*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

I think it depends, if you want a well-specced laptop that'll handle most tasks without issue then you shouldn't regret it.

If you bought it on a spur of the moment and have no 'real' need for it right now and had time to wait for the newest and greatest, then, you should probably look to return it as you'll probably always have the 'what if I'd waited' feelings and likely won't ever love it.

 

In the last year i have a 15 r4 with a sound issue that developed 3 weeks after the warranty ran out, a m17 that developed a motherboard issue after i purchased the area 51m, with the replacement probably in someones return unit with everything else wrong with it being shipped back to dell as we speak, but says back order!! Have already said to dell i might be having to cancel, and get out while i can, might have to buy a clevo from eurocom or wherever but not to sure about warranty i like dells in house option, when they have parts.

 

you are probably right, I have no real need to be frank, I bought it when my Alienware 18 got lost.

I really doubted dell could fix a 10 core cpu in a laptop and the focus would be for the mobile version

I thought the R1 would launch in April to July

but I made an oppsy and I deserve it for being naive

 

Clevo and Eurocom for the same specs are much more expensive

I’m surprised as well

 

There so far appears to be no R2 with the new CPU socket announced, the only leak referencing an R2 is a pic of a GPU and heat pipe assembly showing a different screwdown, and a tweet saying it would awhile before an R2 appears. Right now the R1 for at least the next quarter or two is all your going to see. There really is no "ugpraded" GPU unless you're thinking of a 2080 Super, and even that is not all that much better than a 2080... overall enjoying my unit (9700K+2080) and typing this message on it...

 

and what about the al mighty 10900k ? would be it be present in R2?

 

Probably - but the question is when ? Can you wait 6-12 months? The fact there as literally _no_ details or even a tease on an AW51M R2 at CES and a tweet saying it would be some time.... I wouldn't hold my breath unless you just have to have it. I really question the need for a 10-core processor though... I mean, its cool and all, but.... most people hardly utilize 6 much less 8 or now 10... even for simultaneous gaming and streaming...

 

I like that sig bro... fingers crossed edition. I call mine the fixer upper edition

 

Was going to call it Frank Azor Final Edition

 

I am looking for a powerful workstation laptop for high end vfx. I found this laptop to be the best candidate though it has some big caveats. I saw someone post this in a similar topic for people who were looking for powerful workstation laptop.





I don't know if there are other candidates. I think razer blade pro could also be considered one. The requirements were 8 cores minimum, 8GB GFX card, 64-128GB RAM, 17" 4k IPS panel, great OC capability and cooling, go run 4.5-5Ghz on all cores.

If you look at most of these laptops, they are fairly thin so it's hard to imagine they won't throttle under load, or even provide enough power, in the case of Asus proart series at least.

Studiobook One is super powerful but that thin, 15" ruins it, other ProArt models with 6 cores and FHD screen is a joke IMO.

HP Zbook I am not sure but FHD is still pass.

I heard Aorus comes very close to gt76 and 51m but also FHD and dim screen.

Aero 17 is a very solid choice with one of the best 4k laptop screen with HDR but of course will throttle, as it's fairly thin. My friend has this so I know quite a bit about this model. If it had 128GB, it would be great choice given the price also.

Dell Precision also looks solid but I read it's TN panel and also the price becomes ridiculous with the above quoted specs.

ThinkPad P73 could be the best price/performance as it has 4k 17" IPS HDR with 128GB RAM, but the fact that they allow RTX 5000 only for 6 core but 4000 for the 8 core makes it less than ideal. I also know it comes with locked i9 so I assume can't OC by design due to thermals. If I am not wrong, someone was saying this model also throttles. Any ideas?

I normally don't care about quadro as much as I care about VRAM, so the more the better for vfx purposes so you can fit larger data on your GPU, that's the biggest bottleneck, not the fact that it's GTX/RTX or Quadro.

So that leaves gt76 9SG and 51m. Now 51m has amazing design looks wise, but I heard gt76 has better thermals under full load? For some reason some resellers are not selling this anymore, not sure what's the reason for this?

Now you might say why care about 51m then because it also doesn't have 4k panel but I saw someone rigged a 4k display on this machine.

I am curious if this is possible or the next model might have it?

Another reason is I am curious about the leak of 51m R2 that shows better cooling, but nothing on CES were shown.

I also see some resellers offer maximum thermal repasting, LMs, deliddling, silicon lottery, etc. What do you guys think about this? Risky or no to buy from the reseller?

Thanks in advance

 

@lestat2k7
Why no Clevo options?

AW A51M will likely not have a 4K refresh for quite some time. If at all...

I will let you do the research if you never heard of them... But I'm sure @Papusan can chime in with the pro's and cons

Current Models 17" with LGA Desktop CPU and 4K Panel options.
Clevo P870TM
Clevo P775TM

Upcoming:
X170 sometime in Q2 2020?

