6930G upgrades

Hi Everyone..

New here, but I've been reading threads and posts about upgrading this machine for 2 days straight.

I have a 6930G. It has a P8600, 4gb of ddr-667 ram and a WXGA display.

I am going to install a SSD as a main drive and use my current 7200rpm 320gb drive in the second drive bay. I found the bracket, but not the cover yet. I think I will try to mod the cover to make it fit before spending the $$ on the correct one. The only places that seem to have the cover are in Europe.

I want to upgrade the display to WUXGA. I read the threads and I think I have found a source for the correct 50.ASR07.002 cable. We'll see if I can actually get it.

In addition, I am pondering CPU upgrades. I have read that T9900, X9100 work fine. But I am really lusting after a Q9100 or Q9200. Unfortunately all I can really find there are ES examples.. But... maybe...

I have read one post where someone claims to be running a Q9000 processor and I've read several others were people have not had success.

From all of the reading I have done - intel's site, etc, the 6930G has the correct chipset, SB and socket to run this processor and it's listed as compatible according to Intel. So what is the issue running the Q series of processors?

If all that fails and there is no way to run the Q series, then my next best alternative is the X9100. The issue for me there is that the links for the modified BIOS no longer seem to work. So does someone have or can upload the modified BIOS so that I could overclock the X9100?

My machine came equipped with the VG.9PG06.003 9600M GS video card with 512MB DDR2 memory. I have no plans to upgrade this card since I don't play games with my machine and it plays videos just fine.

However, if I could find the optional blu-ray drive somewhat cheap then I might spring for that.

Any suggestions - especially regarding the Q series of processors?

Thanks,
Michael

 

No info out there? Anyone?

 

why do you want to replace the processor if you do not play?
no need to modify the BIOS, just use ThrottleStop.exe
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...unlock-core-2-extreme-multiplier-windows.html

 

I do lots of DVD encoding. It's processor and hard drive intensive.

In any event, if a Qxxxx processor won't work, then I will go for a T9900 if I can find one for a good price.

Thanks for that link.

Michael

 

go for the x9100 with E0 Stepping.

its 3ghz and just overclock it to 3.4 cause its an extreme one

 

I thought about that, but I am slightly concerned about heat dissipation.

The T9900 has a TDP of 35w, while the X9100 has a TDP of 44w and sure to go higher with an overclock.

I'm also slightly worried about battery life, but if that's really an issue I could underclock the cpu too.

I wish I knew someone with a Q series processor so I could try it.

 

I will try QX9300 but for now the price is too high

 

the x9100 can be undervolted for less heat and if you find the Model with E0 steppings it runs even cooler.

 

I wish it was now, since my laptop is all apart and I'm ready to order.

Michael

 

Definitely search for X9100 E0, it runs MUCH cooler! Compared to my X9000 (C0, same as X9100 C0) it's like a P-series CPU

Here is comparison.

 

can you post the img comparision some reason im getting the image as a 80kb thumbnail and cant view it :<

 

Unfortunately I can't find any E0 stepping processors for a reasonable price. I found a C0 but you say those run too hot..

What about a E8435 SLGEA E0? That one lists a TDP of 44w and it very similar to the T9900.

Michael

 

Core2 Extreme Mobile X9100 3.06G 6M QHBQ EO TOP NEW FORE M-45Chipset FSATEST 0735858203050 | eBay


thee8435 is a hot running cpu even in the 18inch 8930g series

 

Thanks for the link. I saw that one, but I am also trying to stay away from ES processors if possible.

 

The "BaD" E8435 is the SLAQD, the good one is the SLGEA.

Hard to find actually.

 

you can get OEM x9100's on ebay for same price as the E0

But the E0 was only ever an ES cpu, finally got mine installed other day dunno if it actually does but cpu is reporting running at 15c adn 18c on cores while sometimes its reported running at 26c

 

Well I popped for a QX9300. We'll see if it works. If not, then I guess I'm returning it and going for either the X9100, E8435 SLGEA or the T9900

Michael

 

hello
I have a strange problem with the temperature X9100
I have two HDD and installed two systems

On the first win7 32:
100% throttle fan
Idle 25-30°C, max 85°C (in the game, BF3) ThrottleStop- VID:1,25|FID 12,5 or VID:1,31|FID:13,5(3.6MHz)

On the second win7 64 (New 720GB HDD):
100% throttle fan
Idle 50-55°C, 95-101°C max (in the game, BF3) ThrottleStop VID:1,25|FID 12,5

290:53 card drivers,GPU max 75°C in both cases
Please, any advice

 

which system is running at 50-55c mine says its idling at 23c but im using a big laptop with better airflow.

