XTU)
Anyone knows why, or someone else who has this?

 

Oh yeah... the hybrid drive only gets faster after a few reboots... it’s a slow drive overall by today’s standards, but gets fairly snappy with whatever you use from it frequently, as it will cache it on the flash storage.

You’re on the right track! Let me know how you’re doing and I can try to help throughout if you hit any snags.

 

Going to try this now along with bios 1.7.2

 

with bios 1.7.2? are you sure about this? :-/
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On bios 1.7.2 and new 2070 vbios. Same overclocks and I hit 23K GPU score in firestrike, which is close to many manufacturers stock 2080 GPU scores, lol. I couldn’t hit 23K before so maybe the vbios helped

 

Actually what has happened. Faster today then last night for sure

Anything I need to do to the M2 prior to cloning? Its bootable as is..

Thank you for your help again...

 

Nothing special that you need to do with the M2 NVME drive. If it’s Samsung (which I think it was?) just ensure that you’re working with it with the Samsung NVME driver. It’s under storage controllers in Device Manager. Once you’re sure it’s being controlled by Samsung’s driver, you’re ready to do the cloning. At this point, open Macrium Reflect and clone your Hybrid drive to your NVME.

My NVME was the same size as my Hybrid, so I didn’t move any partitions around. If your NVME is larger, I would suggest that you put the Windows partition all the way to the right or to the left, this will allow you to extend the partition normally, without having to convert it to a dynamic disk. Let me know if that made sense.

Clone away!!! Then follow the instructions from one of my previous posts.

 

Have you checked max Gpu power consumption (Hwinfo) from your 2070? If you have old screenshoots... Compare them.

 

Its an EVO plus (500 g ) so half the size of the hybrid.

I'm installing magician and the driver as I type.

 

Ok cool! So you will have to clone your hybrid's partitions exactly the same to the NVME, with the exception of the Windows partition. It will have to be made smaller so it fits. Select all other partitions to clone first, and select the Windows OS partition last and make it as large as you can (with whatever space is left).

Keep me updated!

 

Confirmed the samsung driver is installed with magician and device manager.

For macrium do I use "clone" or "image"?

 

Clone! You will select all the partitions to clone them, the only thing That will be different is that you will have to reduce the size of the OS partition to fit, so select this one last (since your NVME is smaller).

 

Going to try the new vbios right now as well. Do you use the slider to OC or the graph?

So far I've seen a max of 133W with the new vbios, unfortunately I'm not sure what the max before the vbios was.

 

I might have gone with the HP Omen, but they were not using nvidia RTX graphics when I was shopping. I'm replying to this post on a ten year old 17.3 HP entertainment laptop.

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I tried the new 2070 vbios by itself and didn't notice much difference in terms of performance (firestrike), maybe slightly higher GPU score but nothing too noticeable. Decided to try the new vbios with 1.7.2 bios as well (from 1.5.0) and didn't notice any difference there either.

It does seem that I'm getting less FPS in Destiny 2 though, so to confirm this I'm going to go back to 1.5.0 and record my fps again.

I know this question has been asked over and over, but what's the simplest way to revert back to 1.5.0 from 1.7.2 bios?

Can I simply click the 1.5.0 .exe file and run it?

 

Go for it you’ll love it, this comes from a Clevo and Alienware fan. I can’t fault the omen, amazing screen, top notch performance, rtx 2080 is 150w tdp about 5-8% slower than a aw 51m (a 100mhz overclock on the core makes up for that easily), actually good speakers (who would have thought lol) good thermals and surprisingly light and sturdy.

Check the reviews of this laptop, HP are onto something good this year. They outdone Lenovo who’s been dominating the cheap good gaming laptop sector for a while now...

I just can’t believe a business type company HP actually made a gaming laptop that has set standards, lol it’s just unheard of.

 

Just saw this on YouTube, oh. My. Lord. This is why I never let home tech support swap my parts, I always do it myself while they watch

 

What an idiot. I'd have stopped recording and just told the guy to leave. That hurts to watch.

 

WOW! I think I would have went to jail after beating him like a red headed step child.

 

Attached what I'm seeing when I select add boot option.....

Cloning done, I'm back into bios for boot order....am I correct I should select Pci/PCI option bottomn choice to boot to the M2?