 

Why would Dell show Area-51m R2 if Intel haven't the 10th gen processors ready?
Intel reportedly delayed 10th gen Desktop Due to high (300w) power consumption Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 01/10/2020 10:12 AM

Many of us have been expecting some announcement from Intel on the Comet lake desktop processor front. We've already seen many motherboards names based on the new Z490 chipset leak and complete product listings. But nothing was mentioned during CES.

+90% of the gaming laptops you show here is just Jokebooks. See my post below.

There is only 2 or 3 choices from what I can see... The rest is soldered tragedies. MSI GT76 with 9900K is destroyed by soldered GPU. No thanks!

Clevo P870TM
Clevo P775TM
Area-51M

The rest is pure Junk.

My choice if I bought new today...
EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM-R - 17.3" FHD 144Hz / QHD 120Hz /

Pro's and Cons...

Pro's... The best out there.
Cons... The P870TM is EOL model.

X170 sometime in Q2 2020? Probaly.

 

You need a tool? buy a tool, not a toy. With the corresponding pro service! My opinion.

OC and bad service is not an alternative if I am looking for a reliable tool.

 

My 2920XM has been running severely overclocked since it came out in 2011, 24/7 pushing 4.3-4.4Ghz 4 cores on a chip that was designed to top out at 3.5Ghz on a single core. Still running to this day. The key is to not mess around with overvolting as that WILL punish components.

 

Thanks a lot guys, I heard of Clevo but the models I checked including the ones listed and the EVOC one, I heard/read their display is mediocre and their pricing for similar spec as a high end 51m, they were more than 2k more expensive.

Another thing that bothers me with those is that their build design looks horrible with thick bezels. X170 now that one looks good. I just don't know why clevo doesn't pay attention to design a bit more. I don't want macbook/razer like design but something more elegant. You can be both thick build like 51m and still look elegant with thin bezels etc.

Also 1000 nits look very appealing to me. Not sure if it's also HDR.

Something like RTX Titan or RTX 6000 would be amazing purely because of 24GB memory and only ProArt One has it, but like I mentioned that thin of a laptop, I can't imagine it maxing out fully.

Do you guys see any othe contenders?

What about the 12 core ryzen laptop?


Do you guys think there will be some beefy workstation laptops either using AMD or Intel this year?

Also I was asking about hidevolution because their price was much cheaper than dell with higher specs. They offer 128GB for 51m, Dell doesn't for example. In december I made a 51m build with 128GB, 2080, delidded 9900KS (binned for 5.1), all thermal repasting, padding, etc, and 780W power adapter for about 5200 I think. Now it shows higher price.

 

I'm trying to create a usb Windows 10 recovery on a USB stick.

I placed a formatted new NTFS 64gb USB stick and ran the Windows 10 recovery program....... It comes up with "unable to complete program"?????

Area 51 as per description

Will premium support help?

Google useless!!!

 

Have you got another computer you can try it on? Dell are likely to point you to their recovery tool process, which I think is this - https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukdhs1/drivers/osiso/recoverytool/wt64a

 

So I upgraded the Windows 10 with a key to Pro...... Does that matter?

 

I'm not sure what you are asking? What was your initial plan? Did you want to re-install Windows just so you could upgrade to Pro? But as that hadn't worked you have just done a key update in place as such? I don't think I've ever done that but as long as everything is working as you expected and you have the additional Pro applications/settings then yeah it should be fine.

I'm not sure there would be anyway during the install process to enter the Pro key (as I'm sure it grabs your key from the BIOS) to give those options during the installation, however, there are far more knowledgable people on here than me who maybe able to give a better answer as to the best process in doing this.

 

Hello guys I have a stupid question, for a good undervolt on the CPU does it change something to have two or four banks of ram installed?

 

Fill up all 4 banks with ram will provide more stress on the Cpu IMC (memory controller). But with stock/below Intels ram specs you shouldn't see any differences. Can't oc the ram in Area-51m as you know.

Edit. If you go after Cpu OC records you don't put in 4 sticks with ram.

 

How is support for the Evoc line?

 

There is a sub forum for the Clevo/evoc laptops, might want to ask the ow era over there?

 

Well I figured if we are discussing it here.... :smile

 

clevo laptop design oems are similar but not identical :
Eurocom
XOTIC PC
Sager
Hidevolution
Xmg
Origin PC

Compare prices with all before you buy

believe it or not the area51 is the cheapest,
The P7 is thermally crippled and the P8 is expensive (2% performance difference compared to area51m)

 

Wonder if people post "area 51m is better then Clevo" there? Bet they do...

 

so over the past week I've had an issue with the Fn (function key) and it's corresponding Fkey not working. I'm guessing this was due to an AWCC update or something...has anyone else had issues with this and what did you do to fix? This is mainly affecting the issues of not being able to turn off the trackpad, adjusting the volume, and adjust screen brightness. Super annoying when these aren't working.

