Acer MXM Models and Cards

Its MXM 2.1 type III. The roman numeral is pretty much what differentiates them on this forum.

 

For those interested in mxm 2.1 II 4670 cards behold :

http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11090922513756

4670 mxm 2.1 II 1GB DDR3 card it appears!! Circa $180

 

Bingo - if it was an MXM 3.0 card, I'd have said it was an MXM-A or MXM-B card. I rarely ever refer to the specification.
(quick reference: roman numerals or letters = type, numbers = specification)

 

I am finding too difficult to figure the buy link or contact seller for off the site transaction. Maybe we need to register ?

 

Hi, some guy here in Turkey wants to trade an Ati 3650 512mb ddr2 m86 qimonda from toshiba a300-25v to trade my Acer 5920g 's 8600mgt 256mb ddr2. Will it fit and which bios will i need? Thanks.

 

Never heard of Toshibas using MXM. I'd be wary.

 

Second on that.

 

I have not reached your level of understanding. Still a noob here !

 

No worries, it'll come with time.

 

Sorry about the late show-up back here--I was out on vacation lol.

Hm. I haven't gotten to upgrading my Extensa with the 9600M GT yet, but I remember seeing an Extensa configured with the card..I'm just not sure if it's the 4630G (mine) or the larger ones. I think I saw that on eBay, with one of the 9600M GT sellers specifying the successful upgrades his cards got into.

 

so theres possible light at the end of the tunnel. well when i get to having the cash i shall give it a go and let people know, i'm sure someone with an extensa could make use of the info

 

Pardon the bump, but after locating the service guide for the 5738G, I can confirm that it does NOT have an MXM card slot.
Odd for Acer to do this, but the machine has the GPU embedded on the motherboard.

EDIT: Also, MXM-Upgrade.com has announced that they will have ATi Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 MXM-II cards coming in March for 200€. Something to consider for anyone still wrestling with IPC Computer and the like.

 

if these are DDR2 (not 3 or GDDR) will they be faily slow? we have decided before that the 1GB (ie more than 256MB) will not help gaming speedwise.

 

That's true, but at least it's clocked at 500 MHz instead of 400 or something.
And plus, it's got 320 shaders as opposed to the 120 of the Radeon HD 3650 - that counts for something.

 

Plus most seem to reach 600mhz memory clock, thats starting to get close to the 800mhz that GDDR3 tends to start at.

 

Woe is me then... no MXM upgrade for me, stuck with G105M

 

What 3Dmark06 score do you get at those clocks? 6000?

 

Pretty much bang on.

Gets around a 2500 GPU score in vantage.

 

Hm, so after months of waiting, mxm-upgrade will sell ati's for MORE money that ipc-computers does now, while this technology is getting more and more ridiculously old compared to the new ati 5 and nvidia 300 series. I see litle logic here, if they wait to long with their price drop i'll just get a new asus g73 with those new alienware/jet heat exhausts. And spend the 200 euros which the ati would cost on a higher cpu.
Even the price of a simple ram 'bar' went up by 50 percent. The continious high (or even rising) prices for old technology make me doubt if there is any sense at all in the current market.

 

Really can't see the point in getting a HD4650 thats bottlenecked by DDR2 memory, doubt its even GDDR...

Plenty of 9600m GT's with GDDR3 floating around on ebay right now.

 

It uses less power and in modern titles it does better even with the lower bandwidth.

 

Actually its tarts from 667mhz hp dv6's 4650 gddr3 standart clocks are 550Mhz gpu/667Mhz Gddr3. But i still think ddr2 4650 is better card than any 9600gt, including ddr3 type.

 

GDDR3 tends to start at 800mhz.

DDR3 does not equal GDDR3.

 

At stock clocks, 4650 DDR2 to my understanding performs same as the stock 9600m GT GDDR3 and consumes less power.
Stock 4650 GDDR3 is about 20% faster (or perhaps 25%) compared to the stock 9600m GT GDDR3 or essentially identical to 9700M GT GDDR3 (the 128bit one, not the one on 256bit).

Since 9700m GT GDDR3 is an overclocked 9600m GT GDDR3, I simply overclocked my 9600m GT to higher clocks and got the same level of performance as 9700m GT GDDR3.
My temps do not go over 60 degrees under heavy load (for both cpu and gpu), so I'm fine.

Upgrading to 4650 simply doesn't pay off in my opinion ... at least not really if you already have a 9600m GT GDDR3 (lower temps and higher clock, both at the same time are achievable through undervolting the BIOS of the gpu and overclocking via Nvidia control panel).
The 4670 on the other hand (if we can get our hands on the MXM II model) would likely be a much better investment.

 

Just received a 'C1' core 9600m GT to replace the A1 I killed a month ago. See how well this puppy clocks up later tonight

The core looks alot smaller on this new one, should be intresting...

 

Well it must be Gpu-z 's mistake. Hp dv6 has 600Mhz gpu 667Mhz ddr3 1gb DDR3 4650 and GPU-Z says it has GDDR3 memory and it o.c. s well beyond 800mhz.

 

Any new news from Aspire 5940G's mxm type or A. Aspire 5740G's brand new Ati mobility hd 5650? I pray for a MXM 2.0 mobility 5650.

 

Nm1, we've been over this. If the 5935G has transitioned to MXM-A, along with the 5739G, and the 7738G, why on earth would Acer go back to the older technology for the new models?

