HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray.

Don't underestimate the power of porno...porno power...

 

see now if elections were all about porn, everyone would vote for their favorite pornstar, who cares about them dumb politicians LOL if they changed bluray or pornray then we wud definitely know the winner hehehe

 

The porn industry has decided on HD-DVD as their new format of choice. Whether this will play out as before remains to be seen as Laserdisc was not exactly the revolution that everyone at the time thought it was.

 

I think it is HD DVD. Only one study (porn) backing HD DVD NON-exclusively
read wikipedia

 

Yea Sony has issues with Disney that prevent pron distribution on their format. All the Blu Ray developers are supposed to stay away from pron but at least one of them is crossing the line

Will it win the war for HD-DVD? No... The Internet has all the free porn anyone could want nowadays. Why buy an expensive disc for it when you can download it haha.

Rsearie,

I think you make a good point about the PS3 being weak. Yet it still has pushed a lot of Blu Ray techology. I don't think the PS3 is going to disappear off store shelves in a year so it will continue to push the technology for a long time.

Just like game consoles, it gets down to content. What, exactly, does HD-DVD have that the other format does not? Hardly anything. There are like 5 or more exclusive studios for Blu Ray.

Regarding PC market, it's sort of split but Dell is pretty hard behind Blu Ray. HP I think will abandon HD-DVD rather easily. Toshiba of course will stay to the end. But I mean, if can reliably back up 50gbs of data...why wouldn't it win the PC market? Most systems don't even have HD-DVD writers anyway. Very rare.

 

cuz downloading a full movie is illegal? LOL preventing a particular part of the media industry from using your format will just keep the other format around longer.

as for backing up data, they have to find a way to reliably backup 25GB before they can start with 50 and as yet it seems this isnt 100%.

also if they do manage this, there is no guarantee the price/cost will make it commercially viable.

HD-DVD doesnt have this problem at least not to a similar extent. so perhaps in the backup department one format will win while in the movies the other format will dominate. so in the end we will end up with two different formats for different uses.

 

Unfortunately that is true; the PS3 will be here for a good while yet. It has amassed a lot of Blu-ray users to the fold but it has not nearly done as well as the PS2 in making it people's preferred DVD playback device. I know I was happy with the PS2 doubling up as my DVD player as they were still pretty expensive when the PS2 came out.

I like how Microsoft have the availability of a HD-DVD drive for their console, regardless of whether they decided to bring it out to challenge the PS3 or not, as it bridges the gap nicely for those who look at the PS3 users as having a HD player by default. The additional benefit of this is that it is a choice to have, not something shoved down your throat in order to play your latest games.

I do hope the disc manufacturers endeavour to increase the complexity of the HD disc formats quickly and efficiently to handle more data, as I for one do not want to have to rely on either internal/external hard drives to make a long lasting backup.

 

Here here. HD-DVD all the way

 

wow what a thread. I voted BD. That is why my only next-gen console is PS3. I am considering buying XBOX to enjoy HD DVD as well. Looking for BD laptop as my next.

 

HD DVD does have one huge advantage on their side: price.
the cheapest HD DVD player is what $240? the cheapest blu-ray is easily double that.

 

That's true, but price is only a temporary difference. The price has fallen a lot and it will continue to do so. I remember when DVD players were $200 And not $20! haha...so yea, prices fall.

HD-DVD will not win unless they get movie studios to support them. It's that simple. If I make a list of movies I want, there are a lot more on Blu Ray. I wanted to like HD-DVD but if I got it, they wouldn't have nearly the same level of movie quality. Content wins a war, not pricing.

Are there any HD-DVD writers in North America? I know on laptops it's virtually unheard of except in asian markets and even then it's rare. This is another thing that'll hurt them bad. They offer a cheaper alternative, but you can't use it for backing up...so what good is it?


LOL AND WHO SAID DOWNLOADING PRON IS ILLEGAL? I don't know what you might be watching...haha. But you can legally download stuff from places online. I don't, but it's common knowledge.

