*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Benchmarks comparing the CPUs would be ideal for settling this debate as everyone seems to have differing experiences with the CPUs.

I may end up waiting for 10th or 11th gen 10nm and nvidias next gen die shrink.

One main deterring factor for buying the Area 51m currently is the limited number of video output options for multi-monitor setups. Only a display port and an hdmi 2.0? Desktop 2080s have 3x display ports + 1 hdmi + 1 usb c for VR.

Most gaming monitors rely on displayport and few utilize hdmi 2.0 so the area 51m is not not well equipped for multi-monitor setups.

And while the thunderbolt 3.0 has displayport alt mode, the only cables that support this are all 1.5m maximum length and also it is not clear whether the displayport alt mode is running off the gpu or the cpu integrated graphics.

Also, maybe the refresh will find a way to just have 1 power adapter as the 2 are pretty annoying but not deal breakers. The main deal breaker is the limited number of video outputs for multi monitor and also the 14nm 9th gen is now a dinosaur compared to Ryzen 2 7nm.

 

You can't be making that comparison. Running and 9700k or 9900k in a laptop is going to run hot. A desktop ((even a small mini itx case)) has alot more cooling capacity than the Area 51m. So if the 9900k or 9700k is running 70-80 degrees while gaming? That's amazing temps. Especially for the 9900k. Though I don't think I've seen them that low?

 

Ofcoarse you can compare the cpu temperature of 9700 and 9700K running the same tests on the 51m.

 

Hi,

Anyone who has a i9700K that can tell me how is their temp under full load?

Since AWCC is not working on my 51M I can't adapt the fan profile to high demanding games, I am wondering if I should be concerned by my high CPU temp, in a demanding game temp often reach 85c, AC Odyssey that use 100% of the CPU constantly push my temp above 90c, with spikes at 100c . The CPU does not throttle though and the laptop behave normally. Although I have noticed that since I removed AWCC the fans seem not blowing as strong as before (less noisy), I wanted to have a custom fan profile but neither HWMonitor or fanspeed are detecting my fans and I haven't find a way to increase them with another software...

 

Benchmarks are synthetic and mostly unreal loads. I mentioned the term "real life loads" in my comments. As far as display ports go, you can use a splitter to connect multiple monitors to the mini display port. I have 3 monitors connected to my Area 51m, 2 via display port and 1 via HDMI port. I could connect 2 or even more via thunderbolt as well but it's not practical to have this many monitors connected to the same machine unless it's a studio environment.

And, with proper thermal paste and thermal pad job, 9900K can easily run below 80 for practically all loads other than cinebench which is a synthetic load. You can undervolt on top of that to drive the temps down even further.

It works quite nicely. If yours broke, you can wipe it clean and re-install from scratch. Use revo uninstaller to get rid of the old one and run a full registry clean via any good registry cleaner to get rid of all the orphan keys/values from the registry before going ahead with fresh install. It should work. There is no reason for it to not work (unless you are on Windows 10 latest build which is just a pile of bugs).

 

I have all Windows update installed, I try many thinks to make AWCC work including contacting Dell support but no luck. There are many people that report issues with AWCC, it is a software problem that they need to address.

Meanwhile my question stand, what is the temp on stock i79700k at full load?

 

Gameplay benchmarks, adobe rendering, stress tests, etc. These would all be useful to compare cpu temp results between using stock 9700 and stock 9700k 51ms.

Splitters are no good for multi 1440p 144hz and higher.

Also, it is not specified whether the thunderbolt display port alt mode uses integrated intel graphics or the nvidia.

The graphics card should have atleast two mini display ports + hdmi 2.0 and usb type c VR connection. Ideally there would be 3x mini display ports.

I will most likely be waiting for the refresh for the following reasons:

Non Deal Breaker Design Fails:
1) No spacing between keyboard keys
2) Dual Power Bricks
3) Lack of 10 GbE (this may be pci lane limitation since intel is pretty cheap with pci lanes compared to AMD)

Deal Breaker Design Fails:
1) Limited Video Output Options

 

So is the consensus to keep the 2080 from throttling to use the 1.5.0 system BIOS and the 1.0.0.3 vbios? My 9900k/2080 is dropping frames in Rainbow 6 Siege.

