*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

I think that’s confirmed my theory that the laptop configuration simply can’t move enough air to cool these GPU’s, I think we’ve hit a wall until either graphics card manufacturers learn how to build cooler powerful GPU’s or some whiz kid comes up with a different more efficient way to cool laptop components.


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Super job !

On a side note the Christmas lights and multiple reboots after the BIOS flash really keeps you on the edge of your seat doesn’t it I thought for sure I was in deep trouble after about 3 reboots. Man was I relieved when it was over.


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Well with Windows the way it is these days that’s a serious chore

One day you’ll boot up and it may work perfectly all of the sudden, I blame stray Neutrinos changing bits in memory.


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Whoa! Def more interested in this. Couldn't find the auction on EBay.

Can you elaborate at all further or point me in a direction please?

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition,5809-11.html

 

Many thanks for your details

Do you think I'll notice some improvements in temperatures by going from 200w vBios to 180w ? (I'll just by curiosity anyway ... for science !!! )

 

So on a day to day basis.... for the folks with a 2080, are you just mainly downgrading the BIOS/VBIOS and living without Gsync, or are people settling on a middle ground with a later VBIOS say the 180 watt with 1.5.0 BIOS? If you ran on the highest levels, are people just routinely running into throttling, or is the power drop to 150 watt so much that you rarely hit the thermal limit with even demanding games/applications? Bit hard to tell what is the common experience with all the varying posts on the question currently.

 

I’ve only used the AW with its 180w and it can’t hack it. This is with LM too.

 

I never left the 180w vBIOS on mine, but I did try going back down to 1.5.0 and then back to 1.7.1 at the time and I saw very little difference performance wise. I lost about 300 points on Firestrike but the temps were slightly higher on the GPU. I have not yet seen the crippling GPU throttling and my GPU sits at 74c most of the time.

EDIT: Apparently I was tired, I should have type I have always left the 180w VBios on mine.

 

Might I ask, what games do you tend to play - is this throttling only affect folks running things like Witcher, Read Dead Redemption 2, etc?

 

Thanks for this, will give it a watch later and may gove it a go.

I'm currently on BIOS 1.7.3 and the 180w vBIOS, I play Far Cry 5, BF5 and Football Manager 20 at the min, with the 1st two games mentioned HWInfo64 shows the GPU has throttled but I genuinely don't notice much during the game, baring in mind I'm new to pc gaming so likely missing something you more experienced guys would see.

 

how does one know if he has hit the scilicon lottery? with the 9900k to 9900ks?

Was thinking 1.5.0/190w LM on gpu to chicken **** to put it on the cpu socket lol, but seeing BoB's post Lm makes no difference... the humming and hawing continues.

delid direct die the 9900k? anyone get that accomplished?

 

I suspect if its minor throttling with Gsync you don't really notice it, but I was under the impression that _massive_ throttling almost down the bottom of the clocks occurred... anyone have an experience to confirm what happens currently here?

PS: Added a 1TB 970 EVO Plus this morning no issue whatsoever, still need to get a heat sink but thrilled with how easy it is to get into the unit. Found the little LEGO tool works _perfectly_ for helping unsnap the back cover without scratching the unit.... runs at same temps as the boot Skynix drive - 75C or so on Balanced mode. Going to Performance mode, low 70's to mid-60'sin case anyone wants to know that is also planning on adding.

 

Sorry ,see my edit, I screwed up what I meant to type. I should have said I always left the 180w VBIOS on mine.

As for games, Overwatch ,ARK, Jedi Fallen Order, WoW, a bunch of other not intensive stuff that won't push it anyways.

 

Maybe your graphics run cooler than those who experience the the crippling.

Just see how well it overclock. Max it out within thermal headroom.

I mean read that the heatsink will crash with the power delivery.

 

Yeah big Overwatch player, and Kerbal Space Program as well. I noticed that at full settings Read Dead Redemption 2 which I installed as a sort of test overwhelms the 2070. Was disappointed to learn the AW GA does _not_ work with the internal screen, only an external monitor... like wtf....

 

I am on 180watt vbios and 1.5.0 and never have gpu throttle, i play rdr2 alot but my gpu never goes above 75degrees for now. I have the 2080 but first model so i still have g-sync also.

i did update the bios once and got major throttling on hellblade so i downgraded instantly

 

Hey guys. Does anybody have a backup vBios for RTX 2060 model? Thanks.

 

Huh you guys having GPU temp issues??

It can definitely keep the GPU cool. Issue is more CPU for me at least. Even on 1.5.0 & 200w vBIOS my 2080 performs fine. Never hit 90C always below in the low to mid 80s at worse.

