Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810 Timeline 11.6" Thread

Serious competition for the 1810 series?

"The ASUS 1201N... marks a radical departure from other netbooks that feature single core Atom processors. With its Intel Atom 330 dual core processor, NVIDIA ION graphics, and two-DIMM, dual-channel DDR memory architecture, the 1201N has set a new netbook performance benchmark. More importantly, this combination shatters today's netbook conventions by delivering the richest netbook multimedia experience yet. Fully equipped to handle the large amounts of memory that digital media consumes... Users can enjoy a smooth HD video experience on the 12.1-inch high definition screen, or have the option of enjoying full 1080p HD video with true-fidelity 7.1 audio on HDTVs via the built-in HDMI port.

Pre-order the new 12.1" ASUS 1201N at Amazon.

Seems to be available already at NewEgg.

 

Yeah nice netbook. For anyone into gaming it beats the Acer. Other than that Acer wins.

 

I have bad experience with atom based netbooks- the processor bogs down almost immediately with the simplest tasks. The 1410 with SU2300 runs circles around it. Oh, forget running VMs on it. It's unusable. As for battery life, the ION will pretty much suck any advantage it may have on having a low power processor.

 

Atom N330 is dual core. It's pretty powerful, more powerful than the SU3500, less than the SU2300.

It's battery life is not good though.

 

I'm running VMs and a full development stack on my SU3500 w/3GB ram. No problems.

 

I updated the latest PassMark scores and included the Atom330 in the OP.

 

Culv processors are better for VMs, single or dual-

In fact, I've run VMs on older PIII laptops. That tells you something about the atom processor.

The N330 is 8W vs 10W for dual core CULV. The ION GPU unfortunately negates that advantage in terms of battery life.

 

I thought Passmark is unreliable for Windows 7 benchmarks. Has this issue been fixed?

 

I have three 330 machines and a 1410. They are really close and in some situations the 330 is faster because the software will make use of the dual cores with hyperthreading. The Nvidia Ion GPU probably uses a little more power than the GS45 but it is 3 to 4 times the GPU. If they were prices side by side I would take the 330 machine hands down. But, Intel is still pricing their own stuff really low to undercut Nvidia. We will have to see if the lawsuit filed by the FTC yesterday hits Intel hard enough to back off. Hopefully it will. I would love to see a great CULV combined with the Ion 2 setup. It would kick a$$. I too rolled my 1410 from x64 to x86 although I have 4gb of memory. The video, printer, and scanner drivers for x64 just aren't where they need to be yet. Hopefully in a year of so it will be worth the move to x64. And the loss of 1gb of memory has made no difference in performace. I just wish I could get the BIOS to allow me to force 512 or more for GPU usage.

 

As far as I know it's still the same: Vista and Windows 7 give different scores. Windows 7 scores higher.

TDP is a not an accurate measure for battery life though.

The N330 sips more power than a SU2300.

 

Are the scores consistent between 32 vs 64 bit? Der_Mali pointed out before that even the same test run on the same machine (say from one 1410 with W7 to another 1410), the scores were fluctuating.

Der_Mali, please clarify--

 

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Anybody have experience in this area?

 

I believe they are taking the average of all systems. I don't think it's been fixed, but the averages should level off at some point.

I just look at it as "rough estimation" on how these processors stack up.

 

Maybe a stupid question:
If I want to use the HDMI-out to watch videos on my 720p TV I just need to get an HDMI cable and plug it in, I don't need to configure anything on the PC?

Also, the TV needs to be turned off before I plug the HDMI cable in?

 

I am using the Logitech V450 Nano Cordless Laser Mouse for Notebooks.
It's not bluetooth though. When I plugged the tiny receiver into the usb port the drivers automatically installed. Works great.

 

Yes, just a regular HDMI cable. I plug into my Sony receiver (it has 4 HDMI's) and find I have to reboot the Aspire with the cable connected to get the image out to TV (which is connected via HDMI to the Sony). I don't necessarily turn the Sony off before I connect. My Vizio TV is 1080i/720p, the image is properly sized and a good image.

 

I got the Dell bluetooth travel mouse for $10 a few weeks ago. Its the only bluetooth mouse I've tried, but I like it a lot. It is $29.99 now at Dell.

Previously, I had been using Logitech v220 notebook mice. They work fine, but I didn't like the huge dongle. They also do not have forward/back thumb buttons like the dell does. They only use 1 AA battery, while the Dell uses 2. I have no idea how long the Dell will last, but the v220s lasted months on a single rechargeable battery.