 

You're all wrong. It's all about the HVD!

 

no ****, why would i pay double for something that does the exact same thing.....like why would i buy an alienware laptop...

 

also hd dvd just got alot more support, i think its just disney not with hd dvd, titles such as 300 are only coming out on hd dvd, and i know theres more to come, if u go to the hd dvd webby theres all the supporters and im pretty sure is just disney whos not with them now

 

Well, even if HD DVD gets more support frankly Blu-Ray has the most. Especially with the direct backing of Sony Pictures (big titles like Casino Royale, Spiderman 3). I think Blu-Ray has the lead right now, and will probably continue to as long as Sony keeps pushing for more studio support and adds more "exclusive titles" from their Sony Pictures lineup. I can't see HD DVD's comeback right now...they don't really have anything to push that.

 

haha what are you talking about, this quarter of the eyar hd dvd blu ray released 63 titles and hd dvd released 70, and considering spiderman 3 sucked i doubt tht will have extreme impact on anything, they can push for more support all they want, but considering there main studios just signed with blu ray aswell is foretelling that they know which format will end up on top. you tell me how many people can afford a 600 dollar blu ray player. I know for a fact a h*ll of alot more can afford a 300 dollar hd dvd

 

you know how long it took for the industry to go from a $200 player to a $20 one? we are talking about years and not months. it will be at least 1-2 years before prices of players fall to $200 , probably longer for bluray than HD-DVD. and yeah spidey 3 sucked, bluray should lose simply cuz that terrible flick will come out and every1 will know if that crap movie is on it then it must be the right format for bad movies

 

Yea but in the last year alone, we've seen the prices almost get cut in half for the stand-alone Blu Ray player (and HD-DVD as well). It's certainly a trend that should continue. I'm not saying they'll be $20 haha.


Narsnail,

You're in denail man I was once like you. Got my 360. I am a former UMD disc owner who watched that Sony format flop. But...the evidence here is really much stronger.

300 is by Time Warner who supports both formats. 300 will be on both HD-DVD AND Blu Ray. In fact, the Blu Ray version is slightly cheaper

http://www.amazon.com/300-Blu-ray-G...4-0245537?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1184438532&sr=8-3

Here is a list of other reasons:
1. Blockbuster Video will only rent Blu Ray movies inside their store. This will push more consumers to buy more Blu Ray capable hardware just at the appearance that HD-DVD will not have support. Appearance is critical in the format war.
2. Manufacturers: On the manufacturing side, Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Sharp, Dell and Apple support Blu-ray.

HD DVD, on the other hand, enjoys support from Toshiba (which developed the format), NEC and Sanyo.

When you are relying on NEC and Sanyo, you're in trouble

3. Movie Studios: Currently, the Blu-Ray technology, backed by Sony, has gained strong support from Hollywood. Disney, 20th Century Fox, and Sony Pictures have all released Blu-ray discs.

Currently, HD DVD technology is supported by Universal Studios, which releases its high-definition movies exclusively on HD DVD, but it is the only major studio to use the technology.

Time Warner releases both formats. Lionsgate can be added to the Blu Ray only group. I imagine Universal will look at the numbers and give up eventually.

4. It's so bad in fact, that the EU has launched an investigation into why the format was is go one-sided. Is it rival companies trying to put a select few out of business?

I'm not a big Blu Ray fan or anything. I'm just being realistic. Posting this information because I think a few of you are fooling yourselves here You'll wake up one day and wonder why your HD-DVD collection has gone the way of Betamax. But it didn't happen overnight. It's happening in the last few months. It's happening right now as we speak.


It doesn't matter if HD-DVD players were $20. If there are no movies to show on it, it's a worthless coaster for your drinks

 

Yes prices drop quite hugely in the beginning but they reach a limit and either stay or fall in smaller numbers and intervals.

in the end i think we should put our faith in porn, it has never let us down. u know wat they say without porn, you're torn

HD-DVD could win the writable market as burning to them is more reliable, as I said we could end up with two formats for two different purposes.

