4820T vs 4820TG

the 5820TG isn't coming to the USA

only the 4820 model will have a TG option

july 30th is when it ends... so basically a full month left

 

what do you think is the more efficient/economical route and will give me more back for my buck?

get the i3 version @ $100 less and upgrade to the newer i5 560/580 later this year/early next year

or get the i5 450 and just stick with that?

most intensive thing i will do with this laptop is game on it... diablo 3... starcraft 2... modern warfare black ops etc..

 

The Core i3 is plenty fast for most tasks (gaming, some video editing, etc). The only important thing missing is Turbo Boost and probably a few minor things. It still has the integrated Intel GMA and runs 4 threads.

 

I don't think you will be able to use the new refreshed Core-I CPU's with the current bios. You'll have to wait until Acer starts to use them before there will be an updated bios.

For gaming, the I5-450 looks really good. IMO, It will outperform the GPU. Anything beyond that is surplus power (did I really say that?). I would expect to see the I3/4820TG everywhere soon. As long as it is available, I would be in no rush and wait to see what develops with the I5. That will give you some time to see if the I3 buyers are having any problems. Who knows, maybe we'll see the Il Diavolo here in the US?

If I bought the I3-350, I would be tempted to put an I5-540M or I7-620M in there. A 520M at least. But, thats me ... I like to tinker.

Bronsky

 

Im begining to think he might be the MC employee!

I feel bad for all those people walking in there asking questions to their employees. Ive heard them tell customers some pretty crazy stuff just to make a sale!

 

Haha. No, I'm not an employee for that store. I have both a Core i5 and Core i3 laptop. That is why I am able to compare them both.

 

Ok, I'm extremely upset. Each time there's some glimmer on the horizon
it get's smashed. Why offer a laptop with a premium graphics card (5650)
and then give it a low end CPU (Core i3)? For me, this will also replace
a desktop, so it's got to be fast, at a minimum Core i5.

Ideally > 520m so it has AES support for encrypted volumes.

Replacing the CPU I would assume voids the warranty, and as the guy
said, it may not have BIOS support, so unless you feel comfortable hacking
the BIOS, no joy.

So the only 14 inch laptop with a high eng graphics card and > 520m
available in the US directly is the Envy 14, and it has the distinction of
the magical 9.5mm slot loading port for which there exists no blu ray
drive in the world at any price. (I don't want to have to lug an external one.)

Oh yes, the Y460 lenovo, but I'm scared of temperatures on that one.

Sigh.

 

Really????

LX.PTN02.161 AS5820TG-6468-US W7HP64/CI7-620/4G/500/6L

LX.PTP02.125 AS5820TG-3353-US W7HP64/I5450/4G/500/BT

LX.PTP02.166 AS5820TG-5612 W7HP64/I3350M/4G/50GB0/6L2.2

 

You beat me to it! I remembered that I had see the 5820TG with the I7-620M as the only I7 coming to the US in the near term. I don't remember the other 15.6" 2 TG's though. It is the shame that the 5820TG is just too big and heavy for my needs. It will be interesting to see how the cooling system handles the heat of the I7.

Is there any such thing as a shop manual for the 3820TG that can be purchased? In the car world, there are service manuals and then there are shop manuals that are actually used by the factory mechanics. The shop manuals usually have every varient and detailed schematics. In particular, I am looking for a complete schematic of the motherboard in the 3820TG. Anything like that?

Bronsky

 

Wow..that 4820TG is really tempting me. There is two in stock near where I live. I actually ended up buying a desktop with i5 750 quad instead of Envy 14 yesterday, so I'm back in the "waiting for Acer TimelineX game" now.

The differences between i3 350M and i5 430M seems to be turbo boost going up to 2.53 GHz, and integrated graphics running at 667 instead of 766 MHz (who cares, you have 5650). I'm sure 5650 will become bottleneck first before i3 350M does.

The one I really want is i5 450M

 

AcerInsider:

Any new info on 3820TGs hitting the states?

Is it safe to assume they won't be, either for a long while or never?

 

It's not looking very good. Bronsky was supposed to send off an email for more info... not sure if he did or if he got a reply???

 

I couldn't take it anymore and had sign up to post. I haven't purchased my own computer since Windows 95 came out as I've always used school stuff (I miss the old iBook G4s) or work stuff which has been a combination of Mac, Lenovo and HP. My current computer is a HP Compaq 6910p with x86 family 6 model 15 stepping 11 processor.

