Best Wireless Gaming Mouse?

On a related note, the Logitech G700 is on sale for $56.99 USD shipped after rebate, from B&H Photo.

Link to the NBF thread in Tech Deals & Bargains:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebook-tech-bargains/576401-logitech-g700-57-usd-shipped-after-rebate.html

 

I had Razer Mamba... BEST GAMING MICE I EVER HAD!! but I sold it ....
good size for my hand (Big hands ) and.. was pretty cool, but I hear every time that, Razer's mouses always failed... after some months.
I'm about to buy G700, do you think its a good mouse?? or G9X?

 

If it was the best gaming mouse you ever had then why did you sell it?

 

Yeah, wondering the same thing really...

Also, I think the G700 is the better bang for your buck and it has technically the better sensor on paper than the Mamba, but the battery life on the G700 is on the low side for a wireless mouse. In the end, it is really up to the user to decide which is better, since there are many factors in a mouse that can affect the user's preference like ergonomics and speed etc.

 

You're doing it wrong

So you sold it because you thought it might fail in the future...?

Anyway, my original 2007 1,800 DPI DeathAdder is on its third owner now, and still looking and working good as new...and I originally bought it as a display model for half price from Micro Center, so god only knows how many people played with it before I got to it. All of my other Razer gadgets are at least a year old and working fine as well, including my 3,500 DPI DeathAdder, Mamba, n52te, Orochi, and Carcharias. The headset is the only one I've had to replace, as the mic stopped working at one point. It was replaced under warranty and has had no trouble since then.

 

I had money problems... don't ask.. in my country, it costs about 250$...
and now I can buy but too EXPENSIVE...
so what should I buy?

So should I buy G700?

 

Which country are you from if you don't mind me asking, just curious

 

Does anyone know how often Logitech updates there gaming mouse? I noticed the G700 released July of last year, would it be safe to buy one now?

 

The G700 is so far their wireless flagship and there is no updates for a replacement. Their Three-Year Warranty is really good so if your G700 ever breaks down in the next three years, they most likely send you a new upgraded one free of charge if there is a new one out.

 

Historically, they update a model every 3 years or so.

I would say that it is "safe" to buy one:
(1) Logitech probably isn't going to be releasing an update anytime soon.
(2) If they do release an update, it will be nowhere as good of a deal as a $57 G700
(3) Your Logitech G700 doesn't all of a sudden start being "bad" just because another model is out.

 

I've had a razer mamba, a microsoft sidewinder x8. I've tried logitech G7 and the G700.
But the only that I ever loved is the cyborg RAT9. I've tried to get the best of the best so I bought some and sold and just keeped the cyborg RAT9.
imvho it's the best of the best. if you don't like how it feels you can always ajust and change parts. no other wireless gaming mouse can do that.
Sure you have to try and see how you adapt but when you find your sweetspot in every aspect you will love it.

 

I truly appreciate all the responses here. I still have not made it to Best Buy LOL. But there is no rush I don't even have my comp yet. I will update you all accordingly.

 

If you have bluetooth, then go with Razor Orochi for 65 bucks. It's a great price for a gaming mouse with long battery, and you can still charge it by hooking it up using usb wire to your computer.
I highly recommend it. The aesthetics and overall quality of the mouse is on par with the best of the best.

 

The Orochi's good for a portable mouse, but I wouldn't use it as my main gaming mouse. And Bluetooth is really not good for gaming.

 

Gotta disagree with you here.

In bluetooth mode, the Razer Orochi has relatively low dpi (2000dpi), low polling rate (125hz), and an annoying sleep timeout. It is fine as a wired gaming mouse, as a wireless general purpose mouse, but I wouldnt recommend wireless gaming on it unless you dont care about mouse performance.

 

How are the Logitech Performance MX and Roccat Pyra Wireless compared to all the mice mentioned so far?

The Logitech MX Mouse Keyboard Combo seems pretty good for use as accessories for a laptop? The 1 USB receiver is nice versus having one for the mouse and another for the keyboard. Or are Bluetooth keyboards good enough for gaming such as FPS and RTSs? I am aware that non-Bluetooth wireless is far better for gaming at least for mice.

 

Logitech Performance MX is sold as an office / productivity mouse. Like any mouse, you can use it to play games. But I wouldn't call it a "gaming" mouse. It has a relatively low DPI imaging engine (around 1800dpi), and relatively low USB polling rate (125Hz). The big benefit of the Logitech Performance MX is its Darkfield laser imaging sensor, which lets you mouse on just about any surface (including glass and polished granite). It operates all the time, on any surface, with high reliability. It is the Glock handgun of mice imaging sensors.