 

If HD-DVD writers start popping up! I can buy Blu Ray writers from Dell and other major vendors right now. Toshiba is the only HD-DVD writer producer that I know of (HP sells read only HD-DVD). And those Toshibas, last I saw, were not available here in the USA very easily.

 

actually HP sells the writer, checked yesterday

as for dell, i tried configuring a 17" notebook off them but didnt get the bluray writer option, just a reader for $500 or soemthing

the toshibas are toshiba samsungs (well my HD-DVD reader is) so i guess maybe samsung will have them too?

EDIT: checked again it is a bluray writer at $536

 

Yea almost every Blu Ray drive is also a writeable drive, even in laptops.

What HP did you see that is writeable? I have never seen an HP laptop that has writeable HD-DVD. What model were you referring to?

 

Okay, just checked HP. They must have added the writer option recently. Before they only offered the HD-DVD reader option.

Interesting note though. The HD-DVD writer is nearly a smuch as the Blu Ray writer!!!!!! Which doesn't make sense for them because why would someone buy the writer for HD-DVD when for less than $100 more, they can get double the writing capacity of up to 50gb discs?

What I said regarding Blu Ray being almost entirely Read AND Write is still accurate. I can't recall any read only Blu Ray drives come to think of it.

 

HP has offered (in USA) Blu-ray Writer (hooray) combined with HD DVD reader for its pavilion DESKtop model. That is one. The other optical drive is HD DVD only.
While for business notebooks (at least in UK), HP offered DVD and Blu-ray only. No option for HD DVD.
Most pavilion notebook still carries DVD writer, and some carries HD DVD. No option for BD ( )
While I plan to buy Pavilion HDX9000 soon, I'll wait till a nVIDIA and BD drive model released, or swap the HD DVD with BD spare part for VAIO AR when I got it, and if it is possible, making HD DVD external.

About movie studio, I rarely watched Universal movies my whole life (the only film I really love from Universal is "Death Becomes Her"). I watched a lot of Disney movies, 20th Century movies, and Warner movies mostly. That is one reason I support BD. Secondly, I am a Sony freak. Everything I own (except computers, which is HP for me) is Sony (PS3, PS2, PS1, PSP, TV, Hi-Fi, Dolby system, walkman). Thirdly it has more space, and I need more space.

 

I think it all depends on how the format war plays out. If HD-DVD starts taking the lead then I imagine certain "exclusive" Blu-ray studios, bar Sony obviously, will start to support both formats. At the end of the day, the studios are about making money and if Blu-ray tanks then they are going to jump ship very fast. The last thing the studios want is for their stock to plummet due to a relationship with a company who has a dying format on their hands.

This could happen to either HD-DVD or Blu-ray, it all depends on various factors previously outlined in this thread.

 

good old hd dvd making a come back. just what i like to see.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/home-theatre/hd-dvd-in-full-swing/2007/07/17/1184559777632.html

yes, i know this is australian, and you guys probably don't care, but that's where it all happens for me.

 

HD-DVD is supported by Universal, Warner Bros.,Paramont,Newline,HBO, and the most important Microsoft. It's over, Blue-ray just dosen't know it yet

COM

 

cant forget intel

 

Someone should give me a HDTV so I can test out both.

 

they look the same.

 

Oh yeah well... Toagosei is backing HVD!

 

lets imagine that both formats were comparably priced. would you still support hd dvd over bluray?

 

2 main reasons I support HD-dvd over blu-ray right now is price and finalized specs in terms of interactivity. Once blu-ray specs are finalized, i will look into getting a blu-ray player.

 

What's so special about Toagosei backing up HD-DVD?

1.) What is this Toagosei company? What do they do?

2.) Most movie industries back up Blu-Ray rather than using HD-DVD. (I'm not saying ALL movie industries are backing up Blu-Ray, but most of the big ones)

 

I don't care which company are behind either format; my main concerns are durability, price, content and availability in that order. If Blu-ray stored its data in a similar fashion to DVD or HD-DVD then they would be as easy to damage as each other, therefore rendering most arguments null and void when this concern is voiced.

