*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

I only just found out that telemetrics cannot properly be disabled on less than enterprise/education and had assumed Pro was better than home.

The poster who said it takes many hours is true, next time I lockdown I must remember to try and back it up. Can never truly trust it though

 

That's why I have my desktop in multi-boot. I don't have enough drive bays to do it with the MECH-15, but I have always done this in the past with my laptops as well.

I have W7 and W10 LTSC all locked down tighter than a gnat's butt in the winter, no updates allowed, no Cortana crap and running like greased lightning, no security software of any kind installed and zero issues without the corruption that comes with allowing the Redmond Retards to play digi-god. Then I have the latest W10 Enterprise (currently 1909) as the disposable crash test dummy OS with all of the worthless filth enabled. All are imaged as a clean install.

 

I'll have to redo my Win 10 Pro install, I just dread doing it because it can take up a whole weekend to get it up to code. I'd much rather be benching than forced to fiddle with Windows 10 every month.

Is the Enterprise license worth getting compared to Pro?

 

Depends. Regular Enterprise has a few features Pro does not have that are primary for use in a corporate domain. It's a little better, but probably only worth buying up front. If you already have Pro, not so much.

However, Enterprise LTSC 2019, yes... definitely worth it. You can get it on eBay really cheap. It has no Windows Store, no Cortana, no UWP apps, no Edge browser... TOTALLY stripped down. It does have Defender AV and Firewall, but that's it. It requires no ISO modding, just your typical killing of some unnecessary garbage services and group policy tweak that all versions (including W7) require.

Nice thing about LTSC... if you have Updates enabled you only get the security crap. No feature changes or version updates. Many similarities to W7... hardly any nonense involved. Made for hardcore Corporate IT admins that will not tolerate any foolish crap from their PC fleet.

The down side to LTSC (and the ONLY one) is if you want to play any XBOX games on Windows, you're screwed if it requires the latest version of their cancer. Example is Gears 5. I can only install it on 1903-1909. You can manually install Store and XBOX on LTSC, but LTSC 2019 build is not new enough to allow running the latest games.

 

Telemetry setting 0 works on Enterprise only. I haven't been able to find out if disabling the services actually stops telemetrics being sent in any version of Windows 10. I think there are more privacy settings only in enterprise too

 

Thanks for the break down brother Fox! That does make a great case for switching, and XBOX stuff is completely irrelevant in my case.
Do you get the ISO for it through te Microsoft site and use the ebay key on install?

 

It looks interesting and seeing some interesting reviews about how much faster and smoother it is that the usual Windows 10. There was something I was wondering, if you took a version of Enterprise, could you strip out all the bloatware and get it to be the same standard as LTSC?

Or can you take LTSC and add the bare minimum to make it game friendly, I.e. a few apps like Nvidia and AWCC seem to need Windows store to work properly. Sounds like Xbox games from what you said are not working, anything else?

 

You do have to be careful about where you get the ISO, as some of the links the eBay sellers give are not kosher. Some are spiked with malware. Brother @Papusan might still have a link where he downloaded LTSC not long ago that he can PM to you. I've got an official ISO from Micro$lop if you have any trouble finding it. MDL is generally the best place to get it. I have never downloaded a bad Windows ISO from MDL. The hashes are always an exact match for the official ISO.

Yes, absolutely, you can add any of the extra crap and it works fine. The beauty of that is YOU decide what gets installed. So, to be clear everything works except when it requires a newer build. For example, Gears of War 4 works fine, but Gears 5 does not because it requires a newer build. The only limitation is when the XBOX game requires a newer version of Windows 10. This is no different than running Home or Pro in that respect. You cannot use some of the newest XBOX/UWP games on Home or Pro unless you are running a current version of Windows 10 and have all of the updates cancer applied because the Digi-Nazis need to own you and your PC if you want to play.

You don't need the Store for NVIDIA Control Panel. Just use a non-DCH driver and you've got the superior version of NVIDIA Control Panel. The DCH/UWP version sucks.

 

Looks like I can download the iso from msdn which I have access to so that solves any worry about non kosher

When I tried to install non-DCH drivers before they wouldn't install. Is this not an issue for ltsc?

I only pretty much play world of Warcraft and not Xbox games so for me, sounds like a real option to explore then.

I did see a "decrapifier" script trying to make windows as close to LTSC as possible but adding is always easier than removing as you said

 

The AX200 will take advantage of a Wifi 6 network if you have one. The bandwidth speed increases can be pretty substantial in such a case but latency (which is what matters most in gaming) is not greatly influenced. Since an AX200 is only $20, I think it is totally worth buying if you have a wifi 6 network.

Bluetooth is the same between AX200 and 9260.

The AX200 and 9260 use a PCIe lane from the PCH and have all the network circuitry built onto the wifi card. The 9560 relies on the CNVio interface to leverage the built-in networking features of the PCH and CPU. This is why the AX201 does not work--the required wifi 6 features are not on the PCH and CPU. In fact, if you try to install an AX201, your machine will not even turn on but instead boot loop and eventually show a "CPU Failure" diagnostic light code.