 

Well, I got the QX9300 today and tried it out.......

*drum roll*

No joy.. System will not post.

Of course, it could be a bad processor but I doubt it. More likely it's simply a BIOS issue since the motherboard does have the correct chipset to support this processor. Although if it did post the heatsink would need a little bit of modification to work properly but I had a plan for that.

In any case, I can say definitively that the QX9300 will not work in the 6930G - at least not in my system.

So I am on the hunt for T9900, X9100 or E8435 SLGEA.

Michael

 

Does the lap actually *feel* hotter when you boot to x64? I would suspect a difference in the way the temp is being read between the 2 operating systems. I can't see how an identical set up other than x86 and x64 would cause that large of a temperature difference.

Michael

 

ThrottleStop- VID:1,25|FID 12,5 3325.0 MHz | 100% throttle fan
TS Bench 1024M - High Scores
win7 32 (320GB) -1029.431 | win7 64 (720GB) -1032.03
HWiNFO 32 (4.0) | HWiNFO 64 (4.0)
Core 0 75°C | 95°C
Core 1 73°C | 93°C
Core Max 75°C | 95°C
(32)stable | (64)increase all the time
ThrottleStop 4.10
Max:76°C | 96°C
74°C | 94°C
HDD - 49°C
Power Adaptor 120w

 

Monitoring programs read temperature data directly from a register in the CPU so it shouldn't make any difference what operating system you are using.

In theory, 64 bit code should be able to utilize more of the CPU so I am not surprised that it heats the CPU up more but that big of a temperature difference is hard to believe. Are you absolutely sure that your 64 bit installation has the same amount of background junk running on it as your 32 bit installation?

There can be a lot of background activity going on just after a new Windows installation. Can you post a pic of RealTemp and the Task Manager graph while your 32 bit system is idle and then do the same when running Win 7 x64.

RealTemp 3.70
Download Real Temp 3.70 | techPowerUp

If those show the same load then are you sure your fan is running at the exact same speed in both OS versions? Given the change in your reported idle temps, I would suspect that is the problem. See if you can find some monitoring software that reports the fan speed correctly. Maybe SpeedFan.

 

I use this and I am sure that it works because I just heard high rpms

System 64 is fresh on the new HDD 720 GB/7200RPM 16MB(MHDD tests). three partitions: 1 - 76GB system, 2-game 122GB, 3 - other 500GB. paging file set to a permanent 4GB

System 32 (320GB) is old and he should do the problems.
I do not believe that it is by HDD.
Soon I will install 32 and then I'll know what's going on

 

First, thanks for your help unclewebb
I did some tests with no fan and CPU acceleration:
I turned on the programs > I waited 5 minutes > restart sensor > I started TS Bench > End > five minutes waiting > I take a picture
Looks like the 32 bit system is not telling the truth
In both cases, the fan speed up when RealTemp showed 96 C, but in 32 bit TC and HWiNFO showed 75/76C
If this is true that when I played the game, I had 99/103 C, which is absolute limit!
after activating the fan, temperature stable:
32bit:
TS&HW-67/66C
RealTemp-88/86C
64bit:
TS&HW-76/75C
RealTemp-90/88C

RealTemp shows 2/4C degrees difference between the systems.

 

When testing you are using two different versions of ThrottleStop and in both tests, neither version is turned on. Your testing is not consistent.

Can you post a screen shot of ThrottleStop 4.00 and RealTemp 3.70 while your CPU is fully loaded? Both programs should be reporting pretty much the same temperatures no matter what operating system you are using.

You also need to post a ThrottleStop Log File during each full load test. Your CPU might be throttling during testing. Many Acer laptops have throttling problems at full load.

 

OK. I did some tests on 32 bit.
In test 2, 3 and 4, I used a program to control fan(option-MAX).
New version TS, now works correctly.Unfortunately HWiNFO sucks!!!