I'm really intrigued by the 4820TG but up in the air on the i3. I won't be doing any gaming but will be doing video editing of HD vids from my GoPro. Also would be using with Microsoft Office and I consider myself a heavy internet user.

I'm thinking the i3 would be fine but up in the air when I see the 5820T with i5 but doesn't have the ATI graphics. Is there a big difference between the Intel and ATI graphics?

I've thought about the just going with a Mac BookPro or Envy 14 but would like to get an Acer.

Thanks and hope my post didn't violate forum rules.

 

Difference between i3 350M and 430M isn't much (2.26 GHz vs 2.53 turbo boosted both cores) but if you are talking about 450M then it becomes more significant as 450M can push both up to 2.66 GHz.

If you think you will use your GPU at all then 5650 will just blow the doors off intel "HD" graphics. If you don't game however, probably unnecessary, in which case I'd just go for 3820T with i5.

 

Didn't even know there were any!

If you're interested in the 5820TG you might be in luck. It looks to be the one model that will be coming with some decent specs. There will be an I7-620M version, an I5-450M version and an I3-350M version. The I3-350M version of the 4820TG is already on some local shelves and should be showing up on-line soon. The I5-450M 4820TG can't be far behind.

If you're video editing, the HD5650 will make your life a lot easier. I would not go for the integrated GPU "T" model. That leaves the 5820TG and the 4820TG. The real question is when do you need a new computer? If you can wait a few weeks, you will probably have your pick of models. If not, it looks like the I3-350M is the only option.

Bronsky

 

I'm trying to balance the want and the need especially being Store M is 2 miles from my house with 8 4820TGs in stock.

Thanks for the info. I don't need it yet but being a holiday weekend I might need a new toy to play with.

 

Emails went out. I sent one to dir of marketing and director of US marketing. I'll let you know if I get anything other than a form reply.

Bronsky

@Dtown - If I did't have an 3820TG coming in the mail, I would so be there. I was just telling my secretary and partner that the 3820TG is not a toy, its a new tool.

 

As soon as you get your 3820 bronsk, i'm ordering mine. This wait is killing me.

 

It's a disease.

Bronsky

 

Only if the application is able to use the GPU for computations. AMD GPUs must then be explicitely supported.
Otherwise, only the CPU is used, and then the IGP is good enough.

Michael

 

Hi all,

I've been eyeballing the 4820TG for a while now (along with asus n82jv, envy 14, and sony z series). Now that the 4820tg is finally showing up in stores I popped in to the local MC and checked one out in the flesh... er, magnesium or somethin.

Overall I think the reviews for the laptop have been reliable. The keyboard is a little sketchy, but for about 800 bucks and the hardware you get it's certainly not a deal breaker.

One thing of concern though: I asked one of the sales people when they expected the i5 versions to show up. I was told that the i5's were having issues, something about leaking dyes. He went on to say that Intel would never fess up to something like that but to not expect an i5 model for sometime, so i3 and i7 are all that we should expect in the near future. I googled for more info, but nothing. Anyone know about this? Anyone with an i5 experiencing pre-mature poop-out of ur comp? Thanks guys.

 

Went to my MicroCenter as well. Unfortunately they didn't have it on display but from just holding the box I think I will be satisfied with the weight/footprint vs the 3820TG.

I asked the salesman about the i5 versions as well and he said they aren't privy to any information on upcoming releases. Didn't mention anything about a problem with the i5 versions. Basically they were just clueless.

 

did you get a 4820tg?!?!?

 

Here is the photo album of my 4820TG. I might as well make you guys drool over this. haha. =P
Acer Aspire TimelineX 4820TG laptop | Facebook

 

everyone already knows where to get one why would bronsky PM you directly?

 

This was before it was posted on this forum...

 

Stuffed animal on your bed?

 

LOL... gotcha! sorry to have ruined their "marketing" strategy...

 

haha. It's a giant stuffed puppy that was given to me by one of my ex's. These photos were taken in my gameroom by the way.

 

at the very least im waiting for the i3 version to pop up on tigerdirect so i can get it tax-free

i am still comtemplating i3 350 vs i5 450... will prob be $100 more... is the cost justified... hmm

 

aylafan:

how's ur i3 holding up? what do u use ur laptop for? any regret you didn't go for the i5?

 

The Core i3 seems a little bit faster than my desktop Core2Duo E6600. It's good enough for me.