The AX201 is intended for new system builders of Cannon Lake or Ice Lake platforms or people with such a laptop already and who want to swap out a Killer card for Intel.

I suppose I should also mention the Killer card equivalents:

Killer 1550: Intel 9260
Killer 1550i: Intel 9560
Killer AX1650x: Intel AX200
Killer AX1650i: Intel AX201

TLDR: The Intel AX200 and Killer AX1650x are compatible with the 51m. They are worth upgrading to if you have a wifi 6 compatible network.

 

So now I'm running 190w vbios with +165 core and I'm seeing 81c-82c temp.. No undervolt applied I'm just concerned that before when I used 200w bios it was getting these Temps aswell and the 190w bios seemed to keep the gpu at 79c and now the sudden higher temp is kinda odd..

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Oh the worse part is, they have an internal BIOS that works with DDR4-2666+ and XMP support apparently. They were testing a few months ago but never released it to public.

 

This!

 

Hi, dell is sending a technician to replace the fans/heatsink coz fans makes some weird noise. I see some negative feedback about technicians dealing with the laptop. Asked dell to send the part and I replace it but not possible. Can I disassemble the laptop before the technician come or I must wait for him to do it himself? .

 

Just tell the technician you have experience taking systems apart and building PCs and that it would make you happiest to do it yourself with his help watching over you. They’ll comply!

Btw, what kind of noise are your fans making that are having you go as far as this?

 

Looking for some help - MiniDisplayPort in my 51M isn't working.

Been connected to a 165hz 144hz Asus monitor since I got it in April. Worked fine a couple days ago like always. Haven't used it in a couple days. Today, my Asus monitor says "no Display Port connected."

Tinkered with power cycles and the cable and everything. Finally went downstairs, grabbed my Surface Pro 4, plugged in the same MDP cable to the monitor... worked fine instantly.

Back to the A51 - in settings it detects nothing. I'm scratching my head. Port is clean. Laptop hasn't been moved. What am I missing?

 

It’s like wind sound on medium ( performance profile) makes me nervous

 

Welp... found the issue.

My computer isn't detecting my RTX 2080. It's only seeing the integrated graphics.

I don't smell any smoke. I don't see any issues. The computer is otherwise working great (though it obviously can't play any games). I feel like this is different than most people's issues. Trying to get creative... any ideas?

No drivers that I download - either from Dell or Nvidia detect the GPU. However, in BIOS, it still shoes the 2080 listed as Discrete 1.

So it's there, right? And it detects it in BIOS. I've never run into this issue before. Any suggestions?

 

Indeed, if you can access it for download from MSDN you're golden.

Installing a non-DCH driver is not an issue for any version of Windows 10. You cannot be connected to the internet without first taking control of matters or it'll screw things up with your Windows 10 installation. If I don't intervene that DCH filth will install on my system as well, and it will cause an error trying to install non-DCH drivers. The error contains a blatant bald-face lie stating that your system requires a DCH drivers because... well... the Redmond Retards are abject compulsive liars.

You have to disconnect from the internet, run DDU and then install a full non-DCH driver package. Use group policy or WinAero Tweaker to disable driver updates through Micro$lop. Reboot. Connect to the internet.

A Windows Update made some goofy behavior for some folks. You may need to update your PCIe driver in Device Manager before the GPU will appear correctly or install drivers. Brother @QUICKSORT was one of the first to run into this problem, and he found the solution to it.

 

Lol - this is quite the Shakesperean adventure.

So I went to device manager, and saw that there was a red exclamation on my PCIe x16 port. I right click, hit update drivers... and it connects to the internet, updates, and refreshes! No more exclamation.

Now my 2080 shows up in Afterburner! Yay!

Plugged in monitor and now everything is working.

I've literally in 20+ years of PC gaming and 10+ building my own machines have I run into that... especially strange considering my PC never turned off or reset or anything. Like... that's odd, right?

Haha! Thanks so much for the quick reply! I just figured this out, too! Really appreciate you jumping in regardless. How strange! Glad it only killed 45 min of my night rather than a week

This machine sure is a strange one.

 

I just posted that right before you did, was going to provide a link to this for you.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...50h-coffee-lake.810891/page-138#post-10962991

Glad you got it figured out.

Yeah, it's super-stupid that a Windows Update can screw things up like that. They're such incompetent baboons.

Sounds like the same sad story as the unlocked BIOS for the Alienware 18 that I tested for them and they never released to the public. They have the ability to do the right thing, but deliberately choose not to. That's one of the reasons I won't buy their garbage any more. I don't want to do business with a company that behaves that way. Plus, they're just not worthy of having me for a customer.

It was nice visiting with you this afternoon. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

 

Seen in the Microsoft Store... Alienwae (typo in the Store Description lol) Area-51m >>> R2 <<< !!!!!!!

 

Haha I'll raise you this one I saw earlier mentioning not just the Area 51m R2, but also the m15 R3 and the m17 R3!

 

Does anyone know why chrome keeps saying aw snap and just crashes all the time... On any web page i am on my gf and I have the same build of windows and none of the crash bs for her at all I do have my cpu OC some but all tests pass on cenibech gaming etc no issues so idk what's happening.. It's so annoying.