Test 4 - Distance to TJ Max= 2C OMG!!! I'm not expert but my CPU will not live long in this configuration, by the way FID was very unstable.I used VID = 1.31 V because lower values ​​may cause BSOD.
I no longer uses 64 bit because the tests 3DMark Vantage and 3DMark06 showed slightly smaller performance which was a disappointment.cheerio

 

Logs ThrottleStop

 

It looks like HWiNFO is using the wrong TJ Max value for your X9100. Intel says this value is 105C. It looks like HWiNFO is using 85C. When software does this, core temperatures will be reported 20C lower than the actual core temperature. Most software lets the user adjust this with an INI setting. RealTemp and ThrottleStop appear to be using the correct 105C value.

Intel® Core

I will have a look at your data when I have some more time. Thanks for the detailed logs and screen shots.

I would trust ThrottleStop for recording the maximum core temperature compared to any other software. It operates at a higher priority level which gives it timely info from the core temperature sensors. You can also increase the sensor reading frequency with the More Data option. No other monitoring app that I know about compares to that.

Edit: ThrottleStop also uses the Intel approved method to calculate the average CPU multiplier. Most monitoring software does not use this method. When a CPU is lightly loaded, you may notice some big differences in the MHz. You can trust the MHz data that ThrottleStop is showing you.

That quote is from Martin, the programmer of HWiNFO. If you set TJ Max correctly in HWiNFO to the Intel specified value, your temperatures will be much more accurate. It's a good program but Intel created a lot of confusion by not properly releasing TJ Max data for all CPUs. Intel finally corrected this problem when they released the first Core i processors by writing TJ Max information directly to each core of each CPU. Monitoring software needs this value to determine the correct temperature from Intel's core temperature sensors.

The thermal shutdown temperature for your CPU is 130C. These CPUs are designed to start to throttle at 105C and that helps maintain the temperature just a hair or two under 105C. It's only if the heatsink falls off and the CPU temperature is out of control that it will hit the official thermal shutdown temperature and turn itself off. Many laptop manufacturers decided that 130C was too high so they have set a much lower thermal shutdown temperature in the bios. Intel CPUs do a great job of looking after themselves so there was no need to do this.



When RealTemp shows the word LOG in the Thermal Status area, that means PROCHOT was activated at least once since you booted up. When RealTemp shows HOT, that means that thermal throttling is in progress.

Edit: Your log file, 2012-07-24-Test 4.txt, is an excellent example of why more people should be using ThrottleStop when logging their CPU. It shows exactly when thermal throttling starts and how much it is decreasing performance. Intel designs their CPUs to rapidly throttle so the CPU is still able to run as fast as possible without going over the thermal throttling temperature. The average multiplier displayed by ThrottleStop shows exactly how much performance is being lost due to thermal throttling. The multiplier gradually drops from 13.50 down to 13.00 and then as soon as the CPU load decreases, the core temperature decreases and the CPU is immediately allowed to go back up to full speed. The multiplier stays at a steady 13.50 until the benchmark completes. For normal use, you will probably have no problem using the 13.50 multiplier. You can also set up a ThrottleStop Alarm to reduce the multiplier to 12.50 when the core temperature gets over 90C or whatever temperature worries you. For a test I once ran my E8400 for 3 hours with the heatsink fan turned off while running Prime95. It ran flawlessly while bouncing off the thermal throttle temperature for the entire 3 hours. Intel makes some great CPUs.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/276/hote8400fw5.png

 

130C is good news. I will only add that when I did the test, the weather was hot.

 

I decided to modify the cooling, pictures describe what I did. This is a prototype .
differences:
Test3-91/89C and now 70/69C
Test4-103/101C and now 80/79C TS Bench 1024 High Scores 985.694 and now 961.110

The weather was nice without the hot air, about 15C. Now I'm ready for hot weather .

Can you believe

 

I have a banal question, you have the latest bios? This is important when connecting Q or X9100

 

Yes, I have the newest bios installed.

Michael

 

Well, I got all my parts and got my machine back together tonight..

Here's what I found out:

1: As I stated before, QX9300 will NOT work with stock 6930G BIOS
2: The T9800 processor I picked up works just fine
3: The WXGA (1366x768) display CAN be upgraded to WUXGA (1920x1080) but you MUST use WUXGA cable part number 50.ASR07.002.
4: Even though Acer says that 4GB is the maximum RAM this is not true. The machine runs 8GB just fine.