Apologies for what's probably an obvious one..this is very different from my last two systems

 

The HP omen 17t is definitely a great laptop no doubt about that. But from the reviews I read and testing: the case and keyboard in particular run anywhere from 10-15 C degrees hotter, stock for stock runs 15-20% less in firestrike about 10 fps less in some games. According to one review, the i9-9880H in the model they had was throttling to 2.1 Ghz in testing. Great laptop but not without it's own issues.

I personally don't think there is such thing as a perfect gaming laptop. Pick one that makes you go wow when you open it LOL.

 

What temp were people saying 1.6.0 and above bios was causing drastic drops in fps, was it 75C or 76C? I can't seem to get my 2070 above 75C, even with furmark (yes I know, terrible choice but I wanted to test this myself since I'm on 1.7.2 now and nothing will make my GPU get to above 75..

 

I still have a 4790k and 2x 680's in SLI running just fine...lol

 

Yes.

Click File Browser Add Boot Option > select the PCI option > navigate into EFI > Boot > and select bootx64.efi > input a name for your boot option (I named mine NVMe).

Then on Boot Option Priorities, move the NVMe option you just created to be Boot Option #1.

After that, check which drive is Priority 1. There is no way to change the priority, so you’ll have to do what I had been describing of disconnecting the hybrid, booting, checking your NVMe is the primary, then reconnecting the hybrid drive. I was going off of memory and took a picture. Your BIOS should look similar to mine. I’m actually thinking it was Windows that kept thinking my hybrid drive was drive 0 and the NVMe drive 1, it wasn’t until I disconnected and booted into Windows with only the NVMe connected that it flipped.

There are no silly questions! This took me a while to figure out lol.

Let me know how it goes!

 

I'll try it tommorow...Can't thank you enough!

 

My issue with these new laptops is that they are all deeper than everything else. My GT75 is roughly 12" and I use the Everki Lunar (roughly 13" deep, I also add a High Density Foam piece on the bottom as I have already broken a corner off. Looks like neither this or the GT76 Titan will fit in my bag.

They seem to be gravitating towards more "Junk in the Trunk" (Behind the Monitor hinges) approach. Being that I deploy for up to 21days a month I am either flying or driving to the Port. Driving will be somewhat easier but flying will make me have to redo my entire carryon for one of these newer "box with a lid" models. I literally put the laptop in the Everki, then put that in one side of my carryon, with the power stuff underneath. Yeah I know the Lunar has a passthrough but it make the carryon WAY top heavy.

 

This mess started due people wanted thinner Apple similar Gaming Jokebooks. Give a huge thanks to thin and slim sickness and or engineers who think they know what you want. And this have escalated due narrow bezel. Todays 17,3 inc laptops is in short not much wider than yesterdays 15,6 models.

See... Narrow bezels force bigger depth, as well will the shrinked thickness... This move is needed to be able to have same or similar cooling capacity as today. Would you prefer worse cooling for portability or and better look? The depth should be greater not smaller or as today. You can't put in more powerful cooling in a pancake chassis. We need better cooling.... Not worse.

 

Yeah I can see the narrow bezel reducing the overall width. My beef is it will cause me to rethink my ENTIRE mode of transporting them when I deploy. As it is now everything has its place and fits without a struggle. Only downside is when I fly and get a regional jet and they get anal about the carry on, I have to pull the GT75 out and then carry it on the plane(while still in the Everki), while the power bricks get bounced around under the plane. The Area51 may not even fit in the carry on now.

Don't want to derail the thread to much.

 

You should have a good look at the hp omen 17, one of the few laptops left that don’t have cooling junk behind the screen, it is slim in size and somehow maintains good cooling on the gpu side by default and cpu side with -100mv + undervolting, no idea how they did it, the fans are absolutely huge inside though meaning more fins for airflow, so that has something to do with it. Has nice design, not too much rgb and looks more like a professional laptop than a ‘attention seekers’ laptop.
Only has one power supply but the 330w power supply is absolutely huge, the space of both Alienware 330w and 180w combined!

 

I would just get another GT75 with the upgraded parts.

 

IT WORKED!!! Fast and no glitches.

Thank you. I greatly appreciate the time you spent on this with me.

 

Have you managed to do any benchmark comparisons between your A51m and the Omen?