Mine rebooted 6 times so yeah...LOL

I'm on 1.5.0 and 200w vBIOS. I have a first batch Area-51m so I get to use G-Sync. For me this is the perfect set-up not counting able to use 2666Mhz+ RAM but mine is 2133Mhz so I guess I also don't have to worry about that for now.

My GPU runs full power all the time, even if it hits 87C it doesn't seem to clock down more so the power limit still hits it harder (200w).

CPU on the other hand works fine at stock (4.7Ghz all core) but overclocking to 4.9Ghz+ and it needs some help.

I'm hoping that new vapor chamber cooler on the R2 fixes the CPU although now we will see 10 cores on the R2 lol.

What I will say is, my GPU does get hot (up to 87C worse case) so for me, BIOS 1.7.3/1.8.1 is a no-go. I get the dreaded super low clock mode when it hits 79C+

 

everything at 5ghz and above is a win Paste is ICD on both and CPU delid + Copper IHS.

Prime 95 @ 4700


CB r15 @5000


Anno 1800 @ 5200


CBr20 @ 5000 (cool ambient @ ca.18 degree)


FF Bench @ 5300

 

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Wow that must be nice to see that, how you get your ram that high? i thought the 2400 was cap no? also where you get the copper ihs or is it just a generic one?

 

Unfortunately 2400 is the max atm... I got that ram cheaper than 2400mhz ^^ 32gb 3800mhz Samsung Bdies for 200€

i use the copper IHS from RockitCool

 

Yea even on BIOS 1.5.0 and 180w VBIOS power limit is the issue, HOWEVER on my machine I discovered that Raytracing was hardly working if at all on BIOS 1.8.1, I was shocked at the graphics improvements just going to 1.5.0 provided.

Still gimped but at least usable now.


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No height issues or nothing with that putting it in the 51m eh? hmm going to have to order that then haha, so the rams just clocks at 2400 then oh ok.

 

What panel was in the first one and when did the 2nd panel start appearing?

 

How do you know it’s 4K?

 

Wait you use that copper thing in a 51m??

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Lol good one but you're right random guy post a picture how do they know it's 4k right ?

That's my laptop I got the screen from eBay

 

At least my ihs was OK. Dont expect to much benefit. 2-3 degree maybe.

Sure... Why not?

 

I'm sure they initially shipped with AUO and LG panels, then Chi Mei panels were used when Dell started promoting and selling 'Eyesafe', which I think was around July.

 

you're right AUO and LG was first. LG has better viewing angels but more glow. AUO better blacks and better reaction times and less glow. Panel OC both 159Hz.

Glow Comparision: Blue Keyboard is AUO, Rainbow is LG Panel



View angels: Blue Keyboard AUO, Rainbow LG



How is the Chi Mei in comparison? Chi Mei typical less to none panel OC i guess?

 

How do you OC a laptop panel? Is there anything that cannot be OC'd, this is a whole new world to me.

In saying that I have a Chi Mei panel so probably can't. I love this screen but I am comparing it to a 7-year-old Asus G750 I had, so it is likely to be better.

 

only the Ram at the moment

https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/pc-peripheral/how-overclock-your-monitor-3635779/

 

Some panels allow a decent hz overclock. Clevo used some 60hz panels that easily OC’d to 90 or so. Most of the newer fast panels already running 120/144 can’t do much in terms of OC’ing.

 

Its all subjective, but my desktop I run the AW3418DW and of course have the Chi Mei panel (model CMN175F) and I have to say they are quite comparable considering their relative costs. The color saturation on the Chi Mei panel is good, but not quite what the AW3418DW is, but the contrast is actually a bit _better_ though greens on the Chi Mei simply have less depth but this is a quibble. Both are color calibrated btw using Spyder5 Pro.

 

A good calibration makes a world of difference


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A word of caution is that overclocking you monitor could potentially kill it overtime. I have a dell ultrawide(((I forget the product number off the top of my head))) and it is a 3440x1440 60hz panel. I overclocked to 80 hz. Any higher just didn’t work. But a free boost was a free boost so I left it and went about my marry way. I’m going to say 6-7 months down the road the monitor would not turn on. Since it was within the warranty period I was able to get a new one from dell with little hassle. And I may not be 100% sure my overclock killed it I’ve never had a monitor die on me like that before. So I strongly think I killed it by overclocking it.
Funny part is the replacement is still alive and well for over four years and I never overclocked it.​

 

Overclocking any hardware will generally shorten the life span of it (cpu, gpu, ram etc). Problem is who really keeps their hardware long enough these days for it to be a factor.

