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    Acer 5920G, upgrade from 8600M GT to 9500M GS or 9600M GT

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by dedalos91, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. dedalos91

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    I put copper shim on gpu chip and on 4 ram chip of vga card but i am disappointed from the resaults, the same max temp...

    I test my 9600M GT and this is the results:

    Software FurMark
    Duration 10min
    max temp 91°C
    Resolution: 1280x720 (W) - AA:0 samples

    what is wrong?
     
    dedalos91, Sep 15, 2012
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    Did you use arctic silver 5 or similar? Then you need to try undervolting the card. Ati are better for performance vs heat. Should have got a hold of a HD 4650. Much better card. And works well in this laptop.

    Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
     
    Avora, Sep 16, 2012
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  3. dedalos91

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    No, not arctic silver 5 but a similar.
    Ok i will try to undervolting the card but how match volts?
    Please if you know guid me..
     
    dedalos91, Sep 16, 2012
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    Google the under volt guide. Do it to your CPU. You'd be surprised the difference made. Use Google to find the best program to change the 9500 voltages.

    Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
     
    Avora, Sep 17, 2012
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    Which part? I just suggest that the GPU needs lower voltage to reduce the temperature. However on these machines the heatsink is all one so the CPU can be undervolted as well to further help the cooling of the GPU. In my 5920g I fitted a t8100 CPU which reduced the heat. And then fitted a 4650 with a copper shim. These created a faster and yet cooler system. Just my solution, I know that it works if its done correctly.

    Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
     
    Avora, Sep 17, 2012
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    It was just a spammer. Banned and deleted.
     
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    the undervolting on my cpu is not my problem, has not resaults.
     
    dedalos91, Sep 17, 2012
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    If this is a rev. A1 9600M GT, then 91°C is considered normal, this being a rather hot card. If it's rev. C1, then there is likely a problem with your cooling.
     
    .NetRolller 3D, Sep 19, 2012
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    Yes it is a rev. A1 9600M GT vga card.
    So it is all ok about my temps (?)
    thanks
     
    dedalos91, Sep 20, 2012
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    Any results?

    I've got identical spec. to yours and deal with temperature issues with my GPU as well. My 9600M GT is also A1 and runs stable 50°C-60°C. When you run more demanding application GPU diode goes up to 100°C +

    I've got copper shim here and Silver Arctic 5 paste ordered. Is it really enough to cool down GPU? I would like to avoid mad mods. I've seen down-clocking on ATI cards only, is there way how to do it on nVidia cards as well?

    Is it wise to sell A1 and get C1 instead?

    Btw thanks for your BIOS mod which allow me to use 9600M GT :thumbsup:
     
    reaverone, Sep 29, 2012
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    Had almost the same problem on HP 8530W with Quadro FX770M 512Mb DDR3 (G96-975-A1) on standard thermal compound, IC Diamond and copper shim mod result in an avarage 5C temp lost.
    And of course it is mostly a matter of bad ventilation due to the partial fan capping by surfaces - raised up back of the laptop or cooling pad would help it out even better.))
     
    MooMilk, Sep 30, 2012
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  12. dedalos91

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    No, no resaults but i am going to use more (surface area) copper shim under gpu and ram of the 9600mt.
     
    dedalos91, Oct 2, 2012
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    Arctic Silver 5 on chipset, CPU one copper shim under GPU with paste did incredible result. I can now run more demanding application stable between 75-°C-85°C. I was well surprised.

    Still I would like to know how much less °C I would achieve with C1 revision of 9600m GT.
     
    reaverone, Oct 3, 2012
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    OK, this is the photos from my try with more more (surface area) copper shim:

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    and the resaults from test with FurMark is not so good,
    Software FurMark
    Resolution: 1280x720
    Duration 8min
    max temp is 90°C

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    the undervolting or overclocking of gpu is good idea for this problem (high temp) ?
     
    dedalos91, Oct 15, 2012
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    You've put a lot of paste there. Try to mesure the required thickness, so you don't have to stack 2 shims. Get thicker shims put a rice grain paste and move the shim left-right-up-down, until you spread it evenly, it would actually glue itself to the heatsink.
     
    triturbo, Oct 15, 2012
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    I agree with triturbo o this one- way less thermal compound.
     