I did not install any mouse drivers for the dell and it works fine.

jb

 

I usually use logitech laser mice that aren't bluetooth so I am not too much help. If you have to use bluetooth the Microsoft 5000 is probably your best option. But, I nearly always prefer Logitech over MS, HP, or Dell.

 

Some benchies. I have no idea why DM1 has faster graphics. I'm using the same drivers and settings.

 

HDMI sounds like too much of a pain in the if I have to reboot each time I want to connect. Is that standard, or just a quirk with the Acer?

 

You don't need to reboot. Just use the function key to toggle between displays.

Make sure you use the lastest .exe file from Intel.com (series 4 chipset driver).

 

Any good alternatives for the 1810T(Z) yet? I'm looking to buy a ultra-portable laptop after the christmas, and for some reason, I'm hesitant on buying the 1810TZ w/ SU4100.

Battery life > Portability > Perfomance

 

That all depends on what you do on your laptop. List the top five things you do in order of importance.

 

January 7th at CES Intel will launch its Arrandale processors. Then is when you might see some new 1810TZ competitors, or hopefully and upgraded 1810TZ.

 

i updated the intel graphics driver last night, to get the additional gamma range... this morning when i turned on my computer, and the os loaded, i had these weird verticle bars of "noise" across the desktop. i right clicked over the wallpaper, and clicked "refresh" and they disappeared... is this normal? is hasnt happened again yet

 

Strongly suggest getting some hands-on experience at a computer store.
Seems really important to have a mouse that fits your hand (& your personality).

A few years ago, I ordered a highly-rated Logitec mouse on Amazon.
When I opened it, it was so big and loaded with gaming buttons that I'd never use.
Worse, it was designed for right-handed use.
I'm a left-mouse type!

 

I have to launch an .exe file before I can switch displays?

 

I can connect/disconnect HDMI with my 1810T without rebooting. I use the function key to toggle.

Oops. Already answered by Phil-

No.

 

I use a logitech v470. AFAIK its the same as the v450 but bluetooth. The mouse itself is fine but the bluetooth is a bit annoying. When the notebook comes out of hybernation sometimes the mouse does not connect and I have to pair it manually. In hindsight I should have gone for the v450 as the dongle is small and 2 more usb ports should be enough.

 

Weird, I just have to plug in HDMI and it automatically switches to TV... unplug -> back to monitor

 

That's really weird. I have a US 1810TZ, SU4100, and my CPU Mark score for PasssMark is 1106.2. That's above all of those others. I have replaced my 3GB of RAM to faster 4GB of dual channel 800MHz memory. That must be the difference.

Also strangely, my numbers appear to be a bit better, across the board, than Phil's nearly identical machine. My memory change may have more benefits than in gaming, the way I'm reading it. Thoughts?

 

See below-

 

I meant install .exe file once.

1106 is way too high for a SU4100. That can not be caused by dual channel ram.

That's higher than a Core 2 Duo 1.6 Ghz.

 

Geekbench Result Browser
Acer Aspire 1410
Submitted on December 17 2009 (58 seconds ago)
Chart performance of similar systems
Summary

Section Description Score Geekbench Score
Geekbench 2.1.4 for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Integer Processor integer performance 1303 1218
Floating Point Processor floating point performance 1099
Memory Memory performance 1217
Stream Memory bandwidth performance 1343
System Information

Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Model Acer Aspire 1410 Motherboard Acer Base Board Product Name
Processor Intel Core2 Solo U3500
Processor ID GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10
Processor Frequency 1.40 GHz Processors 1
Cores 1 Threads 1
L1 Instruction Cache 32.0 KB L1 Data Cache 32.0 KB
L2 Cache 3.00 MB L3 Cache 0.00 B
Memory 1.93 GB 667 MHz FSB 800 MHz
BIOS INSYDE v1.3303
Summary
Section Description Score Geekbench Score
Geekbench 2.1.4 for Windows x86 (32-bit)
Integer Processor integer performance 1303 1218
Floating Point Processor floating point performance 1099
Memory Memory performance 1217
Stream Memory bandwidth performance 1343

How did your 1410 do?

 

Not the same systems i know but apart from the processor i have a SU9600 my laptop clocks up 1,391 in that test. This is in performance mode in the thermal control and also in high performance mode.
I would have expected those scores 1,1xx for that system in W7.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41670&d=1260102319
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41722&d=1260185934

 

Same here. Not even FN+.. is needed

 

have anyone try run windows xp? does it run faster and longer on battery?

