Gaming Mice THREAD/Diary

Going from 125Hz wireless to 1kHz wired is very noticable for me. I haven't tried comparing 500Hz and 1kHz though.

I was messing around with my mouse again and I have taken a liking to the smaller grip shell with no weights. The mouse is incredibly feather light and quicker for me now. The mouse weighs 109g with the smaller grip shell and no weights. I think I will be settling with this setup.

I also found out that the G9x also uses it's own Logitech driver from it's onboard memory. It doesn't use a universal HID compliant mouse driver from Microsoft.

My god, the Goliathus is huge. I even find my SteelSeries QcK mini to be a little on the big side.

 

It was cheap at Fry's.

 

Upping the polling rate felt like a serious bump in the DPI. You be playing in high sensitivity to see it.

If you make big movements with your mouse, then you won't notice it. For example, I move my mouse side to side with just my thumb or pinkie when I zoom in.

It is kind of odd to watch. It was just the way I grew up using the mouse. I notice the wear pattern on my mousepad is like the width of my mouse plus a half of a inch on each side.

 

I clean my mousepad probably twice a year. A quick dunk in water and a nylon scrub will bring back it back to life.

 

newsflash: dpi doesn't matter. Polling rate doesn't matter. What matters is finding the shape that works best for you. Ask anybody, most pros play with 400 dpi mice. My Deathadder is set to 900 dpi because that's what works best for me when I'm browsing the internet and using other software.

 

News flash!

What the pros use doesn't necessarily mean that's the best fit for you.

DPI does matter. Shape only gets you so far. When you have to move a longer distance to move your friggin cursor a pixel over, your mouse shape won't affect that, even if it was the shape of a Twinkies or a plastic dinosaur.

 

You're right, dpi does matter. But it matters only so much as you have the amount you need. If 2000 dpi is the cursor speed you feel comfortable with - fine! But people seem to equate higher dpi with being better which is not the case. An analogy to this is cameras and megapixels. More megapixels does not necessarily make for a better camera.

If Razer equipped the Mamba with the 1800 dpi 3G sensor I would have seriously considered it. But they went with the inferior 5000 dpi Phillips twin-eye sensor they used in the Lachesis. Of all the sensors Razer has used this one's probably received more complaints than any other. Just read the customer reviews for the Lachesis on shopping sites! No doubt their marketing department knew they would sell more with the Phillips sensor. 5000 dpi is dazzling isn't it? ooooh ahhhh!

 

Do you have a link or reference??

And I don't know what games these 'pros' you're referring to are playing, but I know for damn sure they will not beat me at my one and only game, DoD: Source. I'm ranked top 20 on both servers I play on - first is 8,000 players, and the second is 18,000 players. I didn't make the jump to the top 20 until I switched from an old wireless Logitech 518? that was maybe 1,000 DPI to my G9 at 3200 DPI. Accuracy is everthing in this game. If you want a competitive K : D, you can't leave anything up to chance. With this mouse, I can hit a guy twice with an M1 Garand in two consecutive shots because I can accomodate the recoil now between shots much more smoothly than I could with my old mouse. This mouse's movements are much more seemless than my old one's.

And your analogy to cameras and mega pixels is pretty straight-forward. The theory is right - the more megapixels, the richer the picture. But, the size of the lense and aperture also count too. Obviously those little gadget digital cams for $250 at 12.1 MP aren't going to produce a better photograph than my 10.1 MP Canon dSLR, but the picture size will physically be bigger.

I'm too lazy to read the Razer reviews. Could you sum up the problem with this sensor?

 

Okay, devilcm3. I compared 500Hz and 1kHz over the course of the past few days. I'll put it this way: I can't tell the bloody difference, haha. Both feel identical to me during games. I even let a friend blind test me and I still couldn't tell the difference. However, dropping below 500Hz starts to have that wireless lag kind of feel.