The Roccat Pyra mouse uses a relatively low DPI engine (1600dpi), but has a USB polling rate of up to 1000Hz. If you game at lower resolutions, and don't use high DPI settings, then this mouse would work fine as a gaming mouse. Roccat products are highly regarded worldwide; but people in the United States will have problems finding places to buy that mouse, since Roccat has weak distribution in the US (as well as weak support).

 

@OP,

I haven't used G700 so I can't comment on that one.

I still have G7 I bought couple of years back and works fine, except on the highest DPI setting where the mouse cursor behaves little jittery.

Meanwhile I bough Razer Mamba for myself and one for my friend as a gift (only because I had a 90% discount) and while it has couple of bugs, it worked really great otherwise. What happened about 3-4 times (total, in past year) is that it wouldn't register any sideways left-right motion, so I had to reset it. Sometimes the mouse cursor would get stuck too, registering only left and right clicks, so restart fixed that too. This occurred more often, typically, every 5th time or so if you continuously switch it back and forth from wired to wifi mode. The other minor nuisance with Mamba is that it doesn't have 'low battery' indicator in Windows, such as e.g. G7. It happened to me couple of times when I was playing WoW that the mouse would die out in the middle of the raid group, so I had to quickly switch it back to wired mode. This is all with latest drivers and firmware from Razer.

The problem that I have currently is that this bug seem to persist and I can't move the mouse left-right at all any more (lol....). What's worrisome is that my friend is wondering whether his is also going to get stuck like that. When the mouse worked, I had absolutely no issues with precision or anything else. But there does seem to be a design issue. I think it's pretty unlikely that there are the same problems on TWO mice I bought from them, about 1 month apart. Build quality on Mamba seems much better than G7, mainly because I had less dirt problems and I like the rubbery coating on Mamba.

That said Razer [insert any their product here] is certainly not even close to "good bang for the buck" if you're paying full price for them. Since, the G7 is out of production, afaik, the best bet would be to with G700 out of these three you listed. Other than that, as already mentioned I'd look into RAT 7/9 and Steelseries mice (which are all wired, however).

EDIT: You should do some research on Logitech G700 issues.

 

just bought a G700...

awesome mouse

 

Mamba or the G700 are the two obvious frontrunners.

After trying them both, I really think its a matter of personal preference, but the g700 is quite a bit cheaper.

 

Mamba or the G700 are the two obvious frontrunners.

After trying them both, I really think its a matter of personal preference, but the g700 is quite a bit cheaper.

 

I prefer to pay double the price for a Mamba that has a horid imaging sensor and requires a wireless reciever that is the size of a fist.

Honestly, the only buyers of a Mamba would be a one who would think most expensive is best, a person who really wants a good looking mouse or a die-hard razer fanboy.(Or any combinations of them) Cant think of any other reasons really. I know its harsh. Dont get me wrong, the mamba is still a really good gaming mouse in many ways, but the price really dont justify the performance. I do own several Razer products and do like them too.

 

...or maybe that's just your opinion, and some people buy the Mamba because it's a damn good and comfortable mouse.

 

I'd have to agree with him to some degree. Razer is like an Alienware. Good performance and great aesthetics, but a higher price that you pay. Compared to other mice that aren't as aesthetically appealing, but have the same performance at a cheaper price. Basically you're paying for aesthetics, but don't count the performance out either.

 

I'm not denying that Razer stuff is expensive; it definitely is (although I got my Mamba for half price and you can find their stuff much cheaper outside of their official store). I'm disagreeing with the notion that the only reason to get the Mamba is because you think expensive = better (essentially implying that I am an idiot), because you value aesthetics and appearance over function, or because you're blindly brand-loyal.

I can't speak for anyone else, but none of these things are true, and frankly, I'm a bit insulted that I'm being generalized and stereotyped. I bought the Mamba because it is subjectively the best mouse FOR ME.

 

"aesthetically appealing" is subjective...

i guess its the same case as backlit keyboards

most ppl don't need them, but alot of people want them...

 

Im very sure that majority of Razers sales come from buyers who dont know any better and bought Razer products on at least 1 of the 3 reasons i listed above. Fair enough its FOR YOU. I do believe you that you truely love the shape of the Deathadder/Mamba, cos i do too, but in the case of comfort, many ergonomic mouse can match its comfort levels quite closely, it may not feel as comfortable as the deathadder at first, but after using it for awhile, you will forget how it the deathadder even felt. Thats my experience with Alienware Tactx, i bought the Ikari laser based on certain good reviews, at first i thought i made a wrong decision, i prefered the shape of the smaller Tactx, but i eventually grew to love the Ikari Laser even more. Ambidextorous mice are just really the most uncomfortable.

EDIT: Oh and when did I or anyone mentioned your name? I was Generalizing and Stereotyping the Razer community.