 

Thanks for the info, guys. I'll grab an HDMI cable tomorrow..unplugging the one from my DVR is a pain.

Anyone tried out the MS Office 2010 beta on the 1810? How's the performance?

Also does it integrate with Windows Update the way 2003 and 2007 do, or no since it's a beta version?

 

Are you running 64 bit Windows? 64 bit Passmark? That might be the reason.

I ran 32 bit.

1106 is unreasonably high for an SU4100. I've several people posting 900-950 scores in High performance.

Dual channel mode should impact your 3d score more than it impacts the CPU Mark.

How is your WEI score? Can you run Wprime so we can compare?

 

Yes, I was using PassMark 64bit to match my W7 OS. I didn't even set anything to high performance (to be honest, I did not know there was even a HP mode, since the thing is only 3 days old to me), but I'll do that tonight when I get home from work. I reran the test again x3, off of fresh reboots, and got 1112, 1116, and 1117. That 1106 was with other apps open, from using the laptop for a few hrs.

FWIW, I take these tests with a large grain of salt, anyway.

 

I just ran the passmark 7 32 bit (Vista) and got 320.9
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System Summary
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Windows Vista (32-bit)
Intel Core2 Solo U3500 @ 1.40GHz
1978 MB RAM
Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
233GB HDD
PassMark Rating
MSI X340 SU3500 Intel Core2 S 315.9
This Computer 320.9

CPU Mark
MSI X340 SU3500 Intel Core2 S 499.2
This Computer 491.0

2D Graphics Mark
MSI X340 SU3500 Intel Core2 S 368.2
This Computer 210.9

3D Graphics Mark
MSI X340 SU3500 Intel Core2 S 58.6
This Computer 91.6

Memory Mark
MSI X340 SU3500 Intel Core2 S 340.8
This Computer 319.8

Disk Mark
MSI X340 SU3500 Intel Core2 S 346.5
This Computer 267.2

CD Mark

 

i GOT LIKE 475 ON PASSMARK 64BIT WINDOWS 7 W/u2300. Am I supposed to multiply it by 2 or something lawl. How are people getting 900.

 

The reason of the faster graphics should be the DDR3 memory in DM1 vs the DDR2 in the Acer.

 

Oh right so 64 bit can not be compared with 32 bit, Windows 7 can not be compared with Windows Vista.

That makes the whole Passmark benchmark and database pretty useless.

The reason the graphics are faster is that the HP is in symmetric dual channel mode.

DDR2 vs. DDR3 makes little difference.

You are talking about Passmark System Rating, others are talking about Passmark CPU Mark.

Looks like your hard disk is under performing. You might want to run HD Tune and post the result.

Here's my 1810T with SU3500

 

1. School stuff
2. Music
3. Older games
4. Video
5. Photoshop

 

Yup.

10chars

 

My passmark score with passmark 64, on Win 7 home prem 64, is only 444.7.
My CPU Mark is 1002.9 that seems a bit high compared to what most are getting...
Should I install passmark 32bit on my 64bit system and run that? Or would that just skew on a 64 bit system?

 

Hmm, according to passmark my CPU is running at 1071 MHz. Shouldn't it run at 1200?

 

Many programs can not read the right clockspeeds from the latest CULV CPUs.

 

Patonki,
When it comes to School Stuff (MS Office stuff I am guessing) anything will do the job, especially anything above an Atom 230. Same thing with music although Itunes can be a little of a resource hog. The thing really comes down to battery life vs video performace. The dual core ULVCs are excellent processors and will handle most CPU processes really well. However the Atom 330/Nvidia Ion combo is a far superior GPU and will handle nearly all the video offload you need with very little CPU processing. The Atom 230 Ions are just too slow for your 1 & 2 priorities, but the Atom 330 Ions will do it no problem. I would say that if you are going to watch 720p-1080p often go with the Asus 1201n and if you are going to usually watch standard video go with a 1401 with the dual core SU chip or the 1801 with the dual core. I have a Atom 230 Ion, two Atom 330 Ions, and a 1410 single core. And that is my experience. And if games are very important (at least games where frame rate matters) you have to go with the Atom 330 Ion. The best option would be a dual core ULVC with an Ion 2 chipset but you may be waiting 12 months plus for that option. And then what will the price be? I am guessing that photoshop will utilize the 330 with hyperthreading about the same as a ULVC dual core so that really should be a deciding factor.