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For Reach - I've hit like 200-300 fps @ 1600Mhz on the GPU (downclocked for low temps) with balanced fan mode keeping it ~60 deg C. Similar results with only one 330w adapter plugged in. When I first played it I was hitting 300+ with a occasional spikes to 600 fps depending on the map (not joking) with a standard OC setting on the GPU. Expect 144 hz with cool temps for this game I'd say. It'd be even better with an adjustable frame limiter to cap it at 144hz.

 

I ran the AGA with my AMD Radeon VII for awhile and I can tell you it won't do much at all for CPU temps.

I have tested this with
AW 13 R3
AW m15 R1
AW m15 R2

CPU temps are still high. I still hit 100C on my 9900K with AMP if I don't undervolt.

I don't want anyone to get their hopes up.

Also I put the Radeon VII into my Server and it seems to run better (clocks are more stable).

However, with that said, the GPU is still only 1-3 FPS away from my desktop. I play at 4K on my desktop so the difference ain't much.

AMP is pretty good for 1440p 120FPS or 4K 60Hz +

Unfortunate this never came to us consumers.

Did anyone actually test 1.8.1 for anything OTHER than GPU temp throttle?

Maybe 1.8.1 brought support for 2666Mhz RAM and maybe XMP?

I have 2133Mhz RAM so I can't test...

EDIT: That guy is running a custom build BIOS...

I flashed 1.8.1 and tried 2666Mhz RAM from another laptop and STILL runs at 2400Mhz....

 

How to run a custom bios??

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Bro, you just need to go nuts with a desktop. You're going through the kind of pain that ultimately turned me against laptops.They just don't make 'em like they used to. Any dream of the possibility of having a custom/unlock BIOS is totally destroyed with the awareness that this machine has been perma-gimped at a firmware level by Intel BootGuard. You'd need to find a replacement PCH chip without BootGuard and have a BGA soldering station to remove and replace that chip.

Yeah, a Clevo will run way better, but it's not a desktop either. Closer, but still a bit off the mark.

Spoiler: And, here's why... not a laptop

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9572482 | https://hwbot.org/submission/4297383_

 

We can't. He might be someone who tests pre-release BIOS.

Or he got lucky with some bug. We won't know until that user tells us. Now where is my USB...need to get back to 1.5.0.

Having lots of fun with my desktop as well. It's getting full 32GB 3200Mhz Quad-Channel next week. No more 2133Mhz or mix-match issues.

 

Hello there,

I was thinking about deliding the i9 9900k, I know a guy that does it with the tools and have some experience... I have seen the bartxstore custom IHS for this laptop... but I have one question;

It's really neccesary to do the lapping? Because delidding is already risky but the lapping thing... It goes too much for me I think.

Can I go with a simple delid with liquid metal and the bartxstore custom IHS without lapping the DIE? Or it's really necessary?

Thanks!

 

Did you get the official 9th gen copper ihs? I'd almost argue that lapping is a must for an overclocked 9900k.
I lapped my 9900k to the extreme, results were ~27c temp reduction, while using a custom made 4.37mm BartX ihs.

 

Supposedly the colors a bit better on the newer Chi Mei panels at least according to one post I read somewhere. I have the gsync 144 newer panel, and while its naturally not as good as my AW3418DW desktop panel, its pretty good for laptop panel. I am spoiled onthe OLED on my trusty AW 13 R3 though, _nothing_ compares to OLED - I'd give my eye-teeth to have a Gsync 144hz OLED panel....

I calibrated it with a SyperPro 5 and it looks pretty sweet after that. I wish color saturation and green depth was a bit more, but I honestly can't complain otherwise. The Gsync in games is nice since my desktop panel has it, 60hz is just so jarring now.

 

The problem using a thicker lid is the Unified heatsink in Area. You need add a copper shim in proper thickness on the Gpu side. This means worse cooling for the graphics card. It’s a choice between Pest and Cholera.

 

You're absolutely correct, you'd have to do a balancing act with the unified heatsink.

 

Sounds like it’s a good panel then. That’s always nice to see. Normally I expect a downgrade because and manufacturer found a cheaper alternative.

I’ve had some first hand experience with OLED with the Xps 15. And you are right it is an amazing panel tech. Colors are very vibrant and the pure blacks is outstanding. But I’m in the same boat that I need high FPS screens now. My trusty Acer Predator monitor is still holding up. Not much reason to replace it either.