 

Hey cool it guys,i do agree some Razer products are over-priced & some are lemon,but not all.I myself own various gaming mice,including the Mamba.I believe from my sig you can see that i am a proud owner of the "good performance & great aesthetics" M15x,which i choose over other "same performance at a cheaper price" lappy because I LOVE IT.& in case you are wondering,i don't earn much & slogged my a** off to buy it.& i believe i am not the only one doing that to afford those "overpriced" gear.Point is,it just happens that Mastershroom likes the "overpriced" Mamba because of how it serves him,not how much it costs him,that's all,& others might be extremely happy with their "$10" mice.

 

Not sure why everyone hates the Mamba's receiver. It's one of the reasons I bought one--I dislike having dangling cords that don't lead to anything while not in use (already have half a dozen of those on my desk). It's also much easier to simply hook the mouse onto the stand than to fiddle around trying to connect things.

Plus, the Mamba is a desktop mouse, so it's not like portability is an issue. Keep an Orochi or Anywhere mouse in your laptop bag and leave the desktop mouse on your desk.

 

Wanted too give a update on my g700 battery life, So far its been great! Over the weekend from friday i left it off charge and Sunday it was blinking red so i kept using it and so far it haven't went dead yet But i had too charge it too take it too work.

Not sure why it got bad comments everywhere about battery life but so far its been great for me and i game alot. Much better battery life than my mamba.

I will try the test again from today and see how long it lasts again too be sure. Sense i use my g700 alot which is at home on my desktop and at work with my m11x.

Or maybe the ones that complaining about battery life saw the blinking red light which they thought the battery is going too die and put it right on charge, But the warning lights seems off and in my case will go for another day or two on the red blinking led.




I also like the dock on the mamba at first when i use too use mine but ever sense i got the g700 i don't miss it at all sense its very easy too connect the g700 on the cable.

Another thing i like about the g700 when the battery is starting too go dead sense it has the wireless dongle also plug in there's no delay plugging in the wire into it like if you in the middle of a game and the battery getting low,
On the mamba it will just quit and you have too pull it out of the dock and plug it in which the mouse is a dead for couple secs so pretty much you will get killed by than on a fps lol, On the g700 the mouse stays alive because it has a backup source if you keep the wireless dongle plug in.


Both mouses are great but i prefer the g700 over the mamba for sensor performance and i like the charging system better and the feel of the g700 which is the main reason i bought it oh and i like the buttons it has like the side buttons which i use the top 2 thumb buttons for volume controls


But for the reliability i never had a razer product fail on me well my diamond back wire did have a short in the first one but every wired mouse can have that problem, I had my black widow ut for about 5month now and i love it and haven't had a problem yet and it still looks good and i game tons. Same goes for my diamond back plasma which i had for over 6years now and my orochi is also working great.

 

Yeah, 2-3 days of battery life on a Logitech G700 is kind of short, in my opinion. When you're dealing with non-gaming mice, you can easily get up to 2 weeks or more before having to recharge.

I realize that 2-3 days of battery life is pretty good for high-performance gaming mice. But it is still a hassle, in my opinion, because I ended up using the mouse in wired mode (while recharging) as much as I do in wireless mode.

To me, managing battery life of 2-3 days is a pain in the butt... which is why I prefer wired mice as my gaming mice.

To me, that

 

2 too 3 days is very long too me lol, Pretty much what i do is just pop the wire in when i go too sleep and when i wake up the mouse is fully charge. But i mostly ony going too do that every 2 too 3 days now sense i know it lasts longer.

Even with non gaming mouses when i used them for gaming they usely would go dead around that or before a week with heavy gaming.

But ya every buddy has there opinions But too me i don't see it being a hassle at all if you charge it when you go too sleep which is just pop in the wire which is easy on the g700.

 

has anyone tried using an alkaline battery on the G700?
does it improve the battery life by much at all?

 

Alkaline battery is not rechargeable. It would work fine - but once you drain the charge, that's that.

The actual battery life would be abotu the same as the rechargeable AA that is already in the mouse. An alkaline battery may last longer, but not by much... we're talking on the ~10% order of magnitude, and not 1000% difference.

 

its ok i dont mind

just that i use alkaline on my other mice, and they can last 3-5 mths..

im guessing that the high polling and dpi really stretches the g700...

 

I will go with Roccat Kova + .... lets try the 6000DPI

 

Yup. That's why you can set up profiles, though. Set up a non-gaming profile and it really does last quite long.

 

talking about it, there are chargers that charge alkaline now, and proven

 

Wouldnt carrying around a separate charger for alkaline batteries sort of defeat the purpose of buying a mouse that can recharge via usb cable?

 

errr.. I'd carry just the fresh battery that charged at home ?

and I'm a rechargeable batteries user *and a wireless freak*, so I prefer the spare batteries concept instead of plugging cable

 

well for me, i bought it because i wanted a wireless gaming mouse,

it didn't have to be rechargeable.. that was just something that had to be accepted =.=

hence i wouldnt mind using alkaline batteries and not charging it

 

Ditto on this. Razer products are overpriced and unworthy. They also have durability issues... but then so does Logitech. Actually Logitech is worse. I have had issue with the mouse button clicks of both Razer and Logitech products.