 

I hate to be rude, but throughout the forum i'm seeing things refered to as White-Listed, meaning they don't work, are on a blocked hardware list, etc. This is actually reversed. a Whiltelist is APPROVED hardware, Blacklist is Dis-allowed hardware.

If they are Blacklisting, this can be edited out by someone bios-knowledgeable, but if things are disallowed by NOT being on the whitelist, it's next to impossable to add them without a major rewrite of the BIOS tables and checksum.

Blacklisting would be ABC computers says do NOT allow "module xyz1, xyz2" etc. and

I think the issue we're all afraid of with MXM 3.0 is Genuine WHITELISTING, where, for example, ABC computers says ONLY ABC computer-branded MXM modules can be used. and only the ones on the list as of the last BIOS update. we all know BIOS updates end 2-3 years before the useful EOL of a notebook.

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Sorry about that; I see now when you're referring to Whitelisting, it's on the MXM card's own vbios, where it lists what motherboards it WILL work with. Too bad. a blacklist would be easier to tamper with.

 

ATI doesn't build the cards. they make the Chips. the Notebook Manufacturers pick a design spec and either design it in-house or farm it out to one of the big contract houses like FoxConn or Clevo. and then they have the Contract-manufacturer make the part.

 

Hi, i'm new here.
I want upgrade my notebook graphics card but i can't find any info about compatible cards. Can someone help me?

I have Acer aspire 8730G with geforce 9600m GT 1 Gb inside.

I will be glad for any info
Thanks

 

Welcome to the forums Deathmann!
If you go back to the first page of this topic, you'd see the list of Acer's MXM-equipped notebooks, and all the cards Acer's released that we know of.
Your 8730G should be equipped with an MXM-III slot, which means you can take any MXM-I, MXM-II, or MXM-III card on that second page, BIOS permitting.

 

Thank you for the welcome

So is Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 (M96) better than my gf 9600m or what card is best for me? I am sorry but my experience is not sufficient in that area of expertise.

 

It is better than your 1GB DDR2 9600M GT.

 

Using NoteBookCheck's benchmark list is a good starting point, but shouldn't be used as gospel - they tend to fuzz the average results a little bit.

The Radeon HD 4650 DDR2 would be a step up from your GeForce 9600M GT DDR2; the inverse would be true if you had a GeForce 9600M GT GDDR3.
The key thing is that the amount of video memory has very little impact on performance - it's memory speed that makes the difference. Give me 256MB of GDDR3 over 1GB of DDR2 any day of the week.

 

However the 4650 DDR2 vs the DDR3 9600M GT is still closer than one would think due to the tech being more advanced (more shader power, more advanced GPU core) on the ATI offering. The 9600M GT, 9650M, GT130M are all based on the 8600M GT while becoming more efficient and with faster clocks.

 

As I understand it, the 9600M GT, 9650M GT, and GT 130M are all based on the same G96 core at different clocks.
However, the 8600M GT and 9500M GS use the G84 core.
Not identical, but pretty darn close.

 

So ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 is winner and now where can i buy this card..

 

It's surprisingly hard to come by at the moment - check in earlier posts in this thread for links.
MXM-Upgrade.com will be stocking them in March, if I remember correctly.

 

How about the 5739G? It comes with the 130m or 240m so I assume it's MXM-A.

 

Thank you very much

 

Already listed on the first post as MXM-A confirmed.

 

Ahhh, I see it now. That's great news! A bit off topic but what about upgrading the CPU?

 

Should be relatively easy - as long as you don't have a low- or ultralow-voltage CPU, it's socketed and can be replaced.
Just get another Core 2 Duo with a 1066 MHz FSB, and you're laughing.
Go look around on NBR-Acer, there are tons of threads about CPU upgrading.

 

Hi I got a question regarding the new Acer Aspire 5740G equipped with Ati mobility 5470 with 512 megs DDR3 ram. Does anybody have information regarding if its a mxm module card? There is also an acer 5740G with ati 5650 1 gig ram beeing sold if its any help.

Also asus is producing the new K52JR with ati mobility 5470 but with 1gig DDR3 ram. Just adding it for comparison.

Thank you for any usefull info
Cheers

 

If it's an MXM module, it's likely MXM-A. I'll update the list when there's more information available.

 

It will interesting to see if any ati 5xxx cards end up in mxm 2.1 form. Perhaps the 5470 at best but not going to keep hopes up.

 

Okay I found some pictures for the new radeon 5-series GPU.

Seems like they are all mxm 3.0

But iam still not sure if the cards in the acer or asus are mxm.

http://techpressreleases.info/2010/01/09/amd-unveils-world%e2%80%99s-first-mobile-graphics-with-microsoft%c2%ae-directx%c2%ae-11-gaming-support-for-notebook-computers/

scroll down the site and you will see them.

 

Pretty standard I guess! We will just have to wait and see. If anybody carries on the mxm 2.1 standard with the new series it will be msi such as with their 4670 DDR3 card.

 

Bumpity-bump-bump.
Any MXM-A machines out there looking for some serious performance? MXM-Upgrade's got GeForce GTS 160M 1GB GDDR3 MXM-A cards in their store.

How about 8935G, 8940G users, any of you lads out there?
Want a Radeon HD 4870 1GB GDDR3 MXM-B card? Yeah, they'll be getting those in the coming months.