I for one intend to have my Blu-ray or HD-DVD collection, depending on which I end up buying, a very long time and the lifetime of the disc itself will play a huge part in my purchase. At the moment, based upon the facts alone, I would go with HD-DVD. Not only are they cheaper but also they are durable and long lasting in comparison to Blu-ray. They might not have the backing from the movie studios that Blu-ray has but as I’ve mentioned before, the studios will go where the money is.

 

None of the above?

 

http://www.toagosei.co.jp/english/
Not too sure what they do.

 

Blu-ray has pretty much already won, overwhelmingly better retail support, more studio support, and they've been ahead in sales 3:1, 4:1, 5:1, and possibly more in the past few months. I don't see how people can ignorantly argue HD-DVD is winning at all while the current sales numbers show otherwise.

 

I don't think HD-DVD is out of the race just yet. Looking at the figures it does look like overall Blu-ray is in the lead but it is not by as much as people would like to believe. HD-DVD and Blu-ray are constantly being touted as the "leader" in any given month.

This month it seems to be HD-DVD claiming the win but I’m sure Blu-ray will come out with a rebuttal advising that they are the overall winner.

 

What about a blu ray and hd dvd player

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8203311&st=lg+player&type=product&id=1165610378688

then you dont have to choose :3

 

kickdim, it's great that LG have released a dual-format player but we shouldn't have to pay over €1000 for it. I would personally appreciate a few more dual-players out there so that the price will be driven down faster and make it an easier choice for consumers. Hopefully we see something soon because I don't know how much more I can take of new HD-DVD and Blu-ray players being launched, while the dual-format players we've been promised are stuck in tech limbo.

 

I guess you can now officially mark HD DVD as a dead format. Since the major announcement that Blockbuster will only carry BluRay format movies for rental another blow to HD DVD came today when Target announced they will only carry BluRay machines and movies.
With this announcement WalMart wont be far behind.

 

Microsoft just announced their XBOX 360 HD DVD players will drop from $199.99 to $179 + 5 FREE HD DVDs in retaliation to Target's marketing strategy.

 

i think that blu-ray will win in the end, because they can store slightly more information on a single disc (despite using the same laser wavelength).

however, HD-DVD will continue to survive until the price of blu-ray drops.

my two cents, right there.

 

The rental market is and will kill HD DVD.
Most of you wernt around when the vhs vs betamax wars was happening. The rental market and Sonys stubbornness to distribute its license to have other manufactures make their own version of the beta format kill it.

 

Yes, HD DVD is not dead yet. I guess it will never.
In UK, however, or at least in my favourite store, blu-ray sells cheaper than HD DVD, and there are more choice to choose from blu-ray compared to HD DVD. A few months ago, it was like the opposite (BD price was higher with less choice).

Long live Blu-ray!!

 

I must say it is looking increasingly bad for HD-DVD on the rental front but does anybody know how much rental at the moment is affecting the market penetration of either format?

 

Blu Ray is awesome.... With Dell, Phillips, Samsung and Sony behind it.. it is a winner.... Lets just drop this HD DVD thing already...

Also, just the name BLU RAY.. its something new and better and cooler.. HD DVD still has the letters DVD in it... from a a marketing standpoint, its just DVD

 

LOL blu ray just doesnt sound like optical media. hell they couldnt even spell blue right they forgot the e

and ray? so what part of blue ray tells u about what it actually is? its like them dumb marketers calling stuff super or turbo, come one ppl we all know theres nothing super nor turbo about it. its all marketing, so lets all shout death to poo ray!

 

And that kind of thing works.... Look at the new BUZZ words for EVERYTHING these days... Instead of words like COMPLETE we now use 360 (Norton 360... Yahoo 360, etc)...

There is always some marketing thing...

Blu Ray sounds cool.. BLU is cooler than BLUE.....