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As @Mr. Fox mentioned. Indeed I had this issue. You go into device manager, you'll see under "System devices" a PCI-E x16 controller with a yellow warning sign. right click on it and update drivers.
It will change into a pci-e x16 intel XEON controller. And your GPU should immediately be detected once again.
I think it's something dell messed up in terms of the switch to DCH drivers

 

Oh Lord. . .the m15 and m17 probably have soldered ssd’s this time around.

 

T’was I who found ze fix!!! If you can call it a fix, lol. I just kinda stumbled across it, hit update and it fixed it.

I updated both the 16x and 8x, just ‘cause! I was feelin’ dangerous!

quote or it didn’t happen!

For everyone’s info: I was running DCH drivers since the start, so I didn’t switch from one type to another. I had updated via GeForce experience and it happened. Probably related to a change in the Nvidia driver itself and the PCIe components in the driver if I had to put money on it.

 

Sorry if I gave credit where it wasn't due. I just remembered @QUICKSORT having the problem and posting the solution, but I do not spend a great deal of time reading posts in this thread. The good thing is that both of you posted and the chances of someone else finding the quick solution to this problem when it happens to them is doubled. The more posts the better when something stressful like this happens.

 

R2 is to be expected. Intel is changing the socket to LGA 1200 for their next 10-core CPU.

 

S’all good. I agree! Actually doesn’t matter who did what as long as were all cruisin’

 

How undervolted is your 2080? And how are you keeping Temps under 70c?

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I hope they keep all ports/dimensions exactly the same!!! I’m hoping I can switch the mobo on this suckah in like R3/R4... 12 core CPUs here we come!

The DGFF I want to think will be a given now that Dell has released 2070/2080 upgrade kits. I’ll probably wait until the 4080 or whatever the end up calling it!

 

I run at 0.950v @ 1905Mhz (Runs 1860Mhz on average), I don't remember saying it runs under 70C? It runs in mid to high 70s under normal loads. Under max load I can see up to low 80s sometimes mid 80s. I am using Carbonaut which ruined my temps compared to stock paste. I have yet to repaste with a proper thermal paste.

I think they will keep the same DGFF for 3000 series and they might sell upgrade kits for those as well.

AW normally keeps their design for 2 years (R1/R2) for the most part.

Idk if we will get up to 4000 series DGFF. Guess it really depends how AW sells these and if nVidia sticks to a similar layout (GDDR7 might change layout of card etc.)

I would be surprised to see a R2 Ryzen Edition. That would be cool. Then we can have 16 core systems LOL

 

That would be cool haha! 16 cores

I think the form factor will stay the same, after all GPU form factors have stayed more or less the same for ~10 years. GPU in the center, memory around it... how much could they possibly change? Every new GPU in the last decade has been just smaller/faster/more efficient GPUs with more cores/etc in the middle of a board, surrounded by faster/denser/more efficient VRAM... that’s it!

 

Would not be much fun for overclockers because they suck at overclocking. Fine for gamers that are happy to just run it stock and are content with ordinary.

 

new RTX driver
https://www.dell.com/support/home/u...wt64a&productcode=alienware-17-area51m-laptop

 

Why not just use direct gpu driver from Nvidia?

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http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-959#post-10903993

 

So, Nvidia make mistakes and safer to use Dell approved, is that what you are saying? So, need to rely on Dell having a half decent release cycle then?
What about geforce experience and the game assistant etc? That doesn't appear to be part of the Dell package?

 

Yeah I don't think I've seen AMD clock better than Intel/nVidia ever in anything lol

I've been running nVidia drivers 99% of the time and am currently running them as well. No issues.

 

Say it this way, I don't think drivers from Nvidia will make more smoke. I have used drivers from Nvidia without such problems as long I can remember. So today's words has to be "Babying".

Some prefer take extra care on their investment. Better safe than sorry

 

I use the latest NVIDIA drivers all the time, I just posted this for members who prefer using dell drivers

 

anyone own the area 51m with 1660Ti?

 

I didn't think they shipped with that GPU, maybe its a new release but first I've heard of it.

 

Just to be clear, Dell (and other OEMs) do not make drivers. They identify releases that seem to be stable and call them an approved driver. Those are used for troubleshooting because they are viewed as being known to be stable. As such, they may not be current and are not frequently updated. The actual drivers come from the component manufacturer. Sometimes (not often) an OEM will tweak an INF file to add some kind of proprietary function to interact with one of their own pieces of software, but that is not the driver.

 

Looks like a new release.

 

Yeah! Just looked at it in Dell.com. Why would anyone go for this!!!!!????? It’s madness...

Like having a Ferrari with a beetle engine lol. All looks, no power.

 

The Area 51 R2 will probably be in beta testing internally at Dell for final validation and release next year. Thus the software adding support for the upcoming device.

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How easy is it to replace the LCD?

Has anyone done it?

Does anyone have any images?

Thanks

 

I'm sure there were times when they clocked pretty well. Some Durons, Bartons and Athlon 64 X2s come to mind.