 

my silicon lottery 9900k in my 51m is doing just that



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Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a lottery chip...

 

i wanted one for a long time amd finally got one, totally worth it


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Well, that´s what I´m doing. Only downside: gsync is broken when using the chi mei panel.

 

Have u uninstalled C++ 2017 ?

Any bios for gpu is fine as long as ur on 1.5.0

 

1.5.4

 

Get a few more to cover up the yellow spots.

 

I believe it has something to do with turning on certain cpu functions in bios (cstate, speedboost etc.) but Alienware bios doesn't allow access to these functions. This motherboard being a replacement and all. What is your guys thoughts?

 

Eeeeeewwwww! Throttling!!! Go back to 1.5.0 dude!!!

 

Thats my plan... but do the 2070z throttle?

 

Lol, my bad. I’m on a 2080 that throttles starting from 1.5.4. Dunno about the 2070.

 

I’m on the latest bios and do not see any throttling with the 2070. Running the new vbios as well.

 

Looks WAY heavy on the blue spectrum.

 

Not to burst your bubble but you should go for a desktop machine instead. The list that you have mentioned here doesn't seem to be coming in any laptop as powerful as Area 51m anytime soon.
By the way, Keyboard is awesome! I wonder why you are having issues with it. I can easily maintain a nice 150+ wpm on my machine and that tactile bump is quite satisfying. As far as dual bricks go, there is no way around it due to in-flight power limitations for power bricks. And for 10 GbE, I agree. It would have been nice, but I could care less since I have moved on to WiFi 6.0 card on mine.

Regarding your limited video port concern, it'd be actually nice to have multiple high speed mini display ports in the future but I am content with what I have right now. You could try those 144Hz splitters out if you want to connect multiple 144Hz monitors.

 

unfortunately expected

 

So when will the new Alienware DGFF Quadro RTX 6000 graphics card come out and how much will it cost?

 

I doubt it will be in either the Precision 7740 or Alienware Area 51m. Neither DGFF card has space for a 384-bit memory interface (12 physical chips). It will likely be BGA only unfortunately. It would be great to be proven wrong though!

 

Yes, desktop seems to be the way to go.

Keyboard may have differing opinions, even though most of the new gaming laptops have spacing between the keys these days.

Maybe I will just wait for alienware to make a 24" laptop with super cooling solution and full sized keyboard. Who really opens up a 51m on an airplane or coffee shop anyway? These are obviously meant to be desktop replacements so might as well make them useful without an external monitor since 17" is pretty much useless for anything more than web browsing and word processing.

 

I open it daily at starbucks these days to check my e-mail and play some games while downing my latte. No bricks needed.

 

So, you'll wait for AW to make a 24" laptop with a full sized keyboard?

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Thanks for the chuckle mate!



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have u sold the other laptop ?

 

Obviously the industry would rather maintain the status quo which is why it will make more sense to stick with desktop and a $1500 gaming laptop, for $5000 you can build a portable itx rig that does not get past 60 C even on a stress test and also buy a laptop to check emails and browse the internet.

Truth is laptop sales have gone down massively as most people are buying desktops and phones.

IMO the laptop industry needs more innovation and 24" gaming laptop/desktop replacement with amazing thermals would be ideal for pro gamers and content creators.

Who really plays games on a 15" or 17" screen? Most people who own a 51M probably have it connected to an external monitor.

 

I don't think the comparison between a laptop and a desktop will ever be fair.

 

That is a good point, however the 51m and other similar large form factor gaming laptops are mostly intended to be desktop replacements.

Roccat Sova lapboard is about 25" long x 11" wide
24" monitor is about 22" long x 13" wide

Alienware could easily make 24" gaming laptop with a lightweight OLED screen. With all that space there would be room for amazing thermals, large battery, and the 10-15 pounds would be spread over a large surface area to keep it reasonably portable and comfortable.

The 24" screen could also be detachable so the computer can be placed on a desk and connected to external monitor setup as desktop replacement or used on the couch as a lapboard for bigscreen tv.

Someone send this post to Alienware or Razer so they can demo a prototype at CES and this could easily become industry standard gaming laptop/desktop replacement.

 

Agreed - but this is a "purpose" it doesn't automatically mean that the price should be the same/similar, I think the reasons are very simple, desktops are very streamlined/standardized in terms of the suit of components contained, laptops are not, each manufacturer is building his own stuff, this involve a higher cost.