Once something like the Alienware 55” oled monitor comes down in price and size I’d be onboard. I honestly feel anything over $1000 for a monitor is over kill. But that’s just one of those things that has been creeping up in price over the years.

 

Just a quick update: the replacement drive worked without a hitch. Must have been an issue with the original drive. Thanks again for the help.

 

The Chi-Mei pannel is very good. It's about 99% sRGB with a contrast level of about 1:1500. By default, white balance is slightly warm (unlike most laptop panels that are way too cool) and after calibration Delta E can be excellent. Not too bad for a 144Hz G-Sync gaming display.

 

My dreams of becoming a content creator are finally a reality.
All jokes aside that is very nice to hear

 

FWIW I measured 98.something % after calibration. Interestingly I thought the panel was actually cooler than warmer before calibration...

 

Can anyone share me the links to buying laptop sleeves for area 51m in Canada??

 

Is there one? I was checking the AW site in the US and I don't see one listed personally... maybe I am missing it somehow?

 

There are no sleeves available in dell website but there are some in amazon which I am not sure the laptop can fit in
If anyone has any suggestions or sleeves to mention please mention

 

Has someone experienced games crashing after installing BIOS 1.8.1?

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Found this one on EBay
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/184022604832

 

I bought a Wiwu 17" sleeve, takes a bit if stretching but does a job. I use it just to protect the laptop when putting it into a drawer etc.

 

Another 2 hours of reach. Cpu max was 77 and average was 58.

GPU was max 50 average of 44.

2070 and 9700K

FR between 100 and 144

I have been olaying with cans and without. Sound is surprisingly good (for a laptop) could have a tad more base but not bad

 

I had one crash playing outer worlds. Do not think its related, last two weeks I have been gaming a lot...with only that one crash

 

Help....Some how my GPU 2080 has turned off and not showing in the Device manager or Alienware Command centre?
I have all Windows updates and Alienware updates.

Yet when I click on Support Assist it says I need 1.8.1 bios update and some nvidia drivers?
Click install results in 4 squares circling and nothing happening?

Did I press a button on the FN part of keyboard to stop GPU running?

Edit: Some PCi controller driver 1901 had corrupted and has "!" on it....I auto updated it(2016 driver?) and the 2080 appeared in device manager but not in Alienware Command centre initially until reboot and now all normal?
You cant overclock the GPU in Alienware Command centre right?

Going to try this sleeve in Dark blue:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202783623840

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VO5QL8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

havent found a laptop that doesnt fit in this one

 

Check for any issues in the device manager, there are 2 entries that need updating, I'm searching to see if I can find the exact names just now. Found it... give the below a shot....

 

On the throttling issue - I have 2 questions:

1) is it strictly a thermal restriction currently so at 78' C any CPU+GPU combo will throttle?

2) 78' seems terribly Draconian and far under what the design suggests it should handle, did Dell give any reason for such a low number? I would have guessed 90'... but 78'..... sheesh! (and yes I'm aware of the burning latops earlier this year in the first batch).

 

Games not crashing but did notice performance issue in one game and had to lower game graphics settings to eliminate. Also turned on my machine this morning to complete battery discharge after being off for a day and a half. The battery is in good condition, now charged and holding. I did not change anything besides the BIOS update to 1.8.1.

 

Since you brought it up, this is my opportunity to go on record. I've had mine for about a month and I noticed the battery drains about 8-10% in about 24 hours or less in the OFF state. I've already done everything suggested on the internet and finally called Dell tech support. We were on the phone for hours until they finally decided to send out a tech to replace the battery.

Now, it's still doing the same thing, but this "new" battery shows 85k fully charged capacity out of the designed 90k MWh. I put in another service request, but still waiting for the email. I suspect I'll have to just call, again.

Anyway, this occurred with the previous (1.7.3) BIOS as well as the current. I even use the shutdown /s command and have the shortcut on my desktop in addition to having no USB plugged in and waiting several minutes before closing the lid, etc. etc. etc.

Anyone else notice the battery drain that much while completely shut down? I can't be the only one, right?

 

I have reverted back to BIOS 1.7.3 and rolled back the Windows 1909 update. Things are better now, mostly confident the issue was the Windows update.

Try rolling back to BIOS 1.7.3. Check if windows 1909 has been installed.

My laptop doesn't discharge when off. Do you leave it with a USB mouse or something plugged in?

My battery was 84k mWh since new and haven't experienced any wear.