 

Look at it this way. 1000Hz polling means your mouse's response time is 1ms, equivalent to a ping of 1. 500Hz gives you 2ms, which nobody can really differentiate from 1. However, 125Hz leaves you with 8ms, which is a hair more noticeable.

 

1000hz takes up a lot of resources. Open up task manager and look how much of your cpu is utilized while you're moving your mouse around. 125hz takes the least. 500hz is perfect IMO and like mastershroom said, the diff. between 1ms and 2ms is imperceptible.

 

I don't mind. I have more than enough raw CPU horsepower to handle 1kHz.

 

I would think most cpus would have the horsepower to handle a mouse.

 

My old P4M can handle three mice, three keyboards, and a controller. The CPU usage is quite minimal anyway.

When I began using this mouse, part of me was uncomfortable with the smaller scroll wheel; my MX 1100 scroll wheel was bigger. Now it clicks and spins like magic contrary to what other users have been saying.

 

My mouse pad is awfully dirty. I'm hesitant to wash it because it's just a cheapo foam one with a pretty red eyed tree frog on it. I also read that a lot of the gaming pads (basically amazon/newegg reviews, really) wear easily as well.

What do you recommend?

 

I'm using a Razer eXactMat surface + eXactRest wrist pad.

The eXactMat is anodized aluminum and has two sides: one, the "speed" side, is extremely smooth, and your mouse just glides over it effortlessly. I use this side 99% of the time.

The other side, the "control" side, is somewhat rough and textured. It has much more friction so you can't go as fast, but it allows for pixel-precise motion. I suppose some might find it useful, but I never really use this side.

The eXactRest is a removable memory foam wrist rest that you simply lay the eXactMat on top of, whichever side you like, and it's extremely comfortable.

 

I got something similar. It only has one side. It's a black Assop Mousepad. I tend to wear out the cloth ones REAL fast, since I only use one very very small part of the mousepad.

 

i figure i should get in on this mouse talk as ive owned quite a bit of em.

1. regular ball mouse - terrible gotta lift and drag like a million times to get across screen avoid at all costs.

2. regular optical mouse - work decently but has seizure moments on shiny surfaces. it would make my pupils shake when it did that which lead to getting stabbed in cs pretty quickly.

3.first gaming mouse (yes i used lots of garbage mice lol) logitech g5 - very comfortable and worked real well but it just wasnt sensitive enough plus i broke it by stepping on it. good mouse but needed more sensitivity. r.i.p

4. logitech g7 - very good mouse i loved this mouse and it did make me more accurate. not having the added resistance of a cable when i moved it around was a blessing. R.i.P stepped on wireless receiver

5.logitech g9 - this was somewhat of a weird transition as the g9 has somewhat of a weird shape. going back to a weighted mouse made me miss it a little. i used the precision grip as i thought the comfort grip was to "squishy" great sensitivity at full dpi but i could use more but i got used to it fairly quickly. this mouse is thankfully still alive. (steppin on them got expensive fast so i learned my lesson) the only thing i really hate about this mouse is the braided cable. that braided cable is garbage. the actual cable would keep coming outta the braid somehow.(you know you get that !? feeling) this happened alot with the g5 also which was the reason i went with g7 but i figured they woulda fixed this but i guess i was wrong. after a while the cable split and ripped right where it goes into the mouse and it died. well i threw it on a gurney and lifted it into the sky to produce a frakenG9 mwahahaha... i had to rewire the mouse completely and believe me it is a very ugly mouse now, but it still works lol

6. vxnano - i bought this mainly because i wanted a good quality wireless mouse to game on my laptop with. i settled on this one because i couldnt find a gaming grade mouse that had a small receiver i wouldnt break. battery life on this mouse is insane the thing lasts forever. it was a little too small for me but i got used to it. you know i figured since the receiver was mostly usb metal and only a tiny bit stuck out of the laptop that it would be durable... i was wrong. the small receiver plastic shell broke off and basically tore something off the pcb. to this day i have no idea how it happened. i decided that no wireless mouse would be worth purchasing without a means of getting a replacement receiver from in store (online takes too long) R.i.p little guy you died a very young age