 

Need to, using my GT83 atm trying to complete tom clancy's wildlands, I'm literally hooked lol. Once completed I'll test out the omen fully and give this community some results to compare with. Remember the Omen has a core clock of 1380mhz on the rtx 2080 and a tdp of 150w whilst the Alienware Area 51M has a core clock of 1575mhz and a usual vbios tdp of 200w although many would have stuck with 190w.

From initial benches I'm getting exact the same benches as the alienware 51m whilst the rtx gpu is using 40w less. Boost clocks increase once the temps are as low as 70c at max.


Here is a random bench I did on startup to give me a baseline to improve upon. I'm gonna be making the gpu go off the charts just like I did with the clevo



Here are some comparisons of the heatsinks and fans.

Alienware Area 51M:




HP Omen 17 2019:



As you can see the HP is packing some T H I C C heatpipes. Those fans are the exact size of a blower cooler fan on a rx 5700 xt, so now you understand how huge the fans are, the probably have more pulling power than the alienware fans whilst being slightly bigger.

 

Of course it worked man!!! It was a friggin' odyssey for me... I figured it out with trial and error. Why the hell it isn’t easier is beyond me!!!

I’m really glad you’re flying now haha! ENJOY!!! Install some friggin’ games and start enjoying this beast!

 

When they start burning down houses, cars and leaving an Alien faced pattern burn on people's extremities, AW will be banned from travel...lol

you doin checking a laptop? I cant even check a flashlight with cr123's without someone having a cow...

I used to carry my GT75 in a carryon rollerbag with a HDF(like my gun cases) panel that held it in the case nicely. TSA was like "that's cool", gate agents got pissy and quoted regulations about carryons, smart bags, electronics blah blah when they "tried" to make me gate check when boarding dinky regional jets.

 

I miss the old bios, that automatically picked up your new drive and made it easy to switch boot order.

Gonna be a weekend if gaming!

 

I’m on 1.3.2, which one are you on?

Happy gaming!

 

Are there any benchmarks comparing the thermal performance of 65W vs 95W CPUs. I have read conflicting opinions on whether or not the 65W will actually run cooler.

CPU running at 70-80 Celsius while gaming is really high, most desktops with adequate cooling will run below 60 Celsius while gaming.

Would a 45W unlocked HK CPU not be ideal for this chassis? It seems like even 65W is too high for a laptop.

Also, would using the graphics amplifier help improve thermal performance?

And does graphics amplifier with 2080 perform better than the laptop 2080 or PCI 4x bottleneck it to negligible performance improvement?

 

70 - 80 degrees for i.e. a 9900K in a notebook is not bad in my opinion. my 9900k @4.8 allcore runs at around 70 to really low 80 (spikes) while under load. hell my 9900X @ 4.9ghz in my dual-custom-loop workstation even runs at around 70 - 80 degrees when under load... so it's a matter of prospective. also, a cpu that runs @70 - 80degrees under load will be outdated and replaced by a newer one long before it dies a thermal death ;-)

imo.


concerning the graphic amp there were some posts a few pages back.​

 

Run Need For Speed Payback for half an hour or so and then tell us what's the temp your 9900K runs at.

The fans may "look" bigger but the vents are only on the back side while alienware vents are both on the back and on the sides. Omen's thermals are just OK, far from great. Plus, Omen doesn't even come anywhere close to the level of performance that Area 51m delivers. No comparison here.
P.S., Area 51m fans are quite powerful. When you set them on full speed, they sound like a turbine.

 

considering buying the area 51m and would like to know which cpu will get the best performance.

also considering a graphics amplifier to improve performance.

 

9900K is the performance champ until 9900KS comes out.

 

K cpus will have higher performance but also higher heat from what I have read.

Any benchmarks comparing the K and non-K with the area 51m would be helpful

 

hmm, if one gets a different cpu than at least a 9700k for this machine, it's like buying a ferrari and stuffing a fiat panda engine in it

 

It strictly depends upon what you want to do with the CPU. They are hotter, yes. But nothing else from Intel right now in the market comes close to the performance that they can deliver. Area 51m can easily handle 9900K under full load without throttling for real life loads for extended periods of time (tested for straight 12 days and 12 nights with 100% flat CPU usage in my case).