HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray.

the PS3? sales of those aint so sweet anyways

also blockbuster aint everywhere

 

It seems like you aren't up to date with blu-ray/PS3 news.

PS3 launch helps Sony Pictures sell over 180,000 Blu-ray Discs in Europe
http://techdigest.tv/2007/07/sony_pictures_t.html

Blu-ray: 5 to 1 Edge Over HD DVD Players
http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluray062007.htm

Blockbuster's Blu-ray Endorsement Having Major Impact on HD DVD Player Sales
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hd-dvd-o...ajor-impact-on-hd-dvd-player-sales-270313.php

 

So basically this war is going to be all about marketing (and seems that sony is winning even thoguh the HD DVD seems a better choice durable = good)

 

NO I have read up, I know the PS3 will help sell blu-ray stuff, its just not as big a seller as it cud/shud be

and i know about blockbuster, but as I said, blockbuster isnt exactly everywhere in the world.

dont see how blu-ray has a 5 to 1 edge. a slight scratch cud render your precious disc useless.

cuz its in more households? hmm yeah but we should not forget that in 5-10 years time our beloved high def discs will become obsolete and u have to go and buy them all over again thanks to the boys in marketing.

I bet they already have the next 2-5 generations of disc formats lined up to suck your money lets be frank, whichever one wins, the consumer will lose, the consumer always loses

 

Well, there is the thing that when u buy the ps3, u can have any 5 bluray titles (dunno if it is worldwide or just the US) for free. Maybe that is where the 5-1 edge came from.

 

good point. i wonder how much you can get for trading those dvds in. that'll take the price tag of the PS3 down if you don't want any of those titles.

 

its not people who have ps3's thts gunna win the format win the format war for blue ray, it will be regular consumers, who dont care about endorsements, storage, or interactive features, which is where blu ray has the advantage technologically, you can buy an hd dvd player that does the same damn thing for half the price of a blu ray player, so how does that make ANY sense to the regular consumer. hd dvd had it from the second they were cheaper than sony.

 

Emm.. i google some of the news of bluray, it says that, for the ones in US, u ll get 5 free blu ray movies when u buy ANY blu ray machines..

 

hd dvd has the same offer..

 

now lets say this, yes bluray stores more data, but are you really gonna notice this in a movie? r u really going to glue your forehead to the screen? if u are well then i dont really think u are mentally qualified to vote in this poll or participate in any decision making of any kind watsoever. of course you wont be able to with your forehead permanently glued to that HD screen of yours.

 

As u said, there are 57 ppl who had their heads glued to the tv and voted... HD-DVD fanboi..

 

For the life of me I can't figure out why there are ANY hd-dvd fans. It seems to me like it's just anti-Sony and that's the only real reason they have.

I feel like I"m only one that sees it as clear as it really is
BluRay: more storage
HDDVD: less storage
simple

 

Yes you will notice it in a movie but besides that I don't give a crap about movies, there are plenty of other uses than just movies
TV shows will benefit and my personal reason, PC's will benefit

 

how till tv shows benefit? and also PCs?

u think that will mean they will put whole tv seasons on one disc? LOL that will reduce some companies ability to sell them 1 disc at a time. and games? yeah cuz in all these that DVD came out we have seen every game use the DVD format. it will be like the ps3, theyll charge u more cuz its on a disc that is "expensive" to make.

the difference between 30 and 50GB will be noticeable? LOL i guess we all think we're superman now i think there's a limit to what the human eye can distinguish but you think when this limit has been reached (if it hasnt already), will these companies tell you? or will they try and wipe that info out to promote the new formats people will always be forced to move to? we saw it with VHS to DVD and now DVD to the new formats.

but one other thing lottdod if u see it clearly then u wud see the pitfalls of each format. more storage on a media of questionable durability is useless media if it is rendered unusable. then your more storage will be no storage. so in turn your statement should/could read

BluRay: no storage
HDDVD: storage

but it aint so simple so it cant be clear cuz if it is clear, then you havent taken in everything

 

There's no way in hell I'd upgrade just from 5 gb to 15 gb. 25gb is awesome though, I need it for PC storage.
The question is- WHY would anyone be pro-HDDVD when BluRay has more storage? Who cares what the benefits are, it has more storage

 

already said why and if u read through this u will see that the problem with blu-ray is #1 cost of moving to the format for production lines #2 durability issues when disc gets scratches becomes unreadable #3 due to its delicate lens requirement, writing to bluray will be difficult and greatly increases the number of coasters.

so yes u will have a medium with lots of storage capacity that MAY successfully burn a disc or else u will end up paying huge amounts of cash for a small frisbee and if it gets scratches, even light ones might render data unreadable.

your reasoning that it is better because it stores more is like asking if a desktop hard drive is better than a notebook drive, one has better capacity but the other is more portable. another example is the desktop PC vs the laptop. the desktop clearly can have better specs but would you carry it around with your everywhere? your reasoning basically states that you would