7. Razer Mamba - this honestly is my final and last gaming mouse i will ever buy if this thing breaks on me like all the others have. firstly this mouse is way too damn expensive... for real. whats with the fancy packaging? (oh well itll come in handy for my DIY vidock project) anyway this mouse has hit the dpi setting ive wanted all along. very comfortable mouse with a somewhat rubber coated feel to it. the wireless dock it has is big enough and hard enough that i dont think id break it by being stepped on. its just the right size for my hand. i do miss the free scroll from the g9 though. the sensitivity adjustment buttons on this mouse are alot easier for me to hit then on the g9. the wireless performance is amazing. it feels just like being wired but without the cable drag . BRAIDED CABLE!? ooo how i hate thee. hopefully i wont have the problems ive had with the logitech mice with the razer. the mouse is exactly what i was looking for in a wireless mouse. gaming grade, durable receiver and if i do manage to break it then i have an alternative method of use. what i didnt expect was the fact that it connect with a mini b cable. which means if i manage to break the wireless receiver and the cable i can just use a regular mini b cable . the mouse had a few flaws when i bought it with 1.3 firmware but an upgrade to firmware 1.6 fixed all the issues i had with it.

if there is anything you want to know about any of the mice i mentioned above feel free to ask.(dont ask about the ball mice id rather not ever think about those ever again)

 

Protip: stop putting your mice and receivers on the floor and you won't step on them!

Also, I never had issues with my G9's braided cable. I liked it a lot more than regular rubber cables. In fact, I'd say that's the one advantage the G9 had over my current Razer DeathAdder.

 

Ah, Ball mice.

Back before optical, Ball Mice use to get me killed because of the way I flicked my mouse. Whenever I made a quick 180, I would flick the mouse hard enough to where either the ball would keep spinning or the little rollers inside would keep spinning. Dust and oil would degrade the surface of the roller and the ball, thus reducing the friction of the mechanism. The Microsoft Mice actually held up better than the Logitech mice in my situation.

Until the optical mice, the only other solution was to just flick the mouse slower.

 

I have not used a ball mouse in ten years. Best ten years of my life!

 

LOL :laugh:

 

Read the whole thread, thought maybe I could get some good opinions here. I'm needing to buy a new gaming mouse, but am rather sad that I can't find a wireless mouse that fits my needs. I would LOVE to buy the Mamba, but it's a little big for my hand. Not super comfortable. I've been wondering if I would adjust to it if I bought it, but don't feel like playing the return game if it doesn't work for me.

As far as size, the Logitech G9x feels pretty good in my hand (through the box, at Fry's lol). The Sidewinder also felt decent. I would buy the G9x in two seconds flat if it were wireless... Obviously I really want wireless. I prefer to sit on the floor with my Asus G71 on a little table when I game, and not having to deal with a mouse cord would be ideal.

Anyway, anyone have any thoughts/recommendations for me?

 

If your G71 has bluetooth, try the Razer Orochi.

 

I have the Sidewinder X8, and it was a fantastic investment. The wireless works flawlessly, battery life is great, and I have yet to encounter any sort of lag. I highly suggest it if you're not working within a budget.

 

That would be great, but unfortunately no bluetooth.

Hmm, I will have to find a store that carries it - I haven't seen it at Fry's or BB, and definitely need to feel it out before buying. But thanks for the suggestion - this one had fallen off my radar.

 

**Edit: I'm a claw gripper. If I can't find my dream wireless mouse then wired is acceptable. So please keep opinions/suggestions coming. ;D

 

I ordered my X8 from BestBuy online. Received it about 3 days later. As well, it is comfortable for both palm-grip and claw-grip playing styles.

 

I got the G9 this week for $59.95 @ NCIX and I must say, huge improvement over my MX Revolution.