 

I mean not sure by how long really? Is Temps are controlled and you don't go insane things can still last just as long

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We went too long....although I have to admit I never expected the next "CLEVO is better" to be about overclockability of panels..

Oh...FYI. those evil Dell engineers sunk into my house last night and ripped the labels off my canned gods. Chunky soup? Beans? NOW I CANT TELL!!!

 

Every C is a win !

 

THATS the spirit! XD

 

Me.
Gpu, cpu, ram, etc sure I upgrade those like crazy. ((I might have an upgrade problem )) But, monitors? I keep them for as long as they last. I have an Acer Predator x34 as my main monitor and still have the Dell monitor as a secondary monitor. And too be honest I’m not getting rid of either until they break. To me you can get a lot of miles out of them if you take care of them. Hence why I caution people from overclocking none gamer monitors. So I’d say just spend the extra cash and get a high refresh monitor or display and enjoy.

 

Funny - I have the AW3418DW which is "over-clockable" to 120... from 100. I have mine set to 120, but the panel tops at 118. I read a lot of debate on this - is it something I should worry about? The consensus was that the unit was guaranteed to 100, but something up to 120 was likely within operating life time.... what do you think in that particular case?

 

I think yours is likely more robust than my ol ultra sharp. Since yours is a gaming model I suspect it is a much more suited for overclocking. Mine was not a gaming display so it wasn’t designed to go past 60hz. Which is why I assume it failed so quickly. Soooo it’s more of a “I experienced this so learn from my mistake” mentality. Besides how much of a difference can you notice from 100hz to 120hz?

And is your monitor overclockable via the monitor itself? My Predator is technically overclocked to 100hz by the controls on the monitor itself. My dell monitor that failed was overclocked by using the Nvidia customer resolution software. So that might play a big part in why it failed. That and it was before 144hz and up displays. If memory serves me right anyway.

 

Yes - Dell builds in settings to take it from 100 Hz in increments of 5 Hz up to 120. You set the threshold, then you get what you can, in my case I hit 118 Hz. Kind of my thinking, they expect you to "OC" it. One person suspected that the 120 Hz "OC" was due to the fact they couldn't guarantee it due to bandwidth limitations, so 100 to 120 was an easy out. As for noticing, its very noticeable actually from 100 to 120, I was surprised. I can tell a bit of a difference though less so from 120 on the AW3418DW to the 144 Hz panel in the AW51M I have.

 

That’s very similar to how my Predator works. Starts at 75 hz and can go to 100 hz. Mine goes to 100 hz and runs just fine. The YouTuber BitWit I believe his review sample only went to 90hz. So I think that was a testing phase since no one could guarantee high refresh rates on high resolution displays. But with 4K 120k panels out now I think they’re making good head way with it.

Now when I had my Area 51m I did not notice much of a difference between it’s 144hz and my desktop 100hz screen. Seemed pretty interchangeable to me. But I play slower paced adventure type games. No twitch shooters for me. But my brother has a 240hz laptop and I was messing with that one day and I did notice once I went back to my setup. Which is surprising to me. And it kinda ruined 60hz for me. So with laptops getting 300hz screens soon I’ll be a happy camper. Plus at that point overclocking a display would be pointless.

 

i'm running the same ultrawide monitor overclocked at 120 with my A51m for the last year with no issues. the monitor overclock is a factory option in the monitor menu. it's not something you have to hack it to do, so i'm not worried about it.

to answer your question from a few pages back i'm on bios 1.8.1 with the 180w vbios with a 9900k 2080 config. i don't notice any throttling and have good temps in AAA games as long as my GPU thermal limit is set to 78 in AWCC in my overclocks. so i'm fine with it. just played through Control with all ray tracing options on except ray tracing debris with all settings on ultra. no noticeable frame rate drops the whole time i was playing the game on those settings. obviously if you jack the GPU thermal limit above the bios thermal limit you get the hard throttle with that bios though.

 

Right - its only an issue with fast-paced FPS - I just cannot go back to 60 Hz now, its like you're playing drunk or something... very odd experience now. Adventure games, no problem as you mentioned.

 

Also yes.

I do hope this means lower priced high FPS monitors soon. Since laptops are definitely making high refresh rate standard for gaming PCs.

 

I’ve ordered a unit 10 days ago, I believe I’ve made a terrible mistake not waiting for 10900k and upgraded gpu. I thought these parts can’t be assembled in a laptop shell.

But again with the newer cpu and gpu, the price would reach 5k easily

got mine maxed out for 3300$

 

Yeah you want the latest and greatest be 6-7000 up in Canadia, no thanks. Mine was 3600 canadian pesos with 2 years of premium plus 9900k 2080 144z got the non g sync