 

whatever man excuses excuses, it's just sony hate
prices fall rapidly

 

lol sony hate

im the one with excuses when you say HDDVD ppl are for it cuz they hate sony lol thats genius man! well guess what? I owned a SONY PS2 til moved overseas, had a SONY PSX before that. I have a SONY PSP and I have NEVER owned an Xbox or 360. yeah im a real Sony hater lol oh and by the way I only have one HDDVD movie that I got free with a laptop that didnt give me a choice of optical drive and i have never even opened said free movie

seems you been proven wrong once again

 

ok doesnt bother me
the extra storage on my pc will be nice tho

 

pfft MS hater(somehow that aint so bad) come to think of HP and Toshiba hater too LOL

 

ms doesnt make hddvd
i have a 360 for christ's sakes and am all into windows

 

no, but ms are supporting hddvd.

 

I'm going to go with Blu-ray. I've heard lots in the mainstream about it. HD-DVD, there seems to be little chatter about.

 

so?
message was too short

 

so you haven't done your reasearch? you are just going to go blueray because you've heard more about it? is that what you do with your laptops?

 

ok then, if you need it spelt out.

you are saying that people that support hddvd are sony haters.

I don't know how you come to this conclusion. same with some other guy that said, that you must be a ms hater because you are supporting blueray.

you then said that ms don't make hddvd's, and filling in the blanks (so i'm obviously not a ms hater).

but ms are backing them. we are using the same logic that you used. how can you say that we are sony haters. i have a ps1, 2 and 3. you can't say i'm a sony hater. so our statements are just reflecting your ignorance and stupidity.

EDIT: plus if your message is under 10 chars, just mash the keyboard

 

that makes no sense
that's like saying someone is a Universal Studios hater for not liking which ever format they are on or something. MS does NOT make HDDVD, however Sony makes BluRay. I mean I can't think of any other reason why someone with half a brain and a sense of logic would pick a format (considering they'll BOTH drop in price rapidly) that has less storage space than the other

 

ok, ok. you don't get my point. just becasue we don't support sony and blueray, doesn't mean we are sony haters. If you are using HD media for storage, you will want it to last. and when you put your 25gb blueray disk with all your family photos in your cupboard, you want to be able to look at them at a later date. if you can't, your going to be pissed aren't you. I'm all for bigger storage, but when that storage has a high (comparible to a hddvd disk) chance of failure, its pointless having a massive capacity.

plus if you've read through this thread, you would know that hddvd are going to be made in tripple layer as well, which will give it a similar capacity to blueray.

 

OMG i was about to tell the guy above you that he shudnt call you ignorant or stupid but damn after all the stuff I gave you, you still dont see the reasoning behind why someone would pick one over the other.

i mean its ok if u still support bluray but not being able to see why others dont is something ridiculous.

and btw price drops dont mean they will be cheap, just means the price will drop. for example DL DVDs are still significantly more expensive than SL DVDs despite being in the market for a very long time and new formats being released. sure it dropped in price but there is a limit to a price drop.

 

you two are quite uninformed about bluray's durability
exactly FOR the reason it is so dependant on not being scratched they have made them extra durable. They are more durable than HDDVD
I swear the excuses are getting ridiculous nowadays
WHAT IS THE REAL REASON YOU ARE FOR HDDVD?

 

where did you get that information from?

 

i dont do research for others

 

LOL the durability of bluray is in question because they have developed it but have yet to fully test it. fact is it will be a long time before anyone truly knows if the discs will stand the test of time. with HDDVD this is not necessary because they use the same protection DVDs use and they have been out for years. I have already mentioned this in a previous post, early on in the discussion, clearly proving you have not bothered to be informed yourself

 

what's the big deal here
dont scratch your discs nuff said

 

LOL geez you really dont seem to know much about discs do ya? if not scratching them was so easy then they wouldnt put special coatings on them to prevent scratches.

if we had ppl like u in every industry out there we wouldnt have airplanes that warn pilots if theyre landing too fast (or worse you would be saying "dont crash your plane"), we wouldnt have cars with airbags, its ok no big deal just dont have any car accidents lol we dont need doctors, just dont get sick

 

wow you're quite amazing
did you just read what you said?
They put special coatings on them to prevent scratches
EXACTLY!

But either way, if HD-DVD "won" and became the standard I would never bother. Why upgrade just for a measly 10 gigs?

 

no actually you are quite amazing i must commend you for not bothering to read up on everyone who has contributed to this topic. i mean you really make it obvious when you select to ignore some comments, i tell you that the coating used or will be used in bluray discs needs time to prove itself and all u say is just dont scratch them LOL

well why wud u need a scratch proof disc if u cud easily just not scratch them

measly 10GB? is this what you said when you went from CD to DVD too? i guess at that time you were called the hater of whoever was pushing DVD technology at the time too

 

wtf is a wud?
scratch coating or not I have a simple plan: don't scratch them.