I wanted to post that because when I was doing research to find out if I could upgrade the display there were no definitive answers as to whether the cable would have to be replaced and if so what cable would have to be used. The 6930/6930G service manual does not list the correct cable either. So for future google searches, it is *confirmed* that 50.ASR07.002 cable is the *correct* cable to use with 1920x1080 display.

Also interesting is that even though the T9800 is a 35W TDP processor and the P8600 is a 25W TDP processor my system actually runs cooler now than it did before. I am 99% sure this is because the stock heat tape for the processor and nvidia video card had broken down and was not transferring heat very well. I used Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal grease when I put it back together. The stuff seems to work very well.

I wish the qx9300 had worked but I guess I'll take what I can get. The cost difference between the Qx9300 and the T9800 paid for the shiny new Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240gb SSD drive I installed. Plus I got the 2nd hard drive caddy and cover to I installed my old 320gb 7200 RPM drive in the 2nd drive bay.

Overall I am pretty happy. I think the upgrades to this machine have extended it's life at least another 2-3 years. Well worth it.

Michael

 

Hi all i have just got an acer 6930G Running on T5800 Processor windows 7 x 64 bit and 4 Gig of ram, Now after reading on here what can i do to upgrade this pc.

I also read about the 2HDD compartment and my external hdd does fit into the slot i have taken it out again as i don't know what to do regarding getting it working can i install a 2nd os on this so then i will have something like a duel boot???

Your advice would be much appreciated
Regards

 

As far as CPU goes, you can run all the way up to a T9900 processor although I picked a T9800 because it was $100 cheaper and only 130 Mhz faster. There are also other options - E series MAC processors, etc, but over all I think the T series is the best choice since they offer more processor features and lower heat generation than the E series.

If your motherboard has the SATA connector for the 2nd drive already included on the board, then you are all set for a 2nd drive. All you have to do is order the hard drive caddy and the cover. I found the cover in sweden from Acer Spare Parts for a reasonable price and it only took a couple of weeks to get. The caddy I bought from a place back east - I can't remember the name - for $9.99. You'll also need some screws, but I had some extras from parts laptops.

Search the forum for the cover and caddy part numbers and go from there.

Hope that helps,
Michael

 

Thanks , will this be ok to fit
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 2.4 GHz Processor 3M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB SLGFD

also Nvidea Ge Force 9600M GT 1024MB MXM II

Will they make a big difference also do i need to flash the Bio's ???

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/acer/402416-cpu-gpu-upgrade-acer-aspire-6930g.html
Mobile Intel® PM45 Express Chipset with 82801IBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH9M) each of the socket P(P8600 is OK)., Q are not confirmed.
2HDD- change the boot order in bios.
Remember that more video memory makes a smaller impact on GPU performance than faster video memory.

 

Hi thanks what do you mean regarding the video memory ? is the Nvidea GeForse 9600M GT 1024MB MXM II not a good upgrade ?

Also looking at this one ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 MXM II 256MB DDR3 Graphics VGA video Card Acer

Also can i just fit this card and the pc will find the drivers for it ??

Sorry for the Q's but i'm a newbie at this

 

Q>Quad Processor . 512MB DDR3 is better than 1024MB DDR2 if the video card comes from the Acer should not be problems with drivers, if not use this method

You can also use laptopvideo2go.com
but I don't recommend, better to make yourself.

 

Hi is it advisable to buy this card from china price is £66.60 sold as new/other
Nvidia MXM II Graphics Card GeForce 9600M GT 9600MGT DDR3 512MB For Acer 7720G

Or one of these from uk for £99.00 sold as Brand New/Unopened

NEW Acer Nvidia GeForce 9600M GT 1GB DDR2 MXM II G96-630-A1 MN9650M

NEW ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 MXM II GPU Graphics Video Card DDR3 6920G £80.00

It will be going in my acer 6930G

 

I have just bought this off eBay

MXM II nVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT 512MB DDR3 for ACER | eBay

I just had a message from the seller asking if i want to buy the mounting plate??, I was under the impression that i could use the one of my old NVIDIA 9300M GS that i will be replacing for the one i just bought??

will i need to upgrade the Bios ?? I am also fitting in a

Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 2.4 GHz Processor 3M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB SLGFD | eBay

Also waiting for the 2nd HDD + 2nd cover and caddy to arrive

Thanks for the help so far

 

I think it will work without the update, but it is always recommended to have the latest(3238)
http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire 6930 6930g.pdf good luck