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    @ downloads, @ triturbo
    thanks for answer...

    ok i will try with less paste....
    but what you mean with this "2 shims", this is bad?
    i put 1 shim (15mm*15mm*0.5mm, must use thicker? it will take larger screws) for the ram chip (x4).
    on the gpu chip 2 shims, 1 shim (15mm*15mm*0.5mm, the same with ram chip) and one biger and thinner shim (50mm*50mm*0.2mm) on gpu chip also (for greater heat transfer surface). this (the 2 shims on gpu chip) is bad idea?

    please help me .....

    and answer me also on this "the undervolting or overclocking of gpu is good idea for this problem (high temp) ?"

    @edit (after few hours...)
    Eventually i was try with far less paste (but the same shims...) and not had a better result,
    The same results (if you want see the photos of the paste on gpu and ram chip...) :(

    Software FurMark
    Resolution: 1280x720
    Duration 8min
    max temp is 89°C

    IMAGE00307.jpg
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    Please tell me your opinions...thanks in advance...
     
    dedalos91, Oct 16, 2012
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  18. triturbo

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    Yes, it is bad idea, you are loosing heat transfer this way. Try with thicker shim and let us know.

    Undervolting is good, overclocking - not.
     
    triturbo, Oct 17, 2012
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    Thanks for this thread, helps a lot!
     
    ergoon, Oct 17, 2012
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  20. dedalos91

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    thanks, do you mean with thicker from 0.5mm? about 1mm? (it will take larger screws)...
     
    dedalos91, Oct 17, 2012
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  21. triturbo

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    0,9mm, at least that's what I'm using.
     
    triturbo, Oct 17, 2012
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    dedalos91, Oct 20, 2012
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  23. triturbo

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    I don't think that 1mm would fit, so you have to get 0,8mm.
     
    triturbo, Oct 20, 2012
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    ok my friend, now i am waiting for my new copper shim...
     
    dedalos91, Oct 21, 2012
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  25. dedalos91

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    Finlay the best title for this thread, for better users searching, maybe is "Acer 5920G, upgrade VGA card from 8600M to 9500M or 9600M"
     
    dedalos91, Oct 23, 2012
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    Title changed again ;)
     
    downloads, Oct 23, 2012
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    Thanks, again. :D

    Just i try for the better...When I was looking for on Internet I would not find anything like that, I hope others will find...
     
    dedalos91, Oct 24, 2012
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    I guess it is a problem with very hight temp because the gap between cooler and gpu chip is lesser from the gap between cooler and 4 ram chips. So i have problem with the surface contact between cooler and 4 ram chips (no good contact) and as result hight temp on the ram chips (maybe and the all over vga card).

    Also at the last days i have one other but relative problem (i think), my laptop stuck (freeze) for 0,5 - 2 sec on random times and on random applications - works but very frequently (some times every few seconds...), for example when moving the cursor on the desktop...at the moment that I write this post the letters shown with a delay some times. It is a very annoying problem. It is relative with hight temp on the ram chips? The temp of gpu, hdd and cpu is normal when laptop freeze. I have no way to see the temp on ram chip (on vga card), but i think is to hight when my system stucks...i think...
    Τhe hdd led (hdd usage) light up continuously (when is the problem, i think...) and the cpu and system ram usage is normal.
    I have try format of windows, update vga driver but nothing...maybe the reason is some other...i don't know....

    I am not very sure for reasons of the problems above... :confused:

    Maybe the problem is not on vga card, i don't know....

    Thanks for all but please help me again... :(
     
    dedalos91, Oct 27, 2012
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    After several attempts and efforts with different copper shims (2 copper shim together for thicker copper shim),
    I think it will stabilize the laptop (it is too difficult, i am not sure) and that the gap between a ram chip and cooler is about 0,2mm bigger form the gap between GPU chip and cooler.....

    edit

    i have problem, the laptop is not stabilized...
     
    dedalos91, Oct 28, 2012
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    No cross-posting please. One thread is enough.
     
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  31. dedalos91

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    Ok...