Example MXM3.0b was a standard, and now that is not there anymore .... I have upgraded a few times my laptops with components, but is usually under same generation. (desktop is up to 2-3 generations)

Again, I don't try to defend Dell, I got screwed more than 1 time with their product, but the others are not "perfect" either ... (ex. my Clevo that had issues)

Overall is a desktop better than a laptop, well ... it depends:

1. do you want portability - then answer is no
2. do you want to have a low volume of space utilized by your computer - then no again
3. do you want a better price/performance ratio ... then definitely yes

(I did some calculation in the past, not 100 % if is still valid with the current prices of components, but a laptop was almost 2x more expensive than a desktop with the same performance)

So if you only want only one (laptop/desktop) ... of course you need to take the correct approach for what suits your needs if you can have both ... then you can have best of both worlds

 

@Papusan

My tweet to Alienware Support:

Let's see what they say

 

24" laptop? Are you high? At that point it's clearly not portable at all (which is the entire purpose of laptops) so why even bother? People already complain that these 'desktop replacement laptops' are too heavy at 9lbs, can you imagine what a 24" laptop would realistically weigh? Who's even the market for something like that? I can see maybe a 19", or 21" sized laptop (Predator 21X) being somewhat feasible but good luck bringing something like that anywhere.

I guess it just seems like an absurd idea to me but to each their own lol.

 

What would perform better in games? Do you guys have an estimation on how much?
Area 51M i7 9700K + RTX 2080
or
XPS 15 i7 9750H + RTX 2080 (thunderbolt 3 external enclosure).

 

If they come with same useless answers, then you should post my reply above You could of course put in this link in your next tweet... https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/driver-update-security-vulnerability-august-2019

 

Their response:

My response:

Their response:

Classical Dell Swiss Cheese

 

Whom are you tweeting? Dell/Alienware support? Wasted time, bruh. You need to tweet Umar, Ernie or Eddy. Maybe they will ask own Aw support team, LOOL

 

those 3 musketeers are useless, they just post about games and nonsense

 

They are still the top dogs at AW after Azor left the ship. I mean Eddy should know as he seems to halfway know their products

 

Area 51M, obviously. The XPS 15 cooling is basically rather weak so the CPU would be thermally throttled if pushed, while the TB3 is pretty bad for external GPU's (as the GPU takes like 20-25% performance hit compared to desktop and sometimes even more from what I've seen in various reviews).

Given the abysmal TB3 performance, I'm quite surprised that no other company besides Alienware went with a direct PCI-E connection for the external GPU enclosures.

So, it would be much better if you could live with one of the Alienware thin and lights (e.g. m15 or m17). Not that their CPU cooling is great, but at least you won't pay for the 2080 card and get 2060 level performance. But, if you do go with these unfortunate m15/m17 R2's, keep in mind that their RAM is soldered(!?) so choose wisely.

 

Is there anything preventing you from installing the nvidia driver proposed by the Geforce experience app? I have installed all updates has they come on my 51M and did not had issue, I was not even aware that Dell app was supposed to propose me the updates.

 

Perhaps the update from GeForce Experience may have went fine but I actually only like doing clean installs of drivers using Display Driver Uninstaller and when I try to do a clean install, only the Graphics Driver gets installed and other components fail. If I try again they will install, but I just feel there is something fishy about this and I want Dell to give us a proper update it is not acceptable that a flagship model's graphics drivers are 5 months old especially with the release of a totally new Windows 10 Build which is 1903.

 

Jeez... sub-par at best.

 

Uh Apparently you don't fly much....

So you would lug said itx case, keyboard, mouse, headphones, mouse mat and a monitor around?

 

I never understand why people try to make a mini-itx argument when it needs mouse, keyboard, speakers, monitor, and then you have the tower.

Seriously my Area-51m is literally almost as portable as my macbook pro. The difference is one is slightly larger and heavier. It still fits in my backpack, I can take it anywhere.

And I get 2 hours of battery life should I need to use it without an outlet at school or something.

 

and after all that you still have room for a Fire Extinguisher!

 

I must have gotten lucky, my first batch Area-51m still going strong. *knocks on wood*