My Logitech G7 is pretty good as a gaming mouse, except for the short battery life (par for the course for a gaming wireless mouse) so that's ok, and the lousy one thumb button (why remove the other thumb button? Dumb move). But what I hated was how the left mouse button started double clicking after a few months. Had to open it and fix it myself by rebending the copper spring (major pain in the neck).

Had the same issue with Razer.

Surprised nobody's voting the Cyborg RAT Nine. It has a feature nobody else has: single button press sensitivity switching. Incredible for sniper FPS games. *** EDIT ah one person voted for it on Page 7. Definitely the RAT 9 is the best FPS gaming mouse. No other mouse has a "Sniper Button" and man is it really good.

I also got the Roccat Pyra, which is a decent laptop gaming mouse. But has one major headache, worst dongle connectivity ever. The dongle keeps dropping the mouse connection, stupid reliability. I tried two Pyras, returned the first one and second one was exactly the same. Never buying another Roccat product again.

 

A lot of people complain about the sensor on the RAT series, notably Z-axis tracking issues skipping hundreds of pixels at a time. I haven't owned one so I can't comment on it. As for the RAT's sniper button, you can code a macro for any other mouse to do the exact same thing.

There's nothing inherently wrong with Razer or Logitech. They both make good mice, and like any other manufacturer, they can also have defects. My Razer DeathAdder from 2007 still looks and functions just as well as it always has, and I had a Logitech G9 for a little over a year that never gave me any trouble. Same goes for my updated DeathAdder, Orochi and Mamba.

Find me a mouse manufacturer that has never once made or sold a defective product, and I will literally eat my own shorts.

 

The MadCatz Cyborg RAT9:

* Has the Philips Twin-Eye laser sensor, considered by many hardcore mouse enthusiasts to be one of the worst sensors you can find. The sensor has what is known as the Z-axis problem, it skips when tracking on anything except perfect mousing surfaces, and it has small teflon feet.

* Has terrible configuration software.

It's a nice mouse, and has a lot of great things about it. But you can do a lot better for your money than a Cyborg RAT9

 

normally I would choose G700, even after the new mamba.
But I found this baby, which as far as I know,
is the best wireless gaming mouse in terms of price + performance.

a4tech XG-760
X7-Products

- 3200 dpi sensor, with no problem of tracking and lift off
- up to 2ms report rate, which is very enough
- onboard macro, 5 profiles to set
- nano receiver
- better battery life (I think, will report on this later)
- adjustable sleep timeout
- Great software
- and the surprise factor which isn't even mentioned on their site:
the receiver is multilink up to 3 sets of their XG mice and keyboards (Unifying!!)

it's around usd 20 in my place, but hard-to-get item.
with that price and features, there's nothing really to complain about .lol.

 

It has a USB polling rate up to only 500Hz (2ms).

It is made by a Chinese company, with limited distribution in the United States. I would say no to that mouse, because even if you buy it, you're screwed when it comes to support. That is the same reason why I can never recommend a Roccat product to someone living in the United States. They might be the best mice in the world, but if you don't have support, you're flying blind.

 

1ms is overrated. I challenge ones that can feel the difference between 1ms and 2ms
as I said, it's best for price+performance, not the best of all.

as for support, I agree. but fortunatelly it has authorized distributor in my country, so support is fine for me

 

G700 is overall nice. But ughhhh! Can't they just make it with a unifying receiver so then I can get it working with one of their keyboards. Why gimp the nano receiver versus making a specialized g unifying one?

And I don't want to get the Performance MX unless somebody finds it good for fast paced RTS gaming.

 

Because the nano receivers do not go up to 1000Hz / 1ms USB polling rate... only 125Hz.

Nope.

It is an 1800dpi, 125Hz USB polling rate mouse. The only benefit that it has is its Darkfield imaging sensor, which lets you mouse on glass and polished stone. That matters for a travelling business professional runs into glass hotel room desks and granite countertop desks in airport lounges. None of that stuff matters to a gamer.

If you're looking at a wireless gaming mouse, you're going to be looking at one of two products:
* Logitech G700
* Razer Mamba

Pick whichever one out of the two you like better. Because you're not going to do any better than those for a wireless gaming mouse.

 

If the G receiver is so limited, then why advertise the wireless receiver allows for gaming though it might not necessarily be as good as the mouse plugged in?

For gaming purposes, I don't know how much realistic drawback there is with 2 devices. I know the regular Unifying receiver doesn't cut it, but then I don't know the R&D behind the G700 receiver. I guess I can only wish the receiver could add support for +1 Logitech device even if it is only when not gaming.