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To answer my own question, if I put the fan profile on "Quiet", it throttles on Time Spy Extreme with GPU hitting 82' c (cool home, marble counter). Did not throttle on Balanced same conditions fortunately, but disappointing nonetheless, was really hoping the 51m throttling was a BIOS level condition that also involved the GPU BIOS on the 2080 being detected, I guess not : /

Still cannot get my head wrapped around a power laptop that throttles at ... 78 c'.... my 1060 in my trust AW 13 R3 can sit on 84-87' C all day without an issue... nuts.

 

It’s normal for any gaming laptop to have throttle when the system is set to quiet/silent. Pretty much shows in this case when you set it to balanced. Any graphic or CPI intense situation I set mine to high performance and have no issues.

 

“Do you leave it with a USB mouse or something plugged in?”

Nope. Everything disconnected. Even changed the bios setting to not charge connected devices.

Sounds like my situation is not common. Strange that it’s happening with two new batteries...

 

Also, everything is factory setup except for some optimizations suggested on this forum. I keep all drivers up to date, etc.

I’m just can’t figure it out and apparently neither can Dell. I’m curious what they’ll say this time.

Kinda frustrating to pay so much for a supposedly top of the line laptop and have to spend so much effort and time troubleshooting when one would think it should be just power up and enjoy.

Anyone else got any thoughts?

 

Oh I know the point was to run a stress and have it proven to throttle with the BIOS. I would never normally run it on quiet.

 

My battery was set to 'Custom', 60% to 90% in the BIOS. It took a month or more for it to go from 90% to 81%. So unlike you, only normal discharge until BIOS 1.8.1. I was thinking that when it updated, since I had battery on Custom setting in bios, maybe some component did not know what the charge was so it cycled the battery, but heck, I don't know.

Your problem doesn't sound like a battery problem, maybe something's pulling power. If you disconnect the battery I would imagine the charge would hold when the machine is off. Not saying that's a solution, just saying.

 

Meant to stop this...

Alienware Area 51 JUST TURNED OFF AND WONT TURN BACK ON

 

Why not just fix the problem outright? This mentality of “Well it’s released we can’t possibly be held responsible for fixing an issue, so throttle it.” Really needs to die off.

 

Anddddd back to the 9900KS I am again.... with a video this time.

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Nice post - no immediate plans to move off the 9700K in mine, but its nice to see the range of CPU's tested!

Its too bad the next chip line changed sockets - the 9900KS is probably the best there will be for LGA1151.

 

All this has the ingredients for a class action lawsuit.

 

I would still create a profile with the maximum frequency your CPU can handle. Games don't necessarily stress the CPU that much and a bump in frequency will boost fps without power throttling.

You can also run at a higher clock overall for task other than rendering and gain overall performance as well. Don't focus just on Cinebench.

 

Does anyone know how many watts (total) the RTX 2070 with i7 8700 version of the a51m uses?

 

even my unit has this "problem", some time ago someone of authority here told me that it was normal and that it had to do with v-pro

 

How you mean they shall fix it? Too late in the life cycle and Product recall program is damn expensive + it will hurt reputation. A firmware fix is easiest fix (can be done via Windows update etc) and most inexpensive.

They can change specs over night without risking anything. In exactly same way as they did with the 8 pipes heatsink.

 

Wishful thinking.

 

Drains over the last couple days checked:

8% in 20 hours
10% in 27 hours
1% in 2 hours

That's completely shutdown with nothing connected using shutdown /s command and waiting several minutes before closing lid.

Your saying this is normal for this very expensive, top-of-the-line laptop?!

 

Some (users of other computer brands) claim this eliminated this problem for them. I see a vague connection (Intel Management Engine Technology: System administrators can use it to turn the computer on and off remotely etc..), regardless, it's harmless if it works or not. Nothing to lose...

Device Manager > System Devices > Intel Management Engine Properties > Power Management - Uncheck: Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power. | If this box is checked, under is another option to wake the computer. So?

 

There are written communications by Dell and videos where they promised features that never came, and they crippled the performance of the laptop to avoid a recall.

I might be wrong, but class action lawsuits have been filled for much less than this.

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If it was so easy... Dell would be flooded in class action lawsuits... As I said, specs can be changed at any time. Firmware or hardware doesn't matter.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-1336#post-10927463

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-1235#post-10919429

And the 8 pipe scam (and no heatsink for the GPU VRMs) was showed in the video interview at CES with Alienware's former VP Azor.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-325#post-10872785