CD: ~600MB
DVD: ~4500MB
an increase of 750%

DVD: ~4500 MB
HDDVD: ~15000 MB
an increase of 330%

DVD: ~4500 MB
BluRay DVD: ~25000 MB
an increase of 550%

anyway I'm going to wait until BluRay is cheap (already gettin cheaper and cheaper), in the mean time I'm going to buy a fleet of My Book 500Giggers

 

why are u buying external enclosures? for backup? just dont let your desktop/notebook drives crash. its simple plan: dont drop em

and yeah those mybookers are good value

 

media/tv/movies take up a lot of space
I am going to set up a media center

BluRays would be a nice way of backing all that up in a permanent way.
If one of the MyBooks crash it wouldn't be a big deal but it would be nice to have them backed up

I have a LOT of stuff on a 200GB external that I really need to back up but regular DVDs just aren't going to cut it

 

its would in laymans terms.

good luck with that policy. have you never scratched a dvd?

size isn't the only thing that matters (man that sounds corny)

cheap is relative. compared with hddvd, blueray will never be cheap.

 

to me, size is the only thing that matters
um yes bluray will be cheap
one day I'll be able to go into target and get a spool of 50 for $30.. not bad at all

 

besides, as far as HDTV video quality goes, they're both the same more or less

 

HD-DVD makes sense price wise...but that's it.

I wanted HD-DVD to win, but I'm coming to the reality that Blu Ray will come out on top. You want to know which DVD format will win for movies? It's the one that actually has movies..haha. Think about it. Almost everything on HD-DVD is also on Blu Ray except Universal movies. Everything else is on Blu Ray. And many movies are Blu Ray only because most studios support only Blu Ray.

If the studios were giving support to both, HD-DVD would win because storage isn't that big of a deal. Both let you watch 1080p movies on your HDTV. But again, the movies are everything.

One of Toshibas core partners, Microsoft, doesn't even really want HD-DVD top win anyway. Everyone knows MS is trying to stall Sony's format long enough so that consumers can receive digital downloads once the infrasturcture is there to support it (think FIOS connections and such). Toshiba is in trouble here and investing in HD-DVD only stuff is not a good idea. At best, they'll find a way to tie. At worst, they go out within 10 month because they have no support.

And by the way, I don't really care about the Matrix triology...haha.

 

LOL 50 for 30? yes that maybe a reality but i have already given u an example of a format that after several years has barely fallen in price. you will probably find a better format before you will even buy 25 for 30. and there is yet to be any guarantee that writing to bluray will be viable for the typical consumer but u wud have known that if u had bothered to read this thread.

 

It's reasonable to assume that Blu Ray will be out on top for 10 years or so, just as the lifetime of DVD...maybe a bit longer. In fact, longer makes sense because I'm not really sure how much more clear the picture can become to the human eye anyway. That is, is it even possible to develop a crisper format to replace Blu Ray? I don't think so.

Prices have falled A LOT in the last year. The PS3 for example just got cut by $100 itself. I would expect this technoogy to become the standard very soon.

 

The PS3 is a dying machine that is being flogged cheaper to attempt to recoup the costs of manufacturing. It would have been suicide on Sony's part if they did not do something to make the PS3 more attractive as the general public, if you haven't noticed, around the world have been buying the Wii and the X-Box 360. There is a reason why Nintendo's stock is beating Sony at the moment.

On the matter of Blu-ray winning. Blu-ray at present will not win… and neither will HD-DVD. They are still too young a format to win anytime soon. The only thing you can do is look to the past performance of optical media to reflect what is most likely to happen in the future.

In relation to size. At present, the vast majority of users who buy HD-DVD and Blu-ray content do so to watch movies. Unless they start to add features to Blu-ray movies that take up large amounts if space then there is no point in arguing about size this, size that. Until they bring out media that will backup a large portion of users data reliably, then neither format will win in the PC market.

 

Comparing one of those 3d animated movies on dvd on my 29 inch sony wega to one of the hd/bluray players on large lcd panels on display at electronic stores, I still think the crt is sharper particularly at closer ranges. Which leads me to believe these formats really only matter on large panel tvs. Which in turn requires sufficient room to enjoy them in, but not everyone has pimped out home theatres, rather not everyone has the disposable income to be home theatre enthusiasts. So I think for awhile, no one will really care, especially when dvd players are selling for $30 as opposed to $1300 for a hd dvd/blu-ray combo player (with no mic inputs either! pff!). The gains are simply not as drastic as the change from vhs to dvd. Also, unless I am mistaken, the pornography industry was one of the more prominent reasons why vhs was favoured over beta? So perhaps to see who will win let us look to porno! What will they choose as their standard...

 

I voted blu-ray

 

McKillenstein are u trying to promote pornography here or something, telling us to watch porn LOL

yeah are the porno ppl siding with a format?