I use it for school and playing FPS games like Counter-Strike: Source. I'm quite happy with it. Battery lasts around 6 hours on the Intel GMA with 30 percent brightness & Wi-fi turned on. It does get a little warm while playing games. I get around mid 60C on both the Core i3 & ATI HD 5650 after playing games for a couple of hours. The harddrive always stays cool around 30-40C. Also, the laptop stays cool when I am just surfing the Internet. The keyboard is fine, it has a little flex, but not enough to annoy me when I type essays. The screen has great clarity with photos, but it has bad viewing angles like the Asus UL models (black turns to gray with vertical viewing).

I have no regrets.

 

Glad to see a positive review about 4820TG.

This is 4820TG correct? Do you think if I buy a good laptop cooler (NOT pad) with two fans blowing under it, I would be able to use this laptop to power my TV for extended time, like watching movies for 4 hours or something. (and play games ) I heard heat is a serious problem with 4820TG, but most of laptops with this kind of hardware including Y460 and Sony CW/E series seem to have sharing this problem.

I think i3 350M would be fine for what most of us really do. I also think it would run a little cooler than i5's under turbo boost. I wish it came with i3 370M but these just came out so I don't fault Acer for that yet.

The biggest reason why TimelineX is a winner for me is obviously price vs performance but battery life is just flat out amazing with 6 cell battery.. Even M11x R2 won't be able to match 6 hours, and the i7 ULV OC'ed / TB'ed would be running same clock as i3 350M in SINGLE core only.

Personally I don't think $100 extra for i5 is worth it, especially since I also have i5 750 quad OC'ed running as a desktop, so I can do all my serious stuff there.

 

Here is the temperature of the 4820TG after playing Counter-Strike: Source for an hour.

 

Thanks for the info.

Have you tried running BFBC2 / Crysis or some more recent games that really tax the hardware? I love CS:S and all but I also like to play newer games

 

I have Dragon Age: Origins. Would that be a good test? I can test the game later when I get home. I don't have BFBC2 or Crysis.

 

Are there game benchmarks?

 

It should be similar to all the HD 5650 benchmarks on this forum.

 

I'm sure 4820TG will score near 7,000 no problem but my issue would be heat after playing those games.

If you don't have those recent games, try running Win Prime 95 to tax the crap out of the i3 and see how far the temp goes up.

As far as graphics go, you can get 3Dmark06 for free and see how hot it gets while you run the benchmark.

 

Can't you source a spare bottom plate that covers the underside of the laptop then drill a bunch of holes in it? I've been getting weird ideas lately...

 

Here is the temperature of the 4820TG.

Ran Prime95 with torture settings (In-place large FFTs (maximum heat, power consumption, some RAM tested) with 4 threads) for about 15 minutes to stress the Core i3.

Ran the entire 3DMark06 benchmark to stress the HD 5650.

Check the maximum temperature values.

 

Thanks a lot for the information! +REP

80C / 70C isn't too bad - GPU seems to be running hotter than 3820TG by around 10C or so?

EDIT - that i3 350M max power usage is 25W, so it is 10 less than 35W TDP spec. This definitely shows that you cant assume all the processors in Arrandale line up will use up same amount of power. I wonder how this compares to i5's.

 

Let's not start comparing apples to oranges. The temps for the 3820TG were from a full burntest, more powerful CPUs and with higher ambient temps.

Bronsky

 

But, still glad to see temps like this in the 4830TG. It's a good sign.

 

It's because I am using the HD 5650 and not the Intel GMA. That is why it is only 25W max in the screenshot. The Intel GMA is turned off on the Core i3.

 

Very true. Usually real world usage wouldn't be as taxing as burntest, but then 3820TG would have even lower temps with this type of short duration testing.

At this point, I'm trying to gauge if 4820TG wouldn't over heat under normal usage or not.

 

Normal usage like me playing Counter-Strike: Source for a few hours and surfing the internet? Then the answer is no, it would not overheat. haha

 

I think those temps look good. Given the fact that the 4820 is the only TG available for now, I think we're going to know a lot about this unit.

 

Does anybody use Adobie 9 standard? I need to know if there is a compression feature in the program or if I need to use Windows to compress the file before sending it. Sry for the off topic.

Bronsky

 

I'm desperately hoping that 3820TG would also make it to this side of the pond but if not, 4820TG is the best of the rest so I need to research this as much as 3820TG. You know I will be up to my head with jealousy when your 3820TG arrives