    Thanks
     
    dedalos91, Dec 2, 2012
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    Finlay i have and use this "Phobya Thermal Pad XT 7W/mk 120x20 x 1,5mm" ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270919367013?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649) for (4) RAM chips and this "Copper Hearsinks&Cooling Copper Pad Shim laptop CPU Size:20mm*20mm*0.8mm" ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copper-Hearsinks-Cooling-Copper-Pad-Shim-laptop-CPU-Size-20mm-20mm-0-8mm-/170911207835?pt=Computing_ComputerComponents_Fans_Heatsinks_SR&hash=item27cb1a119b) for GPU chip.
    I will see the results better in the summer.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS
     
    dedalos91, Dec 23, 2012
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  33. dedalos91

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    10 minutes Far Cry 3 and the max GPU temp at 85 C. That is not good :mad:....(environment temp at 18-20 C).
     
    dedalos91, Jan 17, 2013
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    You're kidding me right? If you haven't touched the cooling, that's pretty good temp.
     
    triturbo, Jan 17, 2013
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    True? But what will happen in the summer with 35 40 C?

    This is my "touched" (?), (what you mean "If you haven't touched the cooling" ?) cooling system

    "Phobya Thermal Pad XT 7W/mk 120x20 x 1,5mm" for RAM chips and this "Copper Hearsinks & Cooling Copper Pad Shim laptop CPU Size:20mm*20mm*0.8mm" for GPU chip....
    plus Copper Pad Shim for CPU....
     
    dedalos91, Jan 20, 2013
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  36. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I mean that you haven't put copper blocks over the CPU or have redesigned it in some way.
     
    triturbo, Jan 20, 2013
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    ok, but Now as i tell you, I put copper as i described ? What is your view?


    PS
    Maybe the 9600M GT, 1Gb, DDR2 (c1) version is better...for this reason (high temp). what is your opinion?
     
    dedalos91, Jan 20, 2013
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  38. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I've already told you, the cooling of 5920G is POS, so 85ºC with 9600M GT are pretty good temps, copper shim alone can't do miracles :) There are more problems than this one. Yes, copper shim does cuts the temps, but then the limiting factor becomes the design of the heatsink, which is terrible and so on. You have three options: 1/ Be happy, 2/ Rebuilt the cooling and 3/ Buy a new one (laptop that is) :)
     
    triturbo, Jan 20, 2013
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    OK, thanks for answer...

    please tell me... what about that?

    "Maybe the 9600M GT, 1Gb, DDR2 (c1) version is better...for this reason (high temp). what is your opinion?"

    is that correct?
     
    dedalos91, Jan 20, 2013
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  40. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Yes, but you are loosing good amount of performance.
     
    triturbo, Jan 20, 2013
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    Hi everybody,
    i want change my 8600m gt with a 9600m gt on my aspire 5920g, but i found a problem. .NetRoller's download doesn't work and i don't know where i can find a bios mod...
    Can someone help me please?
     
    Krip, Jan 31, 2013
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    Hi, friends
    I have apire 5920g with Nv 8600M GS Mxm and i want to replace it with the new one.Wich one is the best for my configuration..and can some one post me where and what to follow to complite this steps. I know that i have to batch Bios with the newest one...If some one can post me a guide i will be very grateful.
    Thanks!
     
    tikotrakata, Jan 31, 2013
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    I have Aspire 5920g with GPU Nvidia 8600M GT and has failed. I would like to buy HD 3650 DDR3 256MB MXM II or 9500M 512 mb ? So what do you think? itsa better than 8600Gt 512mb ? will i have to upgrade anaything ? or it will work normaly ?
    Ty :)
     
    xeroxan, Feb 1, 2013
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    .NetRolller 3D please check your download link, i really need your mod >.<
     
    Krip, Feb 1, 2013
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    dedalos91, Feb 1, 2013
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    Thank you, u saved me :D
     
    Krip, Feb 1, 2013
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    :notworthy: THANKS to .NetRolller 3D :thumbsup:
     
    dedalos91, Feb 1, 2013
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    Thanks guys :D

    Now, bios flashed and driver installed, all works fine, now i'd like increase fan speed but i don't know how XD
     
    Krip, Feb 1, 2013
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    What now works 9600 Gt on 5920G ? what are temperatures and only this link dedalos share and install and work with no problem? Please help me... iam tottaly noob :/
     
    xeroxan, Feb 1, 2013
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    Please read my previous posts (like above...) about temps and (plus) you have better result with a good paste like Arctic Silver 5 and Copper Pad Shim Size:10mm*10mm*1mm for RAM chips (Instead of Phobya Thermal Pad)....
     
    dedalos91, Feb 1, 2013
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