*edit*: Ok just noticed these keys are not responding: Ctrl, FN, Windows key (on bottom left hand side of keyboard) and ESC and F1-F7

 

I have owned several clevo's and still read through the subs there. I don’t think I’ve seen any 51m owners doing this.

 

Because we can't...or.....we are more mature....

 

no... Clevos are just superior and we have no reason to praise the A51m in Clevo subs.

 

Oof - bad keyboard maybe? Considering the keyboard is one of the shiny elements of the A51M, I am surprised...

 

yeah this is getting weird. Now all of those keys are working fine again. I dunno what's up. I don't see anything in Event Viewer.

 

LOL

 

It’s not a good reason, but clevo’s look like garbage. So that might be the one area the Alienware laptops win.

 

Had you opened it up for anything? Maybe the connection for KB isn't seated fully/properly, highly doubt its that if its intermittent.

 

I know my AW's are either broken or getting tossed around on a Chinese assembly line, but alteast they do not look like double decker Acers

 

So a couple of pages back....I asked about creating a recovery boot USB stick for Windows 10

Have people done it here without issue on the AW51m?...... Because it did not complete the process..... For me.

I don't need have any issues......Yet and want it for if I do.

 

Yes it worked fine for me, I was also able to restore from it.

 

Was there any special tricks or things you did to make the creating process work?
Size of USB stick?
Formatted?
Prompts in Windows 10 recovery

 

Sometimes alienwares operations to create the usb recovery disk times out and is a pain in the ass. last time i used it i had to retry for hours before i got it to work.

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I remember the size of the USB stick had to be much larger than recommended. Think I ended up using a 32GB stick before it worked.

 

I believe I used a new 64GB USB and did reformat it ( I think it makes you reformat )

It took a while and I ejected it after, then rebooted into recovery.

No problem that I can recall


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when you need more power for 1000 Euro in area 51m with 9900k buy amplifier. With 2080ti in alienware amplifier we score 32 000 on stock and 34- 38000 gpu Points in fire strike. Or on stock over 8000 Point i port royal. What are your oc Points at port royal ?

 

I did just open it to repaste the gpu this weekend. I'll have to do a double check to see if that might be it..though I would think it would all work or not work if that was the case. Also getting to the keyboard requires dismantling like the entire laptop after looking through the service manual so what I did shouldn't of had any effect on that portion.

 

In racing there is a term called "sleeper car" it means that the outside of the car looks rubbish but the insides (engine, drivetrain, chassis etc) are all modified up to a point which it smokes everyone it races against. Clevos are the sleepers cars of the IT world. It's all about function not form. Making the Clevo look better won't improve it's performance.

Dell has to make the 51m look nice as it is marketed to people which are not neccesarily enthusiasts. Clevo does not use marketing as the people that want performance know where to get it (just like why ferrari, lamborghini or any other high end brand does not advertise their products).

 

Alright let's get back on topic here, enough of the clevo vs AW stuff, neither side is going to change the other's mind.

 

Agreed - when you select a product, for folks usually there is some overriding factor and frankly it is purely subjective to the individual. Some value quality of build, others performance, while others it may be design. In cars I value reliability first, then style second, and a decent price, therefore I am pretty much wed to Toyota currently. On the laptop front, style matters, but so does relative performance but most importantly, _support in my home and on the road_ which Dell still does, they get my pick as you can be assured that most laptops will have at least one service event during their useful lifetime as they are notoriously unreliable. I could go the XPS route, but the designs are just "meh". Elon Musk values design for instance, and aesthetics matter in satisfaction as well, there is no reason to decry it. I assure you if Clevo's weren't "bland" but outright ugly some of their buyers would look elsewhere.

 

So a little off topic but I was taking mine apart to repaste and decided to pull the 9900k out real quick. So the reason I pulled it was I have a desktop system that's waiting for parts so I decided to try the 9900k in it and put an AIO on it and give it a try OCing it. Well, I am blown away. I am able to get to 5.2ghz 1.32v. I have now since played all sorts of games and run benchmarks. Rock-solid no crash or corruption going on. I ran some stress tests as well and it peaked at 78c on a 360mm AIO. I almost want to leave it in the desktop and get another. But them I go back to thinking the lower voltage and dropping clocks make my laptop be able to control the heat more. But now I know that my 9900k is a pretty good chip. I just thought I would share the story as well as ask if anyone else has tried to see if they got a pretty good chip in their laptop.

 

If you really want to forget about CPU heat in the Area 51m get the i-9-9900KS
that’s what I have 5.0 all cores using throttlestop and my CPU temps are nice, normal gaming sessions in the 60’s , benchmarks hit 70’s and if I really stress it I’ve seen 81.




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Yea I run it at 4.6ghz fro gaming with a -170v. Runs at 50's and not too demanding games and 60's in the more demanding. Overall I am still plenty satisfied with my area 51m setup.