The grip takes awhile to get use to but 3200 DPI is waaaaaaaaaaaaay to fast. The whole 5000 DPI from G9x is soooo unnecessary. I rather they put the new "Logitech® Darkfield Laser Tracking" technology from their new MX series. I was using my friends Anywhere mouse MX and that thing is F**ken amazing. It works on top of glossy text book cover and mirrors.

When you are using 3200 DPI, a flick of the wrist means 720 degree spin (FPS games). @@

 

Just an FYI, you can buy BT modules (sit in the USB port, maybe protrudes the computer profile by no more than 1/4") now for $15.00.

 

Just how I like my mice, fast.

 

+1

But 3200 is too much even for me. 2800 is the sweet spot for now. When i bump up from 1680, then maybe I'll bump my dpi.

 

3200dpi is perfect for all my FPS games. I go crazy when someone sprays a DDR gamepad on the floor in cs_office.

 

You start hopping up and down on it, don't you.

 

Even if your laptop doesn't have Bluetooth built in, you can get a USB Bluetooth dongle, they're about the same size as any other wireless mouse USB dongle. That way you can still use the Orochi with Bluetooth. Or, if you're handy with a screwdriver, you can install an internal Bluetooth card into your laptop.

If wired is okay, check out the Razer Lachesis. It's definitely a claw-style mouse, although it might be a bit big. The Salmosa may be good for you as well.

 

Didn't know that, thanks for the info.

I think I'll check out the bluetooth dongle/Orochi option. If we were talking desktop I'd trust myself enough to install an internal card, but not with my baby (laptop). Lol. Salmosa is out, need more buttons... My hesitation with the Orochi is that I don't want to order online without handling the mouse first. I'm rather picky about the feel (even had my work give me a different mouse for my comp here), so I really want to check it out before deciding. But thanks for the suggestions - I will definitely be looking in to all this...

 

HAAHAHAHHAHA. Ohhhh, good times in CS.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833340012



This is what I/shroom were talking about.

 

The Razer Orochi runs at a 2000 DPI and a 8ms response time while being used in BT. It comes with a 3ft cable, when plugged in, requires no batteries (~90g w/out batteries & ~140g w/) and operates at a 4000 DPI rating and a 1ms response time. If you're going to be using this mouse for gaming it is highly recommended that you use it while attached to a cord.

 

Hmm, no ability to adjust DPI or polling rate while in Bluetooth mode? Damn. I'd be willing to sacrifice some battery life in order to keep the 4,000 DPI and 1000Hz/1ms polling, although it may be a limitation of the Bluetooth connection itself.

 

I'm fairly sure that the polling rate is limited in regard to the Bluetooth connection. However, you are still able to use "on the fly" DPI switching, with 2000 DPI being the limit. I've read elsewhere that it doesn't notify you of the change, like it does when you are in wired mode, but it will change to your desired DPI selections.

 

Wireless FTL

 

Yes, Bluetooth is quite dated now. I only posted the link to the adapter to help narrow down what I was talking about.

 

The Razer Mamba would like a word with you.

 

G9 > Mamba. Costs less That means more Steak dinners for me.

 

have you even tried a razer mamba? if you think the g9 is better your crazy. i own both of these mice and even though the g9 is a great mouse i dont see how its better then the mamba in any way. equal in some aspects but the mamba has more going for it.

 

Such as? 10char

 

Having both the G9 and Mamba, I'd personally say I prefer the mamba myself. It's a bit more comfortable for me (It may just be personal preference) and not having wires that sometimes interfere with my gaming really does help a lot. And for some reason, I use high DPIs for some FPS games since I tend to not move my mouse a lot So the 5,600 DPI's very handy in my case. (Especially a cramped table)

I'm a bit interested in the Razer Naga though... Does anyone have it and would like to share their thoughts on it? It looks a bit... Meh 12 macro buttons lol

 

It's a mouse specifically made for MMOs and strategy games.

 

Well yes but are the macro buttons not too... Close-ish to each other? It seems to just be lined up in a packed order and you might mis-click a lot o.o And what about the button mapping? Is it easy to